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Benjamin Ciscko The Generals EoN. 182	Posted - 2013.11.10 02:38:00 - [1] - Quote My best fit tank (a little more than 1.4mil) can just barely take six proto swarms than a STD flaylock could rip me to pieces, something that costs much less than my tank both SP and ISK wise can easily kill me. AV nades just lol those things are way too over powered get the proto ones and get close to a tank and spam, don't complain that you can't kill a top tier tank w/ out damage mods using STD AV nades. You clearly have not driven tanks before because I have used AV and I know both sides off the story. I have taken out expensive tanks using only STD gear, I took an AE tanker out this way. It is really simple get a STD min logi fit 1 proxy 1 RE and a nanohive. Determine the tanks route and where he's likely to go and place 4 tight proxies and 3 RE's than lie in wait. When the tank rolls by detonate the RE's and you will do 7,500 base damage factor in armor damage and you will do upwards of 10,000 damage and say he does survive 3 AV's and 3 SL volley's will surely kill him, want to kill a tank do it right. Just because you're a scrub and we are pro's does not mean we should get nerfed Use team work don't complain you can't solo an expensive well built tank with low grade gear. Next patch LLAV's are being removed so they are literally nerfing our teamwork they haven't nerfed yours. Vehicle rework scheduled for 1.5.... 1.6.... 1.7........ Tanker/Logi Wait until AV feels the pain vehicle users have
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals EoN. 182	Posted - 2013.11.10 02:54:00 - [2] - Quote Atiim wrote: Void Echo wrote: Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: AV= too easy right now I like the proposed changes because that way we will see more vehicles on the maps. And tanks are difficult? Aside from redline AV and 2 idiots on high towers with IAFGs (who QQ about them simultaneously), tanks are quite possibly the easiest thing in the game right now. they are the hardest class to use in the game, if they were as easy as you say they are, 100% of dust would be using them you ******* idiot Infinite Ammo Near complete immunity to all but 3 infantry weapons in the entire game (REs don't count as weapons) Ability to fulfill multiple roles at the exact same time Requires an entire class to deal with. The only reason why all of DUST doesn't use them is because of how expensive they are in comparison to dropsuits. The SP sink problem is a joke, It doesn't even take that much SP to get them running complete non-militia garbage. Well that, and some people find more excitement in doing things besides driving inside a giant steel box firing infinite rounds at enemies. Which is why I can't wait for the finite ammo system to come in, I'll finally have a reason to destroy Supply Depots in Matri/Caldari FW. What good is unlimited ammo when you can't see the swarms or the swarmer let alone hit him. FG's obliterate tanks SL's obliterate tanks PLC needs a buff and it's a weapon if it can be used to kill tanks. by design Common sense/ by design, you can also use a tank of your own to kill it fulfilling multiple rolls (BTW I can waffle stomp at least five of your best fit tanks at the same time) Your complaining you can't take something out that costs more SP than you put in the counter. It doesn't take Much SP to run proto lets see IA FG 650k SP prof. V 342k ADV heavy roughly 1mil SP complex DMG mods roughly 1mil sp so for only about 3m SP you can destroy some who has invested millions more SP. Also those DMG mods will help out your HMG heavy and other suits your ADV suit will as well the mill I have in Large hybrid turrets doesn't apply any where else nor the SP in HAV command, armor adaptation, armor upgrades, repping, plates and the list goes on. Vehicle rework scheduled for 1.5.... 1.6.... 1.7........ Tanker/Logi Wait until AV feels the pain vehicle users have
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals EoN. 184	Posted - 2013.11.10 16:30:00 - [3] - Quote Atiim wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: What good is unlimited ammo when you can't see the swarms or the swarmer let alone hit him. FG's obliterate tanks SL's obliterate tanks PLC needs a buff and it's a weapon if it can be used to kill tanks. by design Common sense/ by design, you can also use a tank of your own to kill it fulfilling multiple rolls (BTW I can waffle stomp at least five of your best fit tanks at the same time) Your complaining you can't take something out that costs more SP than you put in the counter. It doesn't take Much SP to run proto lets see IA FG 650k SP prof. V 342k ADV heavy roughly 1mil SP complex DMG mods roughly 1mil sp so for only about 3m SP you can destroy some who has invested millions more SP. Also those DMG mods will help out your HMG heavy and other suits your ADV suit will as well the mill I have in Large hybrid turrets doesn't apply any where else nor the SP in HAV command, armor adaptation, armor upgrades, repping, plates and the list goes on. The invisible swarms is a glitch that can only be fixed by CCP. And it is a glitch so you can't blame the user for it. I'm not gonna fire a warning shot at you to see whether or not my swarms are invisible. You make a lot of assumptions. And yeah It takes way more than 650k to get any weapon at level 5/prof 5. try again. The Grenadier skill, the core skills it takes to even have enough CPU/PG to run the gear and have room for complex damage mods, the range amplifiers, the skill for a dropsuit itself is a decent SP sink within itself. Complaining about not being able to destroy tanks? Almost all of my corp members carry PRO AV, so not destroying a tank is something that rarely happens. I currently have around an equal amount of SP invested into AV and Tanks, and that SP was so easy to gain. (If 2 weeks could be considered easy). Won't help on anything else? I find that hilarious because my armor regeneration, transporting, shield boosters and shield transporters also work on my Limbus and soon to be dropship. All vehicles share the exact same core skills (save for a few maybe). The skills can be useful for more than one thing, it's just that many tankers only use it on one thing. prof. V was a typo I meant prof. III, I'm almost certain you could drop some armor or a secondary or a grenade to fit the DMG mod, range amplifiers you have incredible range to begin with. If your corp can easily destroy tanks why are you complaining? Vehicle rework scheduled for 1.5.... 1.6.... 1.7........ Tanker/Logi Wait until AV feels the pain vehicle users have
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals EoN. 184	Posted - 2013.11.10 18:24:00 - [4] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Woka II wrote: Traitor, you owe us tankers for some of your wins and if my gunloggi wasn't there that madruger woulda ripped your suit to shreds. And btw keep in mind swarm = LIGHT av weapon their damage should not be on par or greater than the forge gun ( forge gun = HEAVY av weapon). This is like saying a 40mm grenade launcher should deal the same destruction as a 120mm howitzer ( not literally) . Tell you what why don't you get a madruger or a gunloggi and see what happen when you have 3 guys even with standard swarms team up on you. You know why tankers are unhappy? We have to deal with dropships, enemy installations, rooftop forge gunners, enemy tanks, orbitals ( we basically have a bullseye on our tanks) and infantrymen who aren't gonna be happy until they solo a tank with militia swarm, like you said " they're tanks for heaven's sake" and a "tank" should not be crippled by a single soldier. Lets ignore that everything you listed infantry players have to worry about as well in addition to every other weapon in the game Lets ignore that there are many real world single man portable weapons capable of destroying a MBT since this is a game But lets focus on "One person should not be able to destroy a tank" Tell me why you think that, "Because its a tank" is not an answer Is it because of the SP investment? How about the fact that getting a weapon, modules, core skills and a frame to carry all that has a comparable cost but with more empty SP sinks with no benefit Is it the ISK cost? If so then please explain to me why you support pay to win Im all ears There are tanks that can shake off multiple RPG shots because the RPG is a light weapon and tanks are heavy vehicles. Because it's a ******* video game and we are talking about balance and yes because it's also a tank. It takes much more SP in tanks than it does AV 3mil AV is greater than 6mil+ tank 200k swarm suit is greater than 1.4mil tank. Vehicle rework scheduled for 1.5.... 1.6.... 1.7........ Tanker/Logi Wait until AV feels the pain vehicle users have

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