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Oswald Rehnquist
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Posted - 2013.11.09 06:17:00 -
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Caldari Factions- Practicals, Liberals, Patriots (general orientation on how their value system)
Gallente Factions- Hawks, Doves, Vultures, Magpies, Ostriches (names of political parties and goals)
Minmatar- Their ethnicity is their faction as far as I'm aware
Amarr- I'm lacking the actual names, the blocs diverge over how to spread the word, but I do know there is an aggressive traditionalist faction which seeks to absorb and mix with more races, and a more passive missionary bloc that believes its best to be ore subtle. Also there are different houses and kingdoms (an empress and a king) within the empire so this gets even more convoluted.
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Caldari - Deteis - Patriots
If there is something I missed let me know because learning more is good, also if there is nothing else and you just want to define what you doing that's cool too.
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Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
582
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Posted - 2013.11.09 06:48:00 -
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Intaki Secessionist.
Grahisha of the ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier
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Oswald Rehnquist
495
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Posted - 2013.11.09 06:53:00 -
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Denak Kalamari wrote:Intaki Secessionist.
I've hear of them, not an official group that the Gallente sponsor obliviously.
If you ever come back to this post, is there to the lore or to the idealogy behind the Intaki movement beyond just separation and peaceful existence? Also is the movement peaceful or violent, as in do you fight the Gallente or is it just political maneuvering?
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Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
582
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Posted - 2013.11.09 07:02:00 -
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Oswald Rehnquist wrote:If you ever come back to this post, is there to the lore or to the idealogy behind the Intaki movement beyond just separation and peaceful existence? Also is the movement peaceful or violent, as in do you fight the Gallente or is it just political maneuvering?
There are a few secessionist movements, the one I am in, the Intaki Liberation Front aims to establish Intaki colonies as an independent sovereignty from the Gallente Federation through peaceful means. We do this through political lobbying, delivering aid to the Intaki colonies and anti-pirate combat, but we do not aim to secede through aggressive acts unlike the Caldari.
We want this because due to failures by the Intaki Assembly and lack of support from the Federation, Intaki colonies are left to fend for themselves in lowsec Placid, where pirates and militia roam free to wreak havoc without CONCORD interference. There is often shortage of necessary supplies on the colonies, as delivering them is difficult due to the constant presence of pirates.
Grahisha of the ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier
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Yun Hee Ryeon
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
350
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Posted - 2013.11.09 21:19:00 -
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Oswald Rehnquist wrote:Caldari Factions- Practicals, Liberals, Patriots (general orientation on how their value system)
Just to be clear for any foreign readers, since Mr. Rehnquist's meaning may not have been wholly apparent: a Caldari stating a State faction allegiance is expressing a sympathy, not a membership. The megacorporations themselves are the "members" of their factions; corporate citizens are citizens of member corporations. They may or may not support their megacorporation's politics (though most will at least pay lip service). This also applies to capsuleers and clone soldiers, who stand outside the corporate citizenship system-- we're not "Patriots" or "Liberals," ourselves, but we may favor one faction or another.
In my own case:
Achura (Caldari client state) - Achur - Patriots |
DeadlyAztec11
Gallente Federation
2443
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Posted - 2013.11.10 07:28:00 -
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Intaki-Brutor, Gallante Loyalist.
Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
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Galm Fae
Eskola Ergonomics
137
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Posted - 2013.11.10 07:34:00 -
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Caldari Citizenship - Civire-Intaki By Blood
I'm a bleeding heart Patriot through and through, because I actually give a damn about the direction this universe is taking.
In the moment when I truly understand my enemy, understand him well enough to defeat him, then I also love him.
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Niina Eskola
Eskola Ergonomics
1
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Posted - 2013.11.10 07:39:00 -
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State Citizenship
Deteis... I think. I kinda got a mixed bag from the gene pool.
I guess I'm a practical... Whatever lets me sell my product to the greatest amount of people.
Strength. Beauty. Quality. Eskola Ergonomics.
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True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
4034
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Posted - 2013.11.10 09:10:00 -
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Oswald Rehnquist wrote:Caldari Factions- Practicals, Liberals, Patriots (general orientation on how their value system)
Gallente Factions- Hawks, Doves, Vultures, Magpies, Ostriches (names of political parties and goals)
Minmatar- Their ethnicity is their faction as far as I'm aware
Amarr- I'm lacking the actual names, the blocs diverge over how to spread the word, but I do know there is an aggressive traditionalist faction which seeks to absorb and mix with more races, and a more passive missionary bloc that believes its best to be ore subtle. Also there are different houses and kingdoms (an empress and a king) within the empire so this gets even more convoluted.
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Caldari - Deteis - Patriots
If there is something I missed let me know because learning more is good, also if there is nothing else and you just want to define what you doing that's cool too.
Kador is
Amarr- True Amarr- Religious Reformist- Sarum Family Loyalist
my new Caldari character
Leithe Askari is
Caldari- Civre- Disassociated (Read up on that status/political alignment/ whatevs)
I always liked the Caldari and everything they represent and Leithe is by far the more interesting character in terms of personality, but perhaps not so in deeds.
"All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
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Yun Hee Ryeon
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
350
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Posted - 2013.11.10 16:24:00 -
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((Adamance, I believe this topic is IC. I know the lines have been getting blurry lately, but speaking OOC here really is a bad habit.))
Fae-haan:
I'm curious-- when you say that you give a damn about the direction of the "universe," do you mean the State's position in it or do you mean the universe generally?
The Patriots are isolationists, practitioners of porcupine diplomacy ("leave me alone or get hurt"). This being the case, a "bleeding heart" Patriot supporter would be a bit of an oddity. I favor the Patriots because I don't see the universe as fixable, and would rather spend our efforts creating a safe sanctuary than trying and failing to solve other people's problems. The Patriot faction is maybe not the best match for somebody who's actually concerned with the welfare of those beyond our borders. |
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Galm Fae
Eskola Ergonomics
137
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Posted - 2013.11.10 23:24:00 -
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Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:
Fae-haan:
I'm curious-- when you say that you give a damn about the direction of the "universe," do you mean the State's position in it or do you mean the universe generally?
The Patriots are isolationists, practitioners of porcupine diplomacy ("leave me alone or get hurt"). This being the case, a "bleeding heart" Patriot supporter would be a bit of an oddity. I favor the Patriots because I don't see the universe as fixable, and would rather spend our efforts creating a safe sanctuary than trying and failing to solve other people's problems. The Patriot faction is maybe not the best match for somebody who's actually concerned with the welfare of those beyond our borders.
Forgive me Ryeon for not making myself clear. I was attempting reference your comment that we can be sympathetic at most towards a political slant in the State. I may not be able to say I represent the will of the Patriots, but I will proudly aid them in achieving their ends through thick and thin.
In labeling the Patriots as isolationists, you seem to have a very limited scope on their values. You seem to almost entirely leave out their jingoistic tendancies for boosting Caldari supiriority across the cluster. In fact, I dare say that isolationism is a value held by only the most hardline members of society. (Including but not limited to my former assosiates.)
Assuming the war machine that the Patriots fuel is strictly a defensive measure implies a certain element of naivety.
In the moment when I truly understand my enemy, understand him well enough to defeat him, then I also love him.
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Sage E'LOS
3
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Posted - 2013.11.11 00:04:00 -
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I am an Intaki born..but i am in no way associated with my Federation, i am just but a truth seeker wishing to share the knowledge i have accumulated over my years, a man of peace in a war infested time..which is why i done the healer.
"The most valuable possession you can own is an open heart. The most powerful weapon you can be is an instrument of peace."
Always pass on what you have learned
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Harkon Vysarii
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
458
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Posted - 2013.11.11 00:54:00 -
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Practical through and through |
Yun Hee Ryeon
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
351
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Posted - 2013.11.11 05:14:00 -
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Galm Fae wrote:Forgive me Ryeon for not making myself clear. I was attempting reference your comment that we can be sympathetic at most towards a political slant in the State. I may not be able to say I represent the will of the Patriots, but I will proudly aid them in achieving their ends through thick and thin.
In labeling the Patriots as isolationists, you seem to have a very limited scope on their values. You seem to almost entirely leave out their jingoistic tendancies for boosting Caldari supiriority across the cluster. In fact, I dare say that isolationism is a value held by only the most hardline members of society. (Including but not limited to my former assosiates.)
Assuming the war machine that the Patriots fuel is strictly a defensive measure implies a certain element of naivety.
Compared with the rest of the cluster, Fae-haan, the Caldari people as a whole are exceptionally isolationist. Your people are profoundly inward-focused. To join Caldari society requires complete integration; even we, your spiritual kin, are kept at arm's length. The Patriots are the proudest, and most culturally protective, of all.
That does not mean that they are naiive about what is necessary to protect that cultural purity in a universe that persistently refuses to go away. The military superiority the Patriots focus on is not wholly defensive, no, and for the same reason that the current war with the Gallente cannot be fought only defensively. The Patriots are militaristic to safeguard Caldari interests, both those which must be protected and those which must be pursued.
Note, please, that the focus of their goals before Tibus Heth's rise was Caldari Prime-- not some alien sphere, not some grand campaign of conquest, but the Caldari homeworld and the heritage it represents. Heth-haan, in enacting his own version of the Patriot dream, took it-- not it plus the rest of Luminaire, not it plus Placid (that was only put in play later, by the Empyrean War).
Just Caldari Prime. Even Tibus Heth, with all his bitter hatred.
One of the more interesting questions before the State is whether your homeworld's demilitarized status will be satisfactory to the Patriots, or whether they will remain unsatisfied with any compromise.
The Caldari are a people driven into exile, Fae-haan. The Patriot's cry is "never again." |
Galm Fae
Eskola Ergonomics
138
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Posted - 2013.11.11 09:35:00 -
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Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:Fae-haan:
Hm. "Isolationist" may not be quite the right term, since it implies withdrawing from interstellar affairs. The Patriots are not so impractical. They are not, however, conquerors; their focus is on strategic position, both economic and military. The goal, however, is predominantly defensive: to establish a barrier against any challenger.
To an extent I agree with you. We aren't conquerors and we are culturally predisposed to hate all forms of imperial subjugation. But conquest is not the same as economic expansion. That fact alone is what sparked the first blasted war between us and the Federation. An empire, even one as comparatively low in population as the Caldari State, isn't self sustaining. It relies on the spoils of expeditionary forces in contested regions of space.
Furthermore, there are still yet more cultural "cousins" out there in the universe yet to be liberated by the State. There is still a large population of ethnic Caldari living among the Federation. Populations whose entire livelihoods is centered on who is winning in the limited conflict are dependent on our own ability to not only repel the Gallente, but press the attack and force them out of occupied regions. And then what of Intaki populations who have requested aid in breaking from the Federation just as we had? Do we not have a moral obligation to support the same form of uprising that birthed our State?
Quote:Of course, no vision of Caldari heritage is complete without Caldari Prime.
On that, arvumaa, we both agree on.
In the moment when I truly understand my enemy, understand him well enough to defeat him, then I also love him.
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DeadlyAztec11
Gallente Federation
2483
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Posted - 2013.11.11 17:48:00 -
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Quote: There is still a large population of ethnic Caldari living among the Federation. Populations whose entire livelihoods is centered on who is winning in the limited conflict are dependent on our own ability to not only repel the Gallente, but press the attack and force them out of occupied regions.
Any and all ethnic Caldari still living within the Federation are doing so by choice, a rather sensible choice. The people themselves are free to leave Gallante space at any point.
Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
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Galm Fae
Eskola Ergonomics
138
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Posted - 2013.11.11 19:00:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Quote: There is still a large population of ethnic Caldari living among the Federation. Populations whose entire livelihoods is centered on who is winning in the limited conflict are dependent on our own ability to not only repel the Gallente, but press the attack and force them out of occupied regions. Any and all ethnic Caldari still living within the Federation are doing so by choice, a rather sensible choice. The people themselves are free to leave Gallante space at any point.
Typical imperialist fallacy, thinking it is so easy for a baseliner to just pack up and leave a planet they were born and raised on. What you see as implied concent by proximity is really just robbing citizens of their homeland.
In the moment when I truly understand my enemy, understand him well enough to defeat him, then I also love him.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
7036
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Posted - 2013.11.11 19:28:00 -
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Minmatar by blood
Gallente culture and citizenship.
I don't exactly get along with the law because of some supposed "acts of terrorism" I allegedly committed against the Amarr Empire... It may or may not be true, but if it is, its because the Gallente Federation (so called champions of liberty) have been lazy in defending human freedom. Greater things are currently in the works, and those who would stand in the way of freedom will die with the taste of blood in their own mouth... allegedly (Black Eagles are after me for "questioning")
Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of the threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
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Fire of Prometheus
DUST University
Ivy League
1565
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Posted - 2013.11.11 22:05:00 -
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1st gen Templars....got the gear to prove it.
Also an airborne troop, and a half crazy half ingenious pilot/assassin.
"It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it."
-Aristotle
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DeadlyAztec11
Gallente Federation
2483
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Posted - 2013.11.11 22:56:00 -
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Galm Fae wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Quote: There is still a large population of ethnic Caldari living among the Federation. Populations whose entire livelihoods is centered on who is winning in the limited conflict are dependent on our own ability to not only repel the Gallente, but press the attack and force them out of occupied regions. Any and all ethnic Caldari still living within the Federation are doing so by choice, a rather sensible choice. The people themselves are free to leave Gallante space at any point. Typical imperialist fallacy, thinking it is so easy for a baseliner to just pack up and leave a planet they were born and raised on. What you see as implied concent by proximity is really just robbing citizens of their homeland.
Wrong my friend, many Loyalist Caldari have lived multiple generations on Gallante worlds. What little affection they may have had for the Caldari State was clearly erased by their choosing to side with the Gallante Federation during the Gallante - Caldari War. They had decades to support your cause, though, they supported and in many cases, died on behalf of the Federation.
They are Gallante born, Gallante raised.
Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
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True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
4077
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Posted - 2013.11.11 23:29:00 -
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Fire of Prometheus wrote:1st gen Templars....got the gear to prove it.
Also an airborne troop, and a half crazy half ingenious pilot/assassin.
Then I need to erase you from existence simple as that. The purge of the 1st gens within our Empire was absolute but if you slipped through the cracks, no matter how loyal you might be now, the madness will catch up with you.
"All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
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Fire of Prometheus
DUST University
Ivy League
1568
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Posted - 2013.11.11 23:40:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:1st gen Templars....got the gear to prove it.
Also an airborne troop, and a half crazy half ingenious pilot/assassin. Then I need to erase you from existence simple as that. The purge of the 1st gens within our Empire was absolute but if you slipped through the cracks, no matter how loyal you might be now, the madness will catch up with you.
Well the madness explains why I fly derpships....and NEVER!!!!!! You'll never catch me!!!!! And if you kill me, I'll just come back 
"It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it."
-Aristotle
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True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
4078
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Posted - 2013.11.12 00:29:00 -
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Fire of Prometheus wrote:True Adamance wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:1st gen Templars....got the gear to prove it.
Also an airborne troop, and a half crazy half ingenious pilot/assassin. Then I need to erase you from existence simple as that. The purge of the 1st gens within our Empire was absolute but if you slipped through the cracks, no matter how loyal you might be now, the madness will catch up with you. Well the madness explains why I fly derpships....and NEVER!!!!!! You'll never catch me!!!!! And if you kill me, I'll just come back
You can die never forget that. We are not as immortal as we like to think.
"All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
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Fire of Prometheus
DUST University
Ivy League
1568
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Posted - 2013.11.12 00:34:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:True Adamance wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:1st gen Templars....got the gear to prove it.
Also an airborne troop, and a half crazy half ingenious pilot/assassin. Then I need to erase you from existence simple as that. The purge of the 1st gens within our Empire was absolute but if you slipped through the cracks, no matter how loyal you might be now, the madness will catch up with you. Well the madness explains why I fly derpships....and NEVER!!!!!! You'll never catch me!!!!! And if you kill me, I'll just come back You can die never forget that. We are not as immortal as we like to think.
True.....little known secret, I'm the clone of a clone of one of the original Templars
o:(@ <--- his mind exploded
"It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it."
-Aristotle
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Purist Cyanide
L.I.G.H.T
0
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Posted - 2013.11.12 21:29:00 -
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Civire - Caldari Purist |
Leithe Askarii
Isuuaya Tactical
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.11.12 21:53:00 -
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I live as a disassociated Civre in one of the lower wards....its nothing fancy but I can get by....and far better than the labour camps. |
Luna Angelo
We Who Walk Alone
152
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Posted - 2013.11.25 12:02:00 -
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I am Achura. I guess I'm a Patriot. Not a Loyalist, a Patriot.... Maybe borderline Seperatist. Not sure.
Contact WaTcHoUt1219 ZARTA for Logos. More are available. 500K ISK.
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Aria Gomes
Death by Disassociation
Zero-Day
136
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Posted - 2013.11.25 19:52:00 -
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Minmatar -- Vherokior Tribe
I'm pretty much loyal to the people of Matari and weirdly enough Caldari factions. They have great fighting tactics plus I enjoy their weapons. I'd rather get a height advantage on the field or kill an enemy from a distance than up close.
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Satja Askarin
Vherokior Combat Logistics
Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2013.11.25 20:24:00 -
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Vherokior Tribe, formerly, now I am of the Amarr.
I have to admit Aria, we are predisposed to being warriors, for good or ill. |
Aria Gomes
Death by Disassociation
Zero-Day
136
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Posted - 2013.11.25 21:53:00 -
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Satja Askarin wrote:Vherokior Tribe, formerly, now I am of the Amarr.
I have to admit Aria, we are predisposed to being warriors, for good or ill.
Agreed! Majority of the time I can't wait to sign a contract and fight. I think I love my job far too much. |
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