DUST Search - Hmg is getting a 30% range buff........YO!

Laurent Cazaderon wrote:

HowDidThatTaste wrote:

Laurent Cazaderon wrote:

Since 1.6, i get a lot more issues with heavies\HMG. Even start to run away in fear again sometimes. Which is a good sign.

So yeah, instead of buffing it, i'd rather have a decrease in damage for all other automatic weapons (smg\rifles) in regard to the TTK.

Thank you. I could love the HMG if the AR had to fight me in my range
. I as heavy can not dictate my optimal fight zone. It is determined by the AR or AOE.
But I have the best bad ass gun in the game. So much so I have to use the biggest slowest suit in the game to use I!

I am supposedly so bad ass in my sentinel role I have been given the honor of owning such space!

Not a shotgunner, AR player or any grenade can take me in my optimal spot cause I am a hard ass point defense player
. Fear me!

Am I right.

Irony isnt needed. I dont think i'm mistaken when i say heavies are better now that they have more health and the HMG benefits from the better HD. At least i know i dont take down heavies the way i use to just last week.

Now, i really dont think the solution is to make HMG long range gun. They should at mid range obviously but with a lower accuracy. Which i think they do.

Last part is the most interesting. Yes grenades are way too powerfull atm. AR probably is as well. as for shotguns, they may be the one CQC weapon heavies should fear. As for the point defense part, well heavies\HMG are certainly not intended to go running around in the open or scouting an area. They do their best job when surrounded with friendlies. But hey, i could be mistaken.

Anyway, if choice was up to me, i'd start by raising TTK slightly by focusing on the weapons making it so low (rifles obv) and then see. And less power for rifles would emphasize HMGs ability vs them.

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HowDidThatTaste Ancient Exiles 3932	Posted - 2013.11.08 10:23:00 - [1] - Quote Not sure if its true, Would this fix the HMG?
8213 Grade No.2 572	Posted - 2013.11.08 10:27:00 - [2] - Quote It doesn't need range. It needs tighter displacement and bullet registration.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1326	Posted - 2013.11.08 10:30:00 - [3] - Quote Its needs to be removed and replaced with a trout to slap people with. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.
NOT JL Expert Intervention Caldari State 6	Posted - 2013.11.08 10:30:00 - [4] - Quote what was wrong with it? Many men, many many many men wish death on me. - Lincoln Oochie walley walley, oochie bang bang. - George Washington
HowDidThatTaste Ancient Exiles 3934	Posted - 2013.11.08 10:31:00 - [5] - Quote 8213 wrote: It doesn't need range. It needs tighter displacement and bullet registration. You are a noob or AR player...
Laurent Cazaderon What The French 2069	Posted - 2013.11.08 10:35:00 - [6] - Quote Since 1.6, i get a lot more issues with heavies\HMG. Even start to run away in fear again sometimes. Which is a good sign. So yeah, instead of buffing it, i'd rather have a decrease in damage for all other automatic weapons (smg\rifles) in regard to the TTK. This Char i only use on the forum. To contact me : "Cazaderon" in game and on Skype. Et vive la France !
HowDidThatTaste Ancient Exiles 3934	Posted - 2013.11.08 10:35:00 - [7] - Quote 8213 wrote: It doesn't need range. It needs tighter displacement and bullet registration. I stole a car quicker than you In GTAV
Himiko Kuronaga The Generals EoN. 2210	Posted - 2013.11.08 10:38:00 - [8] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: Not sure if its true, Would this fix the HMG? No, it would not.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 9984	Posted - 2013.11.08 10:40:00 - [9] - Quote I got killed 40 meters out by one today (typical advanced one), I don't think it needs a range buff. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Plasma Rifle =// Unlocked
crazy space 1 Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 1972	Posted - 2013.11.08 10:41:00 - [10] - Quote It needs spin up time so the burst can stand out and the range/damage increase would be justified. I'd say range increase on the assault but longer spin up time. Damage increase just 5% it doesn't need much with it's rof

Melchiah ARANeAE The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 239	Posted - 2013.11.08 10:42:00 - [11] - Quote It's a CQC weapon so more range seems pointless to me. It just needs a better hit system. It only hits people that are in the dead centre of the reticule and that's wrong. Make it so the bullets actually spread over the dispersion area so you can hit multiple, close together, targets at once and buff the damage a bit to make it do decent damage to them all. It might be worth something after that. Also, heavies need more weapons. 'Insert witty signature here'
Melchiah ARANeAE The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 239	Posted - 2013.11.08 10:45:00 - [12] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: It needs spin up time so the burst can stand out and the range/damage increase would be justified. I'd say range increase on the assault but longer spin up time. Damage increase just 5% it doesn't need much with it's rof It actually explains in the weapons description it has traded spool up time for increased aim the longer you fire. 'Insert witty signature here'
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1330	Posted - 2013.11.08 10:45:00 - [13] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Its needs to be removed and replaced with a trout to slap people with. This all the way, racial variants as well please lol Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.
KripnawtiQ Prime L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 304	Posted - 2013.11.08 10:47:00 - [14] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I got killed 40 meters out by one today (typical advanced one), I don't think it needs a range buff. Were you just standing completely still in a Dragonfly suit?
HowDidThatTaste Ancient Exiles 3935	Posted - 2013.11.08 10:49:00 - [15] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: Since 1.6, i get a lot more issues with heavies\HMG. Even start to run away in fear again sometimes. Which is a good sign. So yeah, instead of buffing it, i'd rather have a decrease in damage for all other automatic weapons (smg\rifles) in regard to the TTK. Thank you. I could love the HMG if the AR had to fight me in my range . I as heavy can not dictate my optimal fight zone. It is determined by the AR or AOE. But I have the best bad ass gun in the game. So much so I have to use the biggest slowest suit in the game to use I! I am supposedly so bad ass in my sentinel role I have been given the honor of owning such space! Not a shotgunner, AR player or any grenade can take me in my optimal spot cause I am a hard ass point defense player . Fear me! Am I right.
Jacques Cayton II Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 83	Posted - 2013.11.08 10:49:00 - [16] - Quote I went 34/0 with my hmg in a Caldari fw match yesterday, but I had a squad and it wasn't a proto stomped match either. Proto ars is what makes the hmg garbage no hmg can stand up to it at any range. Nerf it's damage a bit and it would be fine and by nerf I mean like 5 to 10% not something ridiculous. But if you keep the ars the same decrease the hmgs dispersion or increase its range. Or just give it a shot ton of damage. CCP just needs to fix it that's all.
HowDidThatTaste Ancient Exiles 3935	Posted - 2013.11.08 10:53:00 - [17] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: I went 34/0 with my hmg in a Caldari fw match yesterday, but I had a squad and it wasn't a proto stomped match either. Proto ars is what makes the hmg garbage no hmg can stand up to it at any range. Nerf it's damage a bit and it would be fine and by nerf I mean like 5 to 10% not something ridiculous. But if you keep the ars the same decrease the hmgs dispersion or increase its range. Or just give it a shot ton of damage. CCP just needs to fix it that's all. Lol . Love you man good job ! How were your next 20 games?
Laurent Cazaderon What The French 2070	Posted - 2013.11.08 11:12:00 - [18] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: Laurent Cazaderon wrote: Since 1.6, i get a lot more issues with heavies\HMG. Even start to run away in fear again sometimes. Which is a good sign. So yeah, instead of buffing it, i'd rather have a decrease in damage for all other automatic weapons (smg\rifles) in regard to the TTK. Thank you. I could love the HMG if the AR had to fight me in my range . I as heavy can not dictate my optimal fight zone. It is determined by the AR or AOE. But I have the best bad ass gun in the game. So much so I have to use the biggest slowest suit in the game to use I! I am supposedly so bad ass in my sentinel role I have been given the honor of owning such space! Not a shotgunner, AR player or any grenade can take me in my optimal spot cause I am a hard ass point defense player . Fear me! Am I right. Irony isnt needed. I dont think i'm mistaken when i say heavies are better now that they have more health and the HMG benefits from the better HD. At least i know i dont take down heavies the way i use to just last week. Now, i really dont think the solution is to make HMG long range gun. They should at mid range obviously but with a lower accuracy. Which i think they do. Last part is the most interesting. Yes grenades are way too powerfull atm. AR probably is as well. as for shotguns, they may be the one CQC weapon heavies should fear. As for the point defense part, well heavies\HMG are certainly not intended to go running around in the open or scouting an area. They do their best job when surrounded with friendlies. But hey, i could be mistaken. Anyway, if choice was up to me, i'd start by raising TTK slightly by focusing on the weapons making it so low (rifles obv) and then see. And less power for rifles would emphasize HMGs ability vs them. This Char i only use on the forum. To contact me : "Cazaderon" in game and on Skype. Et vive la France !
I-Shayz-I I-----I 1283	Posted - 2013.11.08 11:49:00 - [19] - Quote Meh, That makes me worry about "power creep" basically it means that you just keep buffing things to compete with the best stuff in the game...instead of nerfing or removing the best stuff. I'd rather see some actual dispersion on the AR when ADS...that way AR users HAVE to get within range of the HMG in order to have any change of killing a heavy. You know, instead of "sniping" players like they can do now. List of Most Important Threads I make logistics videos!
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL The Ascendancy 671	Posted - 2013.11.08 11:56:00 - [20] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Its needs to be removed and replaced with a trout to slap people with. they should give heavies a built in light saber for melee

Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 277	Posted - 2013.11.08 11:58:00 - [21] - Quote if uwan range as a heavy pick up a laser it just as good dps wise and more accurate also
Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 929	Posted - 2013.11.08 12:23:00 - [22] - Quote Makes sense to me! Remember its a minmatar weapon, in my experince Minmatar weapons work best as either shorg range hit and run, (alla eve), but they double as good long range suppression on the ground! The problem with the HMG wasn't the accuracy, or the damage! But the terrible range a weapon has a hard time suppressing people when its bullets do 2dmg at 50m! A little extra range will make people think twice about standing in open ground against a HMG. Besides the Rifles still need less power, but the scrambler, rail, laser and sniper rifles will still work as a hard counter! The pen is mightier than the sword The gun is mightier than both
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1067	Posted - 2013.11.08 14:02:00 - [23] - Quote +30% range sounds like Chromosome Sharpshooter V Sharpshooter Proficiency II to me. Prepare for nerf threads. ¶Gêƒ__ Gò« Gû¿GûêGûêGûêGòáGëíGëíGëíGû¬ « GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GåÆFAT GATGåÉ pÇûGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæpÇùForum Warrior LV 1 (NEXT: 000/1000XP) ¯Gò¦pÇôpÇù
Krom Ganesh Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 588	Posted - 2013.11.08 14:04:00 - [24] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Its needs to be removed and replaced with a trout to slap people with. Too OP. Need to add Herring so other suits can cut the Heavy down.
Hecarim Van Hohen Unkn0wn Killers 214	Posted - 2013.11.08 14:08:00 - [25] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: Anyway, if choice was up to me, i'd start by raising TTK slightly by focusing on the weapons making it so low (rifles obv) and then see. And less power for rifles would emphasize HMGs ability vs them. I kinda agree with this but it would still be nice to have a ever so small range buff though :D D-í¦¦¦¦i-ó¦¦¦+¦¿¦ºv-ë-£i-ë¦ó¦¦d¦ò-Ç¦íe¦¦-ë-í¦ò-ó ¦ò¦+-üw¦¿¦¦e-ü -ë¦òs¦¢¦+t-Å¦+-£a¦¢-án-¥¦¢-ƒ¦¢d-ü-í-ó¦ó-ó ¦¦u-ÿ-ó¦¦¦+n-ÿ-í¦¦-ü-ëi¦ó-ó-Pt-Å-Åe¦º-Å-Çd-Å-ó -ü-ÿ-ü-íw¦¿-¥-£¦í-ëe¦¦-ÿ-ü -í-ü¦óf-ía¦¢¦+-P¦í-ól-ƒ¦ó
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1379	Posted - 2013.11.08 16:09:00 - [26] - Quote It would be pretty crazy if it got a range increase I stead of a "gentler dmg fall off"
WAR-MONGER SLAUGHTER Unkn0wn Killers 0	Posted - 2013.11.08 17:48:00 - [27] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: Since 1.6, i get a lot more issues with heavies\HMG. Even start to run away in fear again sometimes. Which is a good sign. So yeah, instead of buffing it, i'd rather have a decrease in damage for all other automatic weapons (smg\rifles) in regard to the TTK. whats the point of nerfing everything ? that's all you guys do -is nerf!... leave it alone .. its fine .. increase the damage for the hmg or the range n it will work fine... u continue to nerf n nerf... n that's why the player count has dwindled so badly .. your making the game suck.. plain & simple... no one wants to have played a game . n level up their guns .. for u to come along and sh!t all over it .. n nerf it .. it makes no sense.. whats wrong with u? like serious ? u nerfed the flaylock .. n now no one uses it .. u nerfed the contact grenades .. n now no one uses it .. this game runs on the ar... I can guarantee.. u nerf that ar... your gonna end up nerfing the last of your play base... the few 4000+ players we have left.... stop your nerfing bullsh!t .. n help the heavies ... or go ahead n nerf the ar .. n watch as your dust gets left in the dust... lol .. nerf the ar.. these guys are retar.ded ! .. I tell u... they rather nerf all the ar's rather than buff the hmg... stupid fu.ck$ *WAR-MONGER SLAUGHTER ... THE GOD HEAVY*
Powerh8er Norwegian Dust514 Corporation Top Men. 302	Posted - 2013.11.10 22:02:00 - [28] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: HowDidThatTaste wrote: Laurent Cazaderon wrote: Since 1.6, i get a lot more issues with heavies\HMG. Even start to run away in fear again sometimes. Which is a good sign. So yeah, instead of buffing it, i'd rather have a decrease in damage for all other automatic weapons (smg\rifles) in regard to the TTK. Thank you. I could love the HMG if the AR had to fight me in my range . I as heavy can not dictate my optimal fight zone. It is determined by the AR or AOE. But I have the best bad ass gun in the game. So much so I have to use the biggest slowest suit in the game to use I! I am supposedly so bad ass in my sentinel role I have been given the honor of owning such space! Not a shotgunner, AR player or any grenade can take me in my optimal spot cause I am a hard ass point defense player . Fear me! Am I right. Irony isnt needed. I dont think i'm mistaken when i say heavies are better now that they have more health and the HMG benefits from the better HD. At least i know i dont take down heavies the way i use to just last week. Now, i really dont think the solution is to make HMG long range gun. They should at mid range obviously but with a lower accuracy. Which i think they do. Last part is the most interesting. Yes grenades are way too powerfull atm. AR probably is as well. as for shotguns, they may be the one CQC weapon heavies should fear. As for the point defense part, well heavies\HMG are certainly not intended to go running around in the open or scouting an area. They do their best job when surrounded with friendlies. But hey, i could be mistaken. Anyway, if choice was up to me, i'd start by raising TTK slightly by focusing on the weapons making it so low (rifles obv) and then see. And less power for rifles would emphasize HMGs ability vs them. Really?, i killed a ton of heavies since 1.6, almost everyone of them in cqc with std smg or ar. Their are almost the easiest kills in the game. I cant even play anymore on my heavy main char because it is so painfull to use. (And no, i dont want to specc into ar or lavs.) I want my HMG to function as a machine gun, and that is as an long range anti-infantry weapon. The whole idea that an heavy should be a CQC expert is a very bad design.
crychon xCosmic Voidx Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage 68	Posted - 2013.11.10 22:05:00 - [29] - Quote Melchiah ARANeAE wrote: crazy space 1 wrote: It needs spin up time so the burst can stand out and the range/damage increase would be justified. I'd say range increase on the assault but longer spin up time. Damage increase just 5% it doesn't need much with it's rof It actually explains in the weapons description it has traded spool up time for increased aim the longer you fire. and seize up from heat
Haerr Molon Labe PC RISE of LEGION 92	Posted - 2013.11.10 22:12:00 - [30] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: Not sure if its true, Would this fix the HMG? OMG best post in a long while! :) +1 Bitter, butthurt and trying to HTFU.



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