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TechMechMeds
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:47:00 -
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Just showed my best bud that iv known since I was 6 years old dust.
He said it looks very good but what's the point? I explained pc which he said sounded great, and fw. Then told him the downside , that being the lag and spineless mechanics that benefit scrubs in pc, I will not lie to him and say its great sorry.
He laughed and stated that MAYBE if pc wasn't fked he'd GIVE IT A GO, I also showed him 3 matches and his opinion was ''fk that its just like halo'
Something needs to change, most of that can be found on the forums but I don't think you pay attention to it as much as you should.
When I showed him the suit customisation he was enthralled, he loved everything, corps, corp themes, skills, everything but when he saw the gameplay he was let down and I askedd him if he'd play with me and he said no, even after offering to buy him a ps3 for Xmas.
A lot of the answers to fix dust are on the forums, after a few beers I CBA to suggest things, iv done enough of that. I just thought I'd share an experienced gamers opinion of dust with you. He's 26 just like me so he has a pallet for good gasmes.
He called me an idiot for playing on a pipe dream but I have faith in you CCP, I just thought a complete outside perspective bit of feedback might help somehow, derp a derp I'm drunk.
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TechMechMeds
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:58:00 -
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jin foxdale wrote:Did he actually play any DUST?
I spent an hour and a half showing him cusdtomisation , skills, corps , corp themes, explaining eve, alliances, meta game,eve interaction lol, pc mechanics, the works, literally everythinbg.
Its all great but the gameplay let him down and they were good matches.
I played 3 good skirmishes and I'm a logi so he saw more than just killing, I offered him a go and he wasn't interested, everything is great except the gameplay. Personally I love dust like a fool but it has to change somehow, I don't know how at the mo but it does.
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TechMechMeds
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Posted - 2013.11.08 00:21:00 -
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Bump.
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TechMechMeds
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Posted - 2013.11.08 02:42:00 -
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Thor McStrut wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:jin foxdale wrote:Did he actually play any DUST? I spent an hour and a half showing him cusdtomisation , skills, corps , corp themes, explaining eve, alliances, meta game,eve interaction lol, pc mechanics, the works, literally everythinbg. Its all great but the gameplay let him down and they were good matches. I played 3 good skirmishes and I'm a logi so he saw more than just killing, I offered him a go and he wasn't interested, everything is great except the gameplay. Personally I love dust like a fool but it has to change somehow, I don't know how at the mo but it does. While it's true that Dust is far from perfect, you can't judge a book by it's cover. In fact, you can't even judge a book by the first chapter. You have to dig into it, and experience it for yourself. If he had put in 20+ hours, then gave his feedback, his opinion might be worth something. Until then, it's uniformed rubbish. If he didn't want to play, fine, but don't tell me a game sucks or is pointless if you've never played it.
Hahaha you completely miss the whole point, 20 hours or even 6 months wouldn't have changed his opinion, dusts social side isn't enough, maybe re read my two posts mate. I love dust but you can polish a t u r d all you want, its still a t u r d to new players.
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TechMechMeds
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Posted - 2013.11.08 02:43:00 -
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Zahle Undt wrote:Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:I thought the point of DUST514 was identical to every FPS known to man; to shoot other people Yeah but what attracted me to this MMOFPS when I previously avoided them like the plague is that there is supposed to be more of a point to this game. We are supposed to be fighting to capture our own little corner of New Eden, however, with lack of Eve connection and PC that is lack luster (to put it nicely) we aren't there yet. But still I grind away hoping that we get there one day.
This, someone gets it.
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TechMechMeds
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Posted - 2013.11.08 02:47:00 -
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jin foxdale wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:jin foxdale wrote:Did he actually play any DUST? I spent an hour and a half showing him cusdtomisation , skills, corps , corp themes, explaining eve, alliances, meta game,eve interaction lol, pc mechanics, the works, literally everythinbg. Its all great but the gameplay let him down and they were good matches. I played 3 good skirmishes and I'm a logi so he saw more than just killing, I offered him a go and he wasn't interested, everything is great except the gameplay. Personally I love dust like a fool but it has to change somehow, I don't know how at the mo but it does. But how much can he know about a game without playing it? Watching someone play and actually experiencing it are two different things. What if he had looked at the specialization, corp stuff, fittings etc and told he thought it looked rubbish, but then had a five minute ambush match and thought DUST was the best game ever? I'm not dissing your friend, but his opinion as an outsider seems somewhat flawed, having had no experience of playing the game. I think chocolate bars look like little poos, but I still eat them!
Did you even fking read my two posts? There is no what if.
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TechMechMeds
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Posted - 2013.11.08 03:06:00 -
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Thor McStrut wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Thor McStrut wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:jin foxdale wrote:Did he actually play any DUST? I spent an hour and a half showing him cusdtomisation , skills, corps , corp themes, explaining eve, alliances, meta game,eve interaction lol, pc mechanics, the works, literally everythinbg. Its all great but the gameplay let him down and they were good matches. I played 3 good skirmishes and I'm a logi so he saw more than just killing, I offered him a go and he wasn't interested, everything is great except the gameplay. Personally I love dust like a fool but it has to change somehow, I don't know how at the mo but it does. While it's true that Dust is far from perfect, you can't judge a book by it's cover. In fact, you can't even judge a book by the first chapter. You have to dig into it, and experience it for yourself. If he had put in 20+ hours, then gave his feedback, his opinion might be worth something. Until then, it's uniformed rubbish. If he didn't want to play, fine, but don't tell me a game sucks or is pointless if you've never played it. Hahaha you completely miss the whole point, 20 hours or even 6 months wouldn't have changed his opinion, dusts social side isn't enough, maybe re read my two posts mate. I love dust but you can polish a t u r d all you want, its still a t u r d to new players. Lol. Your two posts mention nothing about social interaction. You specifically said he wasn't interested in the gameplay. He didn't play the game. What the **** does he know?
Dust is far from unique in being a social game, he probably knows better than you seen as you just don't get it, I'd advise to to read my posts again, maybe just maybe it will sink in.
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TechMechMeds
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Posted - 2013.11.08 03:34:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:My son said he didn't like having to shoot everyone in the head to kill them, my friends said it was ugly, had too many choices and people didn't die fast enough. Both like twitch games.
My friend knows about dust, he's researched it for months, take into consideration the hour and a half I spent showing him every aspect of it and the gameplay, all I can say is he thinks I'm being a idiot for clinging to the vision of dust, the social aspect can be found in many many games, to an experienced players its a given.
When he saw the merc quartets for instance, he said in a joking manner 'so this is what stops you feeling like your in a lobby' all I could say was yes.
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TechMechMeds
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Posted - 2013.11.08 03:37:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:This is why I restrained myself from offering the game to my friends. I know this game is incomplete and is a work in progress so showing this game to a friend is a bad idea especially if that person is not use to how CCP does their projects. Once most of the core features are finished I'll be ready to talk to my friends about it.
I wish I'd done the same, I have 21 million sp so he really got to see how bland the game is even at this level.
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TechMechMeds
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Posted - 2013.11.08 03:39:00 -
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Thor McStrut wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Thor McStrut wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:jin foxdale wrote:Did he actually play any DUST? I spent an hour and a half showing him cusdtomisation , skills, corps , corp themes, explaining eve, alliances, meta game,eve interaction lol, pc mechanics, the works, literally everythinbg. Its all great but the gameplay let him down and they were good matches. I played 3 good skirmishes and I'm a logi so he saw more than just killing, I offered him a go and he wasn't interested, everything is great except the gameplay. Personally I love dust like a fool but it has to change somehow, I don't know how at the mo but it does. While it's true that Dust is far from perfect, you can't judge a book by it's cover. In fact, you can't even judge a book by the first chapter. You have to dig into it, and experience it for yourself. If he had put in 20+ hours, then gave his feedback, his opinion might be worth something. Until then, it's uniformed rubbish. If he didn't want to play, fine, but don't tell me a game sucks or is pointless if you've never played it. Hahaha you completely miss the whole point, 20 hours or even 6 months wouldn't have changed his opinion, dusts social side isn't enough, maybe re read my two posts mate. I love dust but you can polish a t u r d all you want, its still a t u r d to new players. Lol. Your two posts mention nothing about social interaction. You specifically said he wasn't interested in the gameplay. He didn't play the game. What the **** does he know?
Again, your a fool if you think social interaction is unique to dust.
Edit- in fact calling you a fool is credit, can you even fking read lo!.
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TechMechMeds
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Posted - 2013.11.08 03:49:00 -
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Regardless of dumb noobcake replies who can't read, hope you read this CCP, my mate was excited about dust.
Goode points all stated within two posts including bad points, can't make it any simpler, I'll carry on playing though in the hope of what we want dust to be.
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TechMechMeds
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Posted - 2013.11.08 03:50:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:While your friend is welcomed to his opinion, when someone says "It looks just like Halo", I roll my eyes. I mean, I know that's your first FPS and all but really, Halo? That's all your FPS experience can come up with, Halo?
Honestly, its a little up in the air at the moment. There's a significant amount of players who left. Ahem, let me rephrase that. There's a significant amount of intelligent players who left. Leaving the last good players with dumb blueberries. You can't even have solo ISK farming runs thanks to Nyain San and the protos on Ambush.
And for the love of god, please stop dropping uplinks down on Ambush!! It's stupid and does nothing, really, to assist the team. You are just creating bonafide spawn camp locations. CCP should give you the option to spawn on their regular spawn points if you don't want to spawn on a dropped uplink
Nice assumption, try Atari and doom 95. Can you read?
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TechMechMeds
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Posted - 2013.11.08 03:53:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:While your friend is welcomed to his opinion, when someone says "It looks just like Halo", I roll my eyes. I mean, I know that's your first FPS and all but really, Halo? That's all your FPS experience can come up with, Halo?
Honestly, its a little up in the air at the moment. There's a significant amount of players who left. Ahem, let me rephrase that. There's a significant amount of intelligent players who left. Leaving the last good players with dumb blueberries. You can't even have solo ISK farming runs thanks to Nyain San and the protos on Ambush.
And for the love of god, please stop dropping uplinks down on Ambush!! It's stupid and does nothing, really, to assist the team. You are just creating bonafide spawn camp locations. CCP should give you the option to spawn on their regular spawn points if you don't want to spawn on a dropped uplink
Just read the two post again man, are you that special? Seriously.
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TechMechMeds
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Posted - 2013.11.08 03:57:00 -
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In fact the crazy thing is iv had some to drink yet I'm having to explain to sober neckbeards where they can't understand simple English, are you fking kidding me lol.
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TechMechMeds
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Posted - 2013.11.08 04:06:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Michael Arck wrote:While your friend is welcomed to his opinion, when someone says "It looks just like Halo", I roll my eyes. I mean, I know that's your first FPS and all but really, Halo? That's all your FPS experience can come up with, Halo?
Honestly, its a little up in the air at the moment. There's a significant amount of players who left. Ahem, let me rephrase that. There's a significant amount of intelligent players who left. Leaving the last good players with dumb blueberries. You can't even have solo ISK farming runs thanks to Nyain San and the protos on Ambush.
And for the love of god, please stop dropping uplinks down on Ambush!! It's stupid and does nothing, really, to assist the team. You are just creating bonafide spawn camp locations. CCP should give you the option to spawn on their regular spawn points if you don't want to spawn on a dropped uplink
Just read the two post again man, are you that special? Seriously. what the **** is your deal man? You're a ******* dumb ass.
No you are, iv stated a very common problem concerning new player experience. Stated the excellent points of dust and the bad points. Its that simple and if you don't like it then tough sht as its feedback for CCP.
You and your kind of stupidity can keep bumping my thread. Good night.
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TechMechMeds
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Posted - 2013.11.08 08:39:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Protocake JR wrote:jin foxdale wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:jin foxdale wrote:Did he actually play any DUST? I spent an hour and a half showing him cusdtomisation , skills, corps , corp themes, explaining eve, alliances, meta game,eve interaction lol, pc mechanics, the works, literally everythinbg. Its all great but the gameplay let him down and they were good matches. I played 3 good skirmishes and I'm a logi so he saw more than just killing, I offered him a go and he wasn't interested, everything is great except the gameplay. Personally I love dust like a fool but it has to change somehow, I don't know how at the mo but it does. But how much can he know about a game without playing it? Watching someone play and actually experiencing it are two different things. What if he had looked at the specialization, corp stuff, fittings etc and told he thought it looked rubbish, but then had a five minute ambush match and thought DUST was the best game ever? I'm not dissing your friend, but his opinion as an outsider seems somewhat flawed, having had no experience of playing the game. I think chocolate bars look like little poos, but I still eat them! His opinion as an outsider is valid. And i'm sure MANY others feel the same way. If a game doesn't look fun, people won't bother to play it. It's a simple fact that HAS to be taken into account. I have to agree with him. An outsider's view is important after all. When you look at a game nowadays, what's the first thing you look at? You see if it's your cup of tea. Often times that means trying it out but other times it involves watching others try it out. For example: My friend lend me copy of Defiance back when it first released, which was about near the end of last year I believe. After spending a good hour trying it out, exploring the terrain, looking at the graphics, the interface, the customization, the mechanics, the whole setup, etc. I decided that I didn't like it and then gave the copy back to my friend. The graphics were terrible, but I would have let that part slide had it not been for the awkward mechanics (such as the running) and extremely-dumb AI that I was up against. Much of it felt far too linear and I didn't like the control layout. Of course, I didn't have any understanding on what the developers were trying to achieve and I didn't know anything about the developers themselves. That's also why I stuck with Dust 514 because I have known the developers since 2008 and I have seen how they operated and what their goals are. I have also experienced the culture of Eve Online which obviously had direct influence on my decision there. Just like the OP, I have some friends who may see me as foolish for having faith in this game, but thankfully I have the patience of a Buddhist Monk and it takes a lot for me to convince me otherwise. Of course, there were a couple of instances where CCP nearly got that far. Most notably this week with the nova knife screw up (waiting for that hot fix).
Yey, someone who gets it also. My point is as valid as it gets, he was excited about dust as well but he did say 'I'll come back when its worth playing' and I'm still buying him a ps3 for xmas just so he can create a char to accrue passive sp.
Just imagine for a second that I didn't have 21million sp and was a newb experiencing the game for the first time and showing him, he would have thought waaaaaaay worse.
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TechMechMeds
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Posted - 2013.11.08 08:49:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Michael Arck wrote:While your friend is welcomed to his opinion, when someone says "It looks just like Halo", I roll my eyes. I mean, I know that's your first FPS and all but really, Halo? That's all your FPS experience can come up with, Halo?
Honestly, its a little up in the air at the moment. There's a significant amount of players who left. Ahem, let me rephrase that. There's a significant amount of intelligent players who left. Leaving the last good players with dumb blueberries. You can't even have solo ISK farming runs thanks to Nyain San and the protos on Ambush.
And for the love of god, please stop dropping uplinks down on Ambush!! It's stupid and does nothing, really, to assist the team. You are just creating bonafide spawn camp locations. CCP should give you the option to spawn on their regular spawn points if you don't want to spawn on a dropped uplink
Nice assumption, try Atari and doom 95. Can you read? Can you? Can you think outside of yourself for a second? When I read your post about your friend's experience, it had me thinking about the experience as a whole for any player. Which opened up the door for my semi rant. The only thing about my post that was a comment to yours, was about the Halo comparison. Other than that, I just dropped my two cents about the experience now with Dust.
Sorry I completely missed this post I am very sorry. The gameplay reminded him too much of halo, he loved everything about it, everything but the gsmeplay, no amount of me telling him to get involved in the social aspect will make a difference, its not unique and very limited in dust.
Ps my Atari is my uncles, I'm not quite that old lol. Atari games are the hardest of all time lol.
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