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Papa Chanoli
WarRavens
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.11.07 21:03:00 -
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Congrats CCP on getting hit detection and aim assist working. Rifles are killing viciously. It doesn't matter which ones, they're vicious and as would be expected on these forums, the whining has commenced.
I don't cater to whining much, and I try not to do a whole lot of it myself, but it does make sense to pay attention the underlying issues.
As I understand it, a lot of tweaks were made to the game to compensate for the power of rifles. Maybe those need to be reconsidered, maybe not. That's not the point I'm aiming at making.
What a lot of players may be missing is that this game needs versatile weapons which are fairly effective at close and long range by design. Rifles fit that role very well at this point. The cryhards are screaming, "too well."
Every time the game starts working well, there's a backlash by folks who don't want to adapt, and it's fair to say that a lot of people who have quit Dust are gone because they are tired of skilling into an item only to have it nerfed. That's definitely understandable. I heard a point from a very skilled player recently which makes more sense than other solutions I've read or heard.
It's not neccessary to tweak or nerf or subtract from the game settings so frequently. In the light of the recent 1.6 improvements, nerfing any of the weapons will only prolong the problem. They (most, at least) work really well now. If the goal is to have a game that requires thinking and doesn't mow people down instantly, then use a strategy that has proven successful in this games past. Buff all the suits armor across the board to accommodate the higher damage that weapons are generating. It could be argued that a one to three percent (I dont know the best number) reduction to all weapon damage across the board would accomplish the same thing, but from my outside perspective that would have a lot more risk of breaking other game elements.
It really could be that simple. Make everybodies suit take a little more damage so that survivability is a litte higher and you might just hit the mark you have apparently been striving for since I started to play the game. You'll have a game which requires strategy and thought to do well in, and doesn't allow people to dominate by twitching for the instant kill. The constant quest to make weapons work might then be over and allow you to focus on game growth instead of repairs.
Just my two cents. |
Ploo-Koon
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
266
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Posted - 2013.11.07 21:05:00 -
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That's a lot of text for AR fan-gushing. You could have just said "I love ARs" and stopped there.
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Papa Chanoli
WarRavens
League of Infamy
71
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Posted - 2013.11.07 21:08:00 -
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That's a lot of shallow for AR hate too. Just saying. |
Dust Junky 4Life
Shitstorm Inc
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Posted - 2013.11.07 21:08:00 -
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Who the fk is gonna spend 10 minutes reading that crap? LMAO
All I heard was wa wa waaaaaaaaaaaaa
A shitstorm is coming.......
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Snaps Tremor
DUST University
Ivy League
346
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Posted - 2013.11.07 21:10:00 -
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Papa Chanoli wrote: there's a backlash by folks who don't want to adapt, and it's fair to say that a lot of people who have quit Dust are gone because they are tired of skilling into an item only to have it nerfed
You get the irony here, right. |
Ploo-Koon
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
266
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Posted - 2013.11.07 21:10:00 -
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Papa Chanoli wrote:That's a lot of shallow for AR hate too. Just saying.
I don't hate ARs(I use it in a few matches a day), I'd just like to be able to use something else AND be competitive.
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Papa Chanoli
WarRavens
League of Infamy
74
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Posted - 2013.11.07 21:39:00 -
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Ploo-Koon wrote:Papa Chanoli wrote:That's a lot of shallow for AR hate too. Just saying. I don't hate ARs(I use it in a few matches a day), I'd just like to be able to use something else AND be competitive.
Good, 'cause what's not said directly in the OP , but should be obvious, is that I think all the aim assisted weapons are killing too fast right now, not just AR's. It hurts the game. Writing off the post as AR love is missing the point. I prefer other weapons, and skilled into the AR when I realized that CCP has essentially communicated to the player base that AR types of weapons are essential to playing this game.
But, rather than cry about it or declare my lack of higher thought processes like some prefer to do, I think there is at least one good solution worth offering.
A little reading comprehension goes a long way.
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Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
1451
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Posted - 2013.11.07 21:40:00 -
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Working well? What are you on, crack mixed with something you found in Home Depot that looked tasty?
'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!
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Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
1752
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Posted - 2013.11.07 21:51:00 -
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Yep, every time the AR kills faster we get a **** ton of threads about how great the game is. Too bad I'm too stubborn to use a freaking AR. |
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
320
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Posted - 2013.11.07 21:56:00 -
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*sigh*
A "Cry Hard" AR user post.. To put it in your own words.
He thinks the game is working just fine, but Armor, Shields, Kinetics, hell anything that has to do with defense has no impact on the time it takes to die anymore.
If you can read this, it means you are reading.
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ShinyJay
RETR0 PR0 GAMERS
143
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:01:00 -
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all automatics are working way too well and accurate across a long distance. i refuse to use the AR unless i absolutely need to use it. i prefer my sniper, but that has been badly messed with and gained a bad rep due to red line snipers (not one of those snipers), so i now use the shotgun as my main scouting weapon and i still lose to those automatic weapons. I think some of these weapons need some nerf somewhere, because i believe an HP buff of any sort will only band aid the problem, though nerfing is also band aiding the same problem
The bunneh minnie scout sniper, hopping along and leaving blood trails
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8213
Grade No.2
567
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:05:00 -
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Actually, DUST 514 players want faster TTK... but only if it applies to them.
I never heard anyone say "CCP, please nerf the AR because i'm killing people to quickly with it."
Simple fact is, the AR is the most used weapon because its familiar (every shooter has an AR in it) and because its easy to use. As soon as guns are discovered as easy to use, such as; Mass Driver, TacAR, Laser, etc. People flocked to using those weapons, so they got the nerf hammer put upon them.
AR and Grenades dominate the battlefield because they do the most damage the quickest, because that's what people actually want. And to be honest, who can blame them. After all, if DUST 514 were good FPS players, they wouldn't be playing a game that only hosts 4,000 people worldwide per day. |
Awry Barux
Shining Flame
Amarr Empire
286
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:09:00 -
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8213 wrote:Actually, DUST 514 players want faster TTK... but only if it applies to them.
I never heard anyone say "CCP, please nerf the AR because i'm killing people to quickly with it."
Simple fact is, the AR is the most used weapon because its familiar (every shooter has an AR in it) and because its easy to use. As soon as guns are discovered as easy to use, such as; Mass Driver, TacAR, Laser, etc. People flocked to using those weapons, so they got the nerf hammer put upon them.
AR and Grenades dominate the battlefield because they do the most damage the quickest, because that's what people actually want. And to be honest, who can blame them. After all, if DUST 514 were good FPS players, they wouldn't be playing a game that only hosts 4,000 people worldwide per day.
Please nerf the AR, I'm killing people too quickly with it. Also, if you've never heard anyone say that, you obviously haven't been reading the forums recently.
I don't want AR/Grenade play to be blatantly the best- I can pick up an AR and grenades in any other shooter.
Also, 4000 players on at a given moment in time does not equal 4000 worldwide per day. No one is playing 24 hours a day- the number of unique logins per day is much higher than 4000.
tl;dr: you're wrong on all counts. |
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
321
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:21:00 -
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8213 wrote:Actually, DUST 514 players want faster TTK... but only if it applies to them.
I never heard anyone say "CCP, please nerf the AR because i'm killing people to quickly with it."
Simple fact is, the AR is the most used weapon because its familiar (every shooter has an AR in it) and because its easy to use. As soon as guns are discovered as easy to use, such as; Mass Driver, TacAR, Laser, etc. People flocked to using those weapons, so they got the nerf hammer put upon them.
AR and Grenades dominate the battlefield because they do the most damage the quickest, because that's what people actually want. And to be honest, who can blame them. After all, if DUST 514 were good FPS players, they wouldn't be playing a game that only hosts 4,000 people worldwide per day.
Uhm...
3 months ago there was this topic that arose
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
401
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:28:00 -
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wut
At first I thought this was sarcasm, but as I kept reading I started to get the feeling that I was wrong. |
Papa Chanoli
WarRavens
League of Infamy
75
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Posted - 2013.11.08 01:25:00 -
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Trolls win this one apparently, either incapable or unwilling to actually read and understand the post before boxing it up into their small, emotional cubby holes.
This post is not about how great the AR is, it's about fact that they are working really well now but killing too quickly as a result, offering an actual, potential solution.
I should have known better though, so I'll take this one on the chin. Thankfully, there are apparently a few readers who took the time to get the point.
I love the one about how it took the genius ten minutes to try and read it. That's rich.
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Zahle Undt
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
421
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Posted - 2013.11.08 01:42:00 -
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Ploo-Koon wrote:That's a lot of text for AR fan-gushing. You could have just said "I love ARs" and stopped there.
That's not what I gathered from the post. He's saying "buff rather than nerf" which is a sentiment I agree with usually. I just think in this instance lowering the damage of all weapons the 10% that they increased them a couple patches or so ago. And its not nerfing anyone if it happens across the board.
But whether you decrease weapon damage 10% or increase armor 10% its all pretty much the same. |
Papa Chanoli
WarRavens
League of Infamy
79
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Posted - 2013.11.08 02:14:00 -
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Zahle Undt wrote:Ploo-Koon wrote:That's a lot of text for AR fan-gushing. You could have just said "I love ARs" and stopped there. That's not what I gathered from the post. He's saying "buff rather than nerf" which is a sentiment I agree with usually. I just think in this instance lowering the damage of all weapons the 10% that they increased them a couple patches or so ago. And its not nerfing anyone if it happens across the board. But whether you decrease weapon damage 10% or increase armor 10% its all pretty much the same.
He didn't read past the one sentence that caused his PMS to flare up. |
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