An ongoing issue, or raher issues, that have been my main gripe with Dust is slowly diminnished patch by patch. I am talking about what I and many other "protostomping wannabe elite players with inflated ego" have experienced as noob friendly mechanics. Prime examples of these are the LLAV nerf, the Flaylock nerf, the MD nerf due to better LOS weapon hit detection and now recently the FG blast radius nerf.

I've said it before and I say it again, getting killed in a 200K proto suit due to some skilless scrub exploiting a cheap mechanic isn't any fun at all.... There was a time when I felt that 9 of 10 deaths I had wasn't deserved at all. Lately not so much, not even close. Dying by a militia AR getting the drop on you, simply getting outgunned or dying to an enemy blob due to too aggressive play is all ok and should be expected.

So the TTK is reduced by 1.6 and many players used to being carried by more EHP and DPS has just lost a little of that crutch and situational awareness, fast reflexes and superior aim has never been more important. I am not a direct fan of the new TTK, a little too fast IMO, but nothing game breaking. It might be a deliberate act to tap people faster for expensive suits in an attempt to cure the economy, I don't really care.

Conclusion:

If the current line of development continues, Dust will become a true competitve FPS sometime in the future. I am very positive towards the current trend of development in this regard, though it could always go faster...

There are however more stuff that needs to be done, to reduce what I call "cheap deaths", if you have more suggestions please bring em forth and I'll update the OP.

- Nades, and especially their spammability needs a serious nerf.
- The AI turret aim is just simply insane and needs to be toned down.
- Exit and enter time for fatsuits with LAVs needs to increase. Its just too easy to drive an unkillable LAV and pop out, kill a dude and pop back in again. Two "scrubby russian players" have done this for, well ever, in EU ambush. Its hard, next to impossible to counter, I'd like to see these players perform without this huge benefit.

So CCP, moving slowly in the right direction, keep it up.

- Nades, and especially their spammability needs a serious nerf.
- The AI turret aim is just simply insane and needs to be toned down.
- Exit and enter time for fatsuits with LAVs needs to increase. Its just too easy to drive an unkillable LAV and pop out, kill a dude and pop back in again. Two "scrubby russian players" have done this for, well ever, in EU ambush. Its hard, next to impossible to counter, I'd like to see these players perform without this huge benefit.

Vita APP
Commander mode
PvE
all racial suits
Muli redzone battles *already working on live server at one point*
the halogram map in the warbarge doesn't work

This. This needs to happen. PvE will make me happy...oh so happy

Behold! The lone voice extolling the virtues of 1.6.

Yes, HD being fixed is awesome but the inexorable move towards CoDAR514 is unmistakable and what will ultimately kill Dust.

Well I haven't played COD so I wouldn't know. The MD, sniper rifle, Scr rile, shotfun, smg, and Scr pistols are still viable weapons, at least in their respective niches, and I'm sure the laser will get a buff sooner or later. And then there are vehicles... People have a tendency to overdo the old COD resemblance.

all of this i could care less about. a fatty who adapted to AR 514 does not need a nerf. us scouts who what you call "grenade spam" adapted to you AR users who can kill us less than one second.

but when its YOU who is getting killed, then whatever killed you needs a nerf.

the rest of this post i can mostly agree with. +1 anyway.

IDK about you, but most of my deaths come in a flash from a Duvolle or one of the AScR.

All hail the reign of the AR and its variants!

AR514 AR514 AR514 AR514 AR514 AR514 AR514 AR514 AR514 AR514 AR514 AR514 AR514 AR514 AR514 AR514 AR514 AR514 AR514 AR514 AR514 AR514 AR514 AR514 AR514 AR514 AR514 AR514 AR514 AR514 AR514 AR514

C'mon, join the chant, you know you want to...

Damned forum scrubs....

I did not say the fatsuits need a nerf, just the time to get in and out of LAVs, and its not like an AR/fatsuit combo isn't allowed.

And did I mention nades in relation to scouts?

I also listed a bunch of deaths that I deserve and find to be OK, I've mentioned that the things which kills me "cheaply" needs a nerf, not by far "whatever killed you needs a nerf". This to improve the game overall, not to make my day easier.

Be precise or stop posting.

Nope! Funny the lengths people will go to in order to rationalize something they are invested in.

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Behold! The lone voice extolling the virtues of 1.6.

Yes, HD being fixed is awesome but the inexorable move towards CoDAR514 is unmistakable and what will ultimately kill Dust.

did i not say that this was an overrall good post?

and no need to call me a forum scrub. i'm not throwing insults at you so be mature and dont throw them at me.

and increasing the time to get into LAVs for heavies IS in fact indirectly nerfing them. if they use the tactic and you tweak it to make it less useable or slower, then that is in fact a nerf.

i actually respected this post, but when you started throwing insults, then you lost me.

An ongoing issue, or raher issues, that have been my main gripe with Dust is slowly diminnished patch by patch. I am talking about what I and many other "protostomping wannabe elite players with inflated ego" have experienced as noob friendly mechanics. Prime examples of these are the LLAV nerf, the Flaylock nerf, the MD nerf due to better LOS weapon hit detection and now recently the FG blast radius nerf.

I've said it before and I say it again, getting killed in a 200K proto suit due to some skilless scrub exploiting a cheap mechanic isn't any fun at all.... There was a time when I felt that 9 of 10 deaths I had wasn't deserved at all. Lately not so much, not even close. Dying by a militia AR getting the drop on you, simply getting outgunned or dying to an enemy blob due to too aggressive play is all ok and should be expected.

So the TTK is reduced by 1.6 and many players used to being carried by more EHP and DPS has just lost a little of that crutch and situational awareness, fast reflexes and superior aim has never been more important. I am not a direct fan of the new TTK, a little too fast IMO, but nothing game breaking. It might be a deliberate act to tap people faster for expensive suits in an attempt to cure the economy, I don't really care.

Conclusion:

If the current line of development continues, Dust will become a true competitve FPS sometime in the future. I am very positive towards the current trend of development in this regard, though it could always go faster...

There are however more stuff that needs to be done, to reduce what I call "cheap deaths", if you have more suggestions please bring em forth and I'll update the OP.

- Nades, and especially their spammability needs a serious nerf.
- The AI turret aim is just simply insane and needs to be toned down.
- Exit and enter time for fatsuits with LAVs needs to increase. Its just too easy to drive an unkillable LAV and pop out, kill a dude and pop back in again. Two "scrubby russian players" have done this for, well ever, in EU ambush. Its hard, next to impossible to counter, I'd like to see these players perform without this huge benefit.

So CCP, moving slowly in the right direction, keep it up.

While I agree with many of the things you say in this post... No, no, **** no, the TTKs currently are not remotely ok. Seriously. I don't want to play a twitch shooter, that's not what this game was presented as, it's not what this game was designed as (just look at the map design, seriously.) I'm not a FPS veteran, but I do know several of those who agree with me as well. This is not exactly a sudden change, it's been heading this way for a while, but I was hoping they'd stop at some point before it become too ridiculous. Clearly I was wrong.

As a wise man once said, "When it gets to the point where people are spending more time on the spawn screen than actually playing the game, it stops being fun." ( steady)

Damned forum scrubs....

I did not say the fatsuits need a nerf, just the time to get in and out of LAVs, and its not like an AR/fatsuit combo isn't allowed.

And did I mention nades in relation to scouts?

I also listed a bunch of deaths that I deserve and find to be OK, I've mentioned that the things which kills me "cheaply" needs a nerf, not by far "whatever killed you needs a nerf". This to improve the game overall, not to make my day easier.

Be precise or stop posting.

I agree with almost all of this, but (1) the Russian guys you are talking about are really good players, LLAV or no LLAV, and (2) there is not really any other viable tactic for heavies on ambush since 1.4.

The ambush maps are massive and open now (far more so than Chromosome, for instance) and the v. short TTK and pathetic range on HMG makes infantry heavy impractical on those maps. Occasionally you'll get lucky and spawn in the city with reds so you don't need to use an LAV, but not often. I agree the LLAV tactic is not attractive, and I mostly play skirmish so I don't use it much, but it's not really heavies' fault they resort to this when they are basically locked out of a game mode without it. (And yes, I know tankers do this as well, but that's not a viable 'day job' either due to expense.)

If they increased the range (or at least decreased dispersion) significantly on the HMG, it might then be reasonable to make hop out/hop a less viable tactic in the way you suggest.

You know what is "cheap"... getting killed by an AR in MY optimal range when I started shooting first. By your logic, the AR should get hit with the nerf bat.
EDIT: BTW why should a heavy have to use a light weapon to be competitive? That is wrong on more levels than I could list in a lifetime

An ongoing issue, or raher issues, that have been my main gripe with Dust is slowly diminnished patch by patch. I am talking about what I and many other "protostomping wannabe elite players with inflated ego" have experienced as noob friendly mechanics. Prime examples of these are the LLAV nerf, the Flaylock nerf, the MD nerf due to better LOS weapon hit detection and now recently the FG blast radius nerf.

I've said it before and I say it again, getting killed in a 200K proto suit due to some skilless scrub exploiting a cheap mechanic isn't any fun at all.... There was a time when I felt that 9 of 10 deaths I had wasn't deserved at all. Lately not so much, not even close. Dying by a militia AR getting the drop on you, simply getting outgunned or dying to an enemy blob due to too aggressive play is all ok and should be expected.

So the TTK is reduced by 1.6 and many players used to being carried by more EHP and DPS has just lost a little of that crutch and situational awareness, fast reflexes and superior aim has never been more important. I am not a direct fan of the new TTK, a little too fast IMO, but nothing game breaking. It might be a deliberate act to tap people faster for expensive suits in an attempt to cure the economy, I don't really care.

Conclusion:

If the current line of development continues, Dust will become a true competitve FPS sometime in the future. I am very positive towards the current trend of development in this regard, though it could always go faster...

There are however more stuff that needs to be done, to reduce what I call "cheap deaths", if you have more suggestions please bring em forth and I'll update the OP.

- Nades, and especially their spammability needs a serious nerf.
- The AI turret aim is just simply insane and needs to be toned down.
- Exit and enter time for fatsuits with LAVs needs to increase. Its just too easy to drive an unkillable LAV and pop out, kill a dude and pop back in again. Two "scrubby russian players" have done this for, well ever, in EU ambush. Its hard, next to impossible to counter, I'd like to see these players perform without this huge benefit.

So CCP, moving slowly in the right direction, keep it up.

What weapon do you use and are you running a 20 M SP, 200 K isk setup?

The heavies needs to use a light weapon in open areas because the heavy laser hasn't come yet, simply speaking. Its not a
terrible huge investment to skill into a Glu-5....

And yes I do agree about a general AR nerf, except it then should include the Scr Ars and the new weapon.... I made a thread some time ago asking for the 10% damage boost (the one we got due to the removal of the weaponry skill) to get dropped for ARs but not for the other weapons.

I did not mention any general balancing issues due to this being a thread about cheap deaths.

what makes you or anyone else think that ccp won't nerf the AR like every other time it's been op in the past it just takes them awhile.


the sad truth is the AR is not above being nerfed, no weapon is.

I
I use heavy weapons have prof 3 on both and no i dont run proto because its a waste of isk for no benefit what so ever. I specced heavy to use heavy weapons, not to make a an AR user with more hp. I have both shields and armor at lvl 5 and use complex plate just to survive long enough to *maybe* kill things in my optimal.

So not even a maxed weapon?

When I run into any good and decently specced heavy in CQC, I'm normally dead before I can even turn around. If you can't be effective in CQC with the HMG, its mostly your own fault IMO.

Right that extra 6% makes all the difference... all you have to do in CQC is strafe dance and you will win 90% of the time. If you stand still thats on you but the HMG will almost never kill a moving target before the heavy is dead

I've said it before and I say it again, getting killed in a 200K proto suit due to some skilless scrub exploiting a cheap mechanic isn't any fun at all....

At least the time to kill has improved a bit. It may feel a bit like cod right now, but if you compare the two you will see that cod is much much worse in regards to time to kill. It's just insane over there in cod. If someone were to even look at you wrong, you are already dead.

An ongoing issue, or raher issues, that have been my main gripe with Dust is slowly diminnished patch by patch. I am talking about what I and many other "protostomping wannabe elite players with inflated ego" have experienced as noob friendly mechanics. Prime examples of these are the LLAV nerf, the Flaylock nerf, the MD nerf due to better LOS weapon hit detection and now recently the FG blast radius nerf.

I've said it before and I say it again, getting killed in a 200K proto suit due to some skilless scrub exploiting a cheap mechanic isn't any fun at all.... There was a time when I felt that 9 of 10 deaths I had wasn't deserved at all. Lately not so much, not even close. Dying by a militia AR getting the drop on you, simply getting outgunned or dying to an enemy blob due to too aggressive play is all ok and should be expected.

So the TTK is reduced by 1.6 and many players used to being carried by more EHP and DPS has just lost a little of that crutch and situational awareness, fast reflexes and superior aim has never been more important. I am not a direct fan of the new TTK, a little too fast IMO, but nothing game breaking. It might be a deliberate act to tap people faster for expensive suits in an attempt to cure the economy, I don't really care.

Conclusion:

If the current line of development continues, Dust will become a true competitve FPS sometime in the future. I am very positive towards the current trend of development in this regard, though it could always go faster...

There are however more stuff that needs to be done, to reduce what I call "cheap deaths", if you have more suggestions please bring em forth and I'll update the OP.

- Nades, and especially their spammability needs a serious nerf.
- The AI turret aim is just simply insane and needs to be toned down.
- Exit and enter time for fatsuits with LAVs needs to increase. Its just too easy to drive an unkillable LAV and pop out, kill a dude and pop back in again. Two "scrubby russian players" have done this for, well ever, in EU ambush. Its hard, next to impossible to counter, I'd like to see these players perform without this huge benefit.

So CCP, moving slowly in the right direction, keep it up.