... TM.

Hey CCP, you should sticky this post and then just change the placeholders with each iteration:

We have been hearing that version [#].[#] changes to [stamina/sprint speed/jump height//hitbox growth/"hit detection"/AA/KBM/latency/range/hp nerf/scout suit contempt/Heavy contempt/anything != Med AR contempt] have made the AR a little OP. Our devs think they may have spotted the issue and are working hard to resolve this. In fact we have a whole dev whose time is 100% dedicated to look like he is working on it every release.

What makes Dust 514 so unique is the endless possibility of diversity! However, New Eden is a brutal and harsh place, and while we allow the possibility of diversity, we also want to make a RL truth resonate: Being different is bad. HTFU.

Anyway we will be releasing new changes (TM) in version [#].[#++] that may or may not fix it.

While we realize that other game developers will pick up on what was supposed to make this game so great: the ability to be proficient in anything, the high HP and non-twitch nature, the idea of leveling skills and customizing fittings/vehicles, the non-pay-to-win/play structure etc... we sincerely hope they are not actually able to execute it better than we could. However, you should be comforted to know that in the spirit of HTFU, we will just have to deal with the loss of our user base. Go in peace, your non-AR ass can go somewhere else.

This is basically the feeling I get when reading troll posts from Devs and the lack of response on critical issues being posted by multiple people..

Are you sure you didn't copy and paste this from a dev on IRC ?

In case you didn't notice, assault rifles are the all purpose backbone of any military. (In terms of ground forces, now days they just drop expensive bombs from planes)

Why?
Because AR's are versatile.
So OF COURSE you see them the most, what did you expect, everyone to run around with shottys and knives?

Once all four AR's drop into the game, they will probably have an equal footing in terms of % of use, and that will kill any argument for "diversity".


Now, to the HD thing:
All direct damage weapons now became fricking powerful as ****.
I really suggest an accross the board eHP buff, or at least damage nerf to all direct fire weapons. (Including SMG's, SCR's, AR's, and whatever else that I can't think of right now)

In case you didn't notice, assault rifles are the all purpose backbone of any military. (In terms of ground forces, now days they just drop expensive bombs from planes)

Why?
Because AR's are versatile.
So OF COURSE you see them the most, what did you expect, everyone to run around with shottys and knives?

Once all four AR's drop into the game, they will probably have an equal footing in terms of % of use, and that will kill any argument for "diversity".


Now, to the HD thing:
All direct damage weapons now became fricking powerful as ****.
I really suggest an accross the board eHP buff, or at least damage nerf to all direct fire weapons. (Including SMG's, SCR's, AR's, and whatever else that I can't think of right now)

In case you didn't notice, assault rifles are the all purpose backbone of any military. (In terms of ground forces, now days they just drop expensive bombs from planes)

Why?
Because AR's are versatile.
So OF COURSE you see them the most, what did you expect, everyone to run around with shottys and knives?

Once all four AR's drop into the game, they will probably have an equal footing in terms of % of use, and that will kill any argument for "diversity".


Now, to the HD thing:
All direct damage weapons now became fricking powerful as ****.
I really suggest an accross the board eHP buff, or at least damage nerf to all direct fire weapons. (Including SMG's, SCR's, AR's, and whatever else that I can't think of right now)

Hey I'm an infantryman in the 82nd ars are used to take precise slow shots not fire all over the place. If you just want to shoot a gun you use a m249 or m240. Which ones better m240 and guess what compared to dust the m240 is the hmg but it doesn't kill so your logic is flawed shut up scrub. Rifles are NOT the backbone of the military they are just the cheapest..... scrub

Hey I'm an infantryman in the 82nd ars are used to take precise slow shots not fire all over the place. If you just want to shoot a gun you use a m249 or m240. Which ones better m240 and guess what compared to dust the m240 is the hmg but it doesn't kill so your logic is flawed shut up scrub. Rifles are NOT the backbone of the military they are just the cheapest..... scrub

Hey I'm an infantryman in the 82nd ars are used to take precise slow shots not fire all over the place. If you just want to shoot a gun you use a m249 or m240. Which ones better m240 and guess what compared to dust the m240 is the hmg but it doesn't kill so your logic is flawed shut up scrub. Rifles are NOT the backbone of the military they are just the cheapest..... scrub

In case you didn't notice, assault rifles are the all purpose backbone of any military. (In terms of ground forces, now days they just drop expensive bombs from planes)

Why?
Because AR's are versatile.
So OF COURSE you see them the most, what did you expect, everyone to run around with shottys and knives?

In case you didn't notice, assault rifles are the all purpose backbone of any military. (In terms of ground forces, now days they just drop expensive bombs from planes)

Why?
Because AR's are versatile.
So OF COURSE you see them the most, what did you expect, everyone to run around with shottys and knives?

Once all four AR's drop into the game, they will probably have an equal footing in terms of % of use, and that will kill any argument for "diversity".


Now, to the HD thing:
All direct damage weapons now became fricking powerful as ****.
I really suggest an accross the board eHP buff, or at least damage nerf to all direct fire weapons. (Including SMG's, SCR's, AR's, and whatever else that I can't think of right now)

Sigh...
I honestly expected people here to have more than 2 brain cells.
It doesn't matter what happens in real life, the AR is supposed to be a versatile weapon, and people prefer to be good at everything than amazing at one thing.
So of course you see them the most.

People who go specialized wreck stuff within their "jurisdiction" so to say, but beyond that they will be beaten by general purpose weapons.

... TM.

Hey CCP, you should sticky this post and then just change the placeholders with each iteration:

We have been hearing that version [#].[#] changes to [stamina/sprint speed/jump height//hitbox growth/"hit detection"/AA/KBM/latency/range/hp nerf/scout suit contempt/Heavy contempt/anything != Med AR contempt] have made the AR a little OP. Our devs think they may have spotted the issue and are working hard to resolve this. In fact we have a whole dev whose time is 100% dedicated to looking like he is working on it every release.

What makes Dust 514 so unique is the endless possibility of diversity! However, New Eden is a brutal and harsh place, and while we allow the possibility of diversity, we also want to make a RL truth resonate: Being different is bad. HTFU.

Anyway we will be releasing new changes (TM) in version [#].[#++] that may or may not fix it.

While we realize that other game developers will pick up on what was supposed to make this game so great: the ability to be proficient in anything, the high HP and non-twitch nature, the idea of leveling skills and customizing fittings/vehicles, the non-pay-to-win/play structure etc... we sincerely hope they are not actually able to execute it better than we could. However, you should be comforted to know that in the spirit of HTFU, we will just have to deal with the loss of our user base. Go in peace, your non-AR ass can go somewhere else.

I just got anally raped in this last pc battle to these scrambler and assault rifles. It ******* kills me inside to not be able to compete anymore. I can't see myself playing much longer if this continues. My entire area of specialization has been rendered moot. This kinda reminds me of the core flaylocks. What happened to those guns, they are gone because they are useless. This is going to make all other weapons useless. These ******* assault rifles are absurd with their damage. Single shot scrambler rifles are even worse, they're like the TAC's from a couple months ago. No competition.

Great thread, went 11 posts before the name calling. Expected a little more class from someone who serves. If you are actually in the military, remember what you represent. Especially when using your military status and unit to make a point.

In case you didn't notice, assault rifles are the all purpose backbone of any military. (In terms of ground forces, now days they just drop expensive bombs from planes)

Why?
Because AR's are versatile.
So OF COURSE you see them the most, what did you expect, everyone to run around with shottys and knives?

Once all four AR's drop into the game, they will probably have an equal footing in terms of % of use, and that will kill any argument for "diversity".


Now, to the HD thing:
All direct damage weapons now became fricking powerful as ****.
I really suggest an accross the board eHP buff, or at least damage nerf to all direct fire weapons. (Including SMG's, SCR's, AR's, and whatever else that I can't think of right now)

Yep, gonna take a little break til lthey fix this.

Just curious. I've been looking all over the forum and can't find it anywhere. Has CCP addressed how OP AR (and maybe other weapons too) are since the HD fixes? If so can you post a link as to what they have said/are planning to do about it?

They are fixing the AR by introducing the other racial assault rifles, otherwise there has been no comment

Again hoping for the next two patches of 1.8 and 1.9 for scout/heavies, I'll be playing dark souls again by then in preparation for dark souls 2

[quote=Cat Merc]In case you didn't notice, assault rifles are the all purpose backbone of any military. (In terms of ground forces, now days they just drop expensive bombs from planes)

People already spent their points on getting ARs as high as possible. It'll be the same as when they nerfed the Caldari Logistics suit; people will still primarily use it because they spent a metric ton of SP on it and would rather not start again at the bottom.

So, to summarize my ranting, New Eden should not have a jack of all trades(hopefully addressed in 1.7), the other racial's don't look too bright, and people will stay with what they have skilled into. Therefore, adding racials will be nice, but it won't solve problems inherant in the AR.

o look now its the real world is being used to justified why its over powerd
o yea in the real world a mini gun (hmg) has more range en the has more stopping power than a AR

Cat, the AR is a plasma gun that fires little bits of flaming sun at our foes to hurt them.

I really think that the "It's versatile in RL, why not in DUST" has been beaten to pieces.

The issue is that the AR is too versatile. You can kill 2 meters from you to 160 meters.

In RL that's a short distance, however given the size of map we have to play on, this basically can cover anywhere on the map with deadly effectiveness.

Something needs to change, which it has been, about how far it can grind foes into paste.

Interesting! Where did you hear about scout changes in 1.8 and 1.9? I'd like to read up on it. So they haven't acknowledged that the AR is super OP right now?

The m240 is a LMG not a HMG.

Interesting! Where did you hear about scout changes in 1.8 and 1.9? I'd like to read up on it. So they haven't acknowledged that the AR is super OP right now?

You can't assume that the only reason many people are using ARs is for its versatility. You need to look at the numbers as well.

That doesn't mean I disagree that it should be the jack of all trades and able to react to all situations in a moderately effective manner (which is its intended quality), but looking at the numbers and considering the accuracy and ease of use, it's clearly better than most other light weapons (and even a HEAVY weapon of the same intended role) in their specialized areas .

Hey I'm an infantryman in the 82nd ars are used to take precise slow shots not fire all over the place. If you just want to shoot a gun you use a m249 or m240. Which ones better m240 and guess what compared to dust the m240 is the hmg but it doesn't kill so your logic is flawed shut up scrub. Rifles are NOT the backbone of the military they are just the cheapest..... scrub

There is not supposed to be a jack of all trades in New Eden. Due to the heavily specialized nature of the other guns, the AR is more of a Queen or King of all Stats, depending on who you ask.

I disagree in principle. There should absolutely be a jack-of-all-trades weapon.

If you know the saying, a "jack of all trades" is also "master of none," meaning that an item trades dominance for versatility. That means that, in every situation, there should be at least one weapon class that beats the rifle* hands-down. However, outside of a niche weapon's prime circumstances, the rifle beats it fairly easily. The more a weapon dominates a niche, the more easily it's beaten outside of it. (Nova Knives are an extreme example: if you're within striking range it should dominate everything, because outside of striking range it is dominated by everything.) The reason rifles should be the weapons of choice is because they don't have to play in a specific niche.

However, current rifles are dominating in nearly every circumstance. They have better TTK than HMGs in real combat situations, range that nearly rivals LRs without the CQC weakness (to say nothing of drawing a straight line to where you're standing), and generally make killing easier than any other weapon in pretty much every circumstance. Their versatility comes at no expense, and that's a problem.

I think IWS gets close to this issue in his TTK post, although it doesn't specifically address weapon versus weapon balance as such.

* I use "rifle" to include assault/blaster, scrambler, combat, and rail rifles, but not sniper or laser rifles. I group them together because the different models are really only going to increase diversity within a very specific subset of weaponry. They all share the same general role on the battlefield, as an all-purpose weapon. Meaning they should all have roughly the same strengths and weaknesses against other weapon types (with some weaknesses mitigated and others enhanced slightly for each), and the variation is a matter of personal preference: "feel," preferred range of engagement, racism, etc. As a category, there shouldn't be substantial variation in how they balance against other weapon types.