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Draco Cerberus
Hell's Gate Inc
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Posted - 2013.11.11 23:49:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:...
I have similar complaints about how the matches are whether I am in a squad or not. Sometimes its the protos being OHK-ed rapidly and sometimes the militia fit guys. Doesn't matter which map or day. I feel this would more likely be solved by an Open world deployment to planets to duke things out though rather than tiericide or anything like that. As an eve player I can go roam around and find targets, I would love to be able to do this in Dust as well. More fun, less lobby, and more exploring. This would change the game, make it more into an MMO than a lobby based shooter which atm it clearly is. Think FFX mixed with COD and Eve, and you would have what I think would be an exceptional MMOFPS. Retaining the lobby for Planetary Conquest of districts may still be necessary but Faction Warfare, Null Sec and all other play styles are accommodated in this fashion already in Eve. It would be nice to see this game follow suit.
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Reno Pechieu
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2013.11.12 01:30:00 -
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I agree with OP and most others in this tread.
Most of the battles I have seen of late have been one sided, which is not fun either way.
Resulting in me playing with just blueprint militia stuff we get at the start; if IGÇÖm going to die fast at least I donGÇÖt need the extra aggravation of having to use ISK to resupply the stuff I lose and if our team is the clear winner, why push myself, itGÇÖs not like itGÇÖs going to matter and besides, it gives the other side a small glimmer of chance.
On rare occasions, I see that itGÇÖs going to be a even fight, and thatGÇÖs when I get to take out the stuff I invested SP to be able to use and have some fun
..but most of the time, IGÇÖm just bored.
I hope to see some decent matches on a regular basis.
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KalOfTheRathi
Nec Tributis
863
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Posted - 2013.11.12 01:34:00 -
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Says the AFK farmer. Weird.
Oh right, the triple SP requires actual WP. That explains everything. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
7044
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Posted - 2013.11.12 01:35:00 -
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KalOfTheRathi wrote:Says the AFK farmer. Weird.
Oh right, the triple SP requires actual WP. That explains everything.
Like I already explained in the OP
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Talos Vagheitan
183
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Posted - 2013.11.12 02:50:00 -
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https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=120621&find=unread
Although this thread was primarily about TTK, I believe I also have a way of improving the protostomping situation. Or at least make protstomping more difficult for certain players.
Who cares what some sniper has to say
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Vrain Matari
ZionTCD
Public Disorder.
1285
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Posted - 2013.11.26 13:34:00 -
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Talos Vagheitan wrote:Tiers aren't the cause of the pubstomping. If two full squads of good players Q-sync in a pub match, they will dominate the match regardless of gear.
This.
+1 Talos. Way too many peeps on the tiericide bandwagon, trying to solve a problem that belongs to the matchmaker. And for that they're willing to give up tiers and push us much closer to a generic vanilla shooter-for-the-masses.
If pub matches were restricted to militia gear the net impact of that change on pubstomping and the NPE would be: absolutely no change at all. Noobs would still get ground into pulp, and they'd make less ISK.
The answer is the NPE and education. The answer is the matchmaker. The answer is not turning DUST into yet another generic level-playing-field fair shooter. This game is hand-holding enough already.
I support SP rollover.
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Jadd Hatchen
Psygod9
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
69
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Posted - 2013.11.26 16:11:00 -
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Talos Vagheitan wrote:Tiers aren't the cause of the pubstomping. If two full squads of good players Q-sync in a pub match, they will dominate the match regardless of gear.
Honestly, the quickest and easiest "fix" that I think that the devs could do for this is to make it possible for ALL to "Q-synch" and thus both sides of all games will end up more likely to have full squads vs. full squads then. Right now the "stomping" is occurring not just because of the gear, but because the Q-synched guys are working together and thus being more effective (as intended). Thus they feel less risk averse and more likely to risk the more expensive gear and thus you get them using maxed out stuff cuz they know they have buddies willing to try and support them more than some random pubbie.
So if you allow ALL to do this, then you will see more teams of "proto-stompers" on both sides of the matches and thus "rebalance" the equation again.
It's really just another short-sighted thing from CCP where they realized that players want to work together in squads, but didn't take it to the next level as the players will always do. Just like originally there were no alliances in EVE, only corps and then when players started to make alliances, CCP added this stuff into the game.
So they just need a way to link squads into platoons and join matches as a platoon is all. Players are already doing it, but not all players are able to understand this and thus it creates an artificial advantage for the players willing to Q-synch. Simple solution is to give this advantage to ALL players and then no more advantage. |
Awry Barux
Paladin Survey Force
Amarr Empire
382
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Posted - 2013.11.26 21:39:00 -
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Bump for still a problem.
CCP, literally any acknowledgment of this issue would be nice, even if it's just one post somewhere, to say "yes, we are aware that matchmaking is making Dust not fun for the vast majority of players, and we're working on it."
If evidence is needed, let us know and a mountain of it will appear. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
7238
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Posted - 2013.11.26 21:50:00 -
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Awry Barux wrote:Bump for still a problem.
CCP, literally any acknowledgment of this issue would be nice, even if it's just one post somewhere, to say "yes, we are aware that matchmaking is making Dust not fun for the vast majority of players, and we're working on it."
If evidence is needed, let us know and a mountain of it will appear.
They actually did few hours ago 
"[FEEDBACK] Playing dust sometimes is more frustrating than fun - https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=119894&find=unread
Status: Events, matchmaking and NPE are all these things that combined make players frustrated, specially new ones. We are aware of this and are working on improving things."
Can be found here https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1534407#post1534407
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Awry Barux
Paladin Survey Force
Amarr Empire
382
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Posted - 2013.11.26 21:55:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Awry Barux wrote:Bump for still a problem.
CCP, literally any acknowledgment of this issue would be nice, even if it's just one post somewhere, to say "yes, we are aware that matchmaking is making Dust not fun for the vast majority of players, and we're working on it."
If evidence is needed, let us know and a mountain of it will appear. They actually did few hours ago "[FEEDBACK] Playing dust sometimes is more frustrating than fun - https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=119894&find=unreadStatus: Events, matchmaking and NPE are all these things that combined make players frustrated, specially new ones. We are aware of this and are working on improving things." Can be found here https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1534407#post1534407
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Jadek Menaheim
Xer Cloud Consortium
451
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Posted - 2013.11.27 06:04:00 -
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If you don't mind taking a little hit to your KDR, why not just go BPO and starter fit in pubs. It's incredibly profitable and has done wonders to actually improve my gun game and tactical knowledge. Plus, it undercuts the Pubstomper's bottom line as they receive less isk for the end of match due to the low value of equipment destroyed.
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Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
958
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Posted - 2013.11.27 06:09:00 -
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Jadek Menaheim wrote:If you don't mind taking a little hit to your KDR, why not just go BPO and starter fit in pubs. It's incredibly profitable and has done wonders to actually improve my gun game and tactical knowledge. Plus, it undercuts the Pubstomper's bottom line as they receive less isk for the end of match due to the low value of equipment destroyed.
I had fun doing that for the longest time, and then I realized with all the ISK these corps are raking in from PC they never have to worry about going negative in a pub. It did help me get really good though, once I started wearing advanced again I became a monster.
The Ellecon's come from a long line of Gallente. Tarn chose Peace. Tallen chose war.
SoonGäó514
CPM1 Candidate
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Roran Theron
Blood Mist and Bonechips
2
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Posted - 2013.11.27 12:06:00 -
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It's like this: The idea of Dust sounds really fun then you actually play it and deal with uneven matches or OVERPOWERED pay to win players and then you lose all hope for the game. |
Skullmiser Vulcansu
Paladin Survey Force
Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.12.11 03:59:00 -
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I am a relatively new player. I have played for less than 30 days. It is indeed frustrating to face players with a huge advantage. I don't want it changed, though. If this game was fun, and fair for everyone, and NOT frustrating, then I wouldn't play it. I would be bored of it. Instead, I always feel like I have something to prove to people. Anger keeps me focussed. It makes me play better. It makes salvaged prototype gear from enemies sweeter. If I was on even footing with everyone, then I wouldn't have maxed out my skill points each week. I wouldn't play this game as much as I have. I might be complacent, and that would be disgusting.
I like the system how it is. |
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