DUST Search - Seeking Input from EZ Mode

Shotty GoBang wrote:

EVE Time: 2013.11.07 01:20
Playmode: Ambush

Decided to queue for a quick solo Ambush before dinner.
Entered match underway vs Nyain San pubstompers.

Knew I was in for an arse-kickin' so I ran my tankiest Scout fit:

Scout GK.0 (~112k isk)

HS: Cmp Shield
LS: Enh Plates (x3), Cmp ArmRep
PW: K5 Specialist
SW: M209 Assault SMG
GR: Core Locus
EQ: A-19 Scanner

Shields - 153
Armor - 512
Movement - 5.06 m/s
Sprint - 7.44 m/s

Figured I'd play extra safe and sneaky.

Flanked hostiles. Snuck up behind Call-Me Lipton. Just the two us.
Emptied entire clip of M209 into back of his head while moving into Shotgun range.
I'm dead before firing second shotgun blast.
His Duvolle AR and ridiculous HP were too much for me to assassinate.

Flanked hostiles again. Snuck up behind Kaizuka Sniper. Just the two of us.
Changed tactics. Cooked Core Locus. Hit him nice and perfect.
Moved in with Shotgun as he spun around trying to find me.
He spots me as I close in and fire first blast ... he jumps backwards.
I'm dead to Duvolle AR fire before he hits the ground.
His Duvolle AR and ridiculous HP were too much for me to assassinate.

Sometimes I hate this game.

A Scout does everything right, just to be boned by an increasingly easier EZ Mode.
I shouldn't have to armor tank my Scout to drop something I sneak up behind.
The fact that we Scouts currently have to is utter bullkittens.
The fact that I lost these two fights -- even after defiling my Scout -- is disgusting.

This should never have happened. This "QQ" post should not exist.

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Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 2021	Posted - 2013.11.07 02:02:00 - [1] - Quote EVE Time: 2013.11.07 01:20 Playmode: Ambush Decided to queue for a quick solo Ambush before dinner. Entered match underway vs Nyain San pubstompers. Knew I was in for an arse-kickin' so I ran my tankiest Scout fit: Scout GK.0 (~112k isk) HS: Cmp Shield LS: Enh Plates (x3), Cmp ArmRep PW: K5 Specialist SW: M209 Assault SMG GR: Core Locus EQ: A-19 Scanner Shields - 153 Armor - 512 Movement - 5.06 m/s Sprint - 7.44 m/s Figured I'd play extra safe and sneaky. Flanked hostiles. Snuck up behind Call-Me Lipton. Just the two us. Emptied entire clip of M209 into back of his head while moving into Shotgun range. I'm dead before firing second shotgun blast. His Duvolle AR and ridiculous HP were too much for me to assassinate. Flanked hostiles again. Snuck up behind Kaizuka Sniper. Just the two of us. Changed tactics. Cooked Core Locus. Hit him nice and perfect. Moved in with Shotgun as he spun around trying to find me. He spots me as I close in and fire first blast ... he jumps backwards. I'm dead to Duvolle AR fire before he hits the ground. His Duvolle AR and ridiculous HP were too much for me to assassinate. Sometimes I hate this game. A Scout does everything right, just to be boned by an increasingly easier EZ Mode. I shouldn't have to armor tank my Scout to drop something I sneak up behind. The fact that we Scouts currently have to is utter bullkittens. The fact that I lost these two fights -- even after defiling my Scout -- is disgusting. This should never have happened. This "QQ" post should not exist.
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 2021	Posted - 2013.11.07 02:03:00 - [2] - Quote Here's where you come in, EZ Mode ... Please explain where I went wrong in the above scenarios. I'm all ears.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe PC RISE of LEGION 1886	Posted - 2013.11.07 02:07:00 - [3] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: held You can't judge anything from Nyain San in pubs. They are the greatest in FPS history in pubs
Funkmaster Whale Whale Farm 1064	Posted - 2013.11.07 02:10:00 - [4] - Quote You're just going to have to live with the fact that CCP doesn't care. ARs, Nades, Forge Guns, and MDs are the name of the game. No room for anything else. Let me play you the song of my people!
Patrick57 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 1282	Posted - 2013.11.07 02:14:00 - [5] - Quote Are any of the current CPMs Scouts? I'd imagine that CCP listens to them at least as much as they listen to everyone (me included ^_^) that runs a Medium Suit. Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself. -Mark Twain :D
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1473	Posted - 2013.11.07 02:14:00 - [6] - Quote My advice when against nyain San, either run starter fits and pray you don't get smashed into the ground, or just leave the match and reque "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle
Patrick57 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 1282	Posted - 2013.11.07 02:17:00 - [7] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: My advice when against nyain San, either run starter fits and pray you don't get smashed into the ground, or just leave the match and reque I was running quick Ambushes the other day, and 7/10 of the matches I queued into were against THE AMAZING POTHEAD and his crew. One was even against DELTA Blitzkreig and zBroadway -_- Thank goodness I was running my Militia Scout with a Shotgun :D Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself. -Mark Twain :D
ReGnYuM Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1245	Posted - 2013.11.07 02:18:00 - [8] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: EVE Time: 2013.11.07 01:20 Playmode: Ambush Decided to queue for a quick solo Ambush before dinner. Entered match underway vs Nyain San pubstompers. Knew I was in for an arse-kickin' so I ran my tankiest Scout fit: Scout GK.0 (~112k isk) HS: Cmp Shield LS: Enh Plates (x3), Cmp ArmRep PW: K5 Specialist SW: M209 Assault SMG GR: Core Locus EQ: A-19 Scanner Shields - 153 Armor - 512 Movement - 5.06 m/s Sprint - 7.44 m/s Figured I'd play extra safe and sneaky. Flanked hostiles. Snuck up behind Call-Me Lipton. Just the two us. Emptied entire clip of M209 into back of his head while moving into Shotgun range. I'm dead before firing second shotgun blast. His Duvolle AR and ridiculous HP were too much for me to assassinate. Flanked hostiles again. Snuck up behind Kaizuka Sniper. Just the two of us. Changed tactics. Cooked Core Locus. Hit him nice and perfect. Moved in with Shotgun as he spun around trying to find me. He spots me as I close in and fire first blast ... he jumps backwards. I'm dead to Duvolle AR fire before he hits the ground. His Duvolle AR and ridiculous HP were too much for me to assassinate. Sometimes I hate this game. A Scout does everything right, just to be boned by an increasingly easier EZ Mode. I shouldn't have to armor tank my Scout to drop something I sneak up behind. The fact that we Scouts currently have to is utter bullkittens. The fact that I lost these two fights -- even after defiling my Scout -- is disgusting. This should never have happened. This "QQ" post should not exist. Just make sure I got this right... Attempt One: Had opponent flanked. Decided to us a SMG(Secondary) against a shield tanker Gave away advantage Got turned on ... LoLz Attempt Two: Had opponent flanked Decided to cook a nade against a shield tanker Pefect nade yet not OHK ? Gave away advantage Got turned On ... LoLz Oh BTW you have more EHP then my Assault suit Can any scout or smart player explain what you would of done different. This community is about helping people after all If you never heard of ReGnYuM, you're neither Good or Relevant in Dust 514. KDR > EVERYTHING
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 2024	Posted - 2013.11.07 02:22:00 - [9] - Quote Look, it's RegNums. I was hoping you'd come. Both of these players were running Gallente Logistics. Still very much looking forward to your "How to Scout" training videos. I'll share 'em with the guys. You must have so many tips for us.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 689	Posted - 2013.11.07 02:27:00 - [10] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: My advice when against nyain San, either run starter fits and pray you don't get smashed into the ground, or just leave the match and reque None Just use The Almighty Forge Gun There there Mr. Scout and Ms. Heavy, don't cry You'll still be useful in my eyes

Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1475	Posted - 2013.11.07 02:31:00 - [11] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: My advice when against nyain San, either run starter fits and pray you don't get smashed into the ground, or just leave the match and reque I was running quick Ambushes the other day, and 7/10 of the matches I queued into were against THE AMAZING POTHEAD and his crew. One was even against DELTA Blitzkreig and zBroadway -_- Thank goodness I was running my Militia Scout with a Shotgun :D That's what I do when I'm bored or feel like trolling, MLT scout with sg, knives knives and REs, just start dropping REs and go nutz "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle
Patrick57 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 1286	Posted - 2013.11.07 02:34:00 - [12] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: My advice when against nyain San, either run starter fits and pray you don't get smashed into the ground, or just leave the match and reque I was running quick Ambushes the other day, and 7/10 of the matches I queued into were against THE AMAZING POTHEAD and his crew. One was even against DELTA Blitzkreig and zBroadway -_- Thank goodness I was running my Militia Scout with a Shotgun :D That's what I do when I'm bored or feel like trolling, MLT scout with sg, knives knives and REs, just start dropping REs and go nutz I can't fit REs on my Militia Scout, I like Militia Kin Cats better :) Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself. -Mark Twain :D
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2273	Posted - 2013.11.07 02:37:00 - [13] - Quote Uhm... THIS maybe? u+Élop s-¦ -Äll+Én-ç+ö+É
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 882	Posted - 2013.11.07 02:56:00 - [14] - Quote Live with the fact that Japanese connection is at least 20x faster than yours ( and at least 50 than mine D:). Add the "being good" factor. Welcome to any FPS. An unstoppable force of Rainbows. - First love-quitter in the history of video games.
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 2031	Posted - 2013.11.07 03:14:00 - [15] - Quote xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: Live with the fact that Japanese connection is at least 20x faster than yours ( and at least 50 than mine D:). Add the "being good" factor. Welcome to any FPS. Played against Nyain San in numerous PC battles. Some of best matches PHI has had the pleasure of fighting. I have no ill-will toward Nyain San; its members are worthy of respect. This thread is not a rant about pubstomping, latency, or Nyain San. This thread is about either reigning in EZ Mode or making other Modes viable against it.
THUNDERGROOVE ZionTCD Public Disorder. 1218	Posted - 2013.11.07 03:44:00 - [16] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: Here's where you come in, EZ Mode ... Please explain where I went wrong in the above scenarios. Nothing Shotty GoBang wrote: Please explain why the current state of weapon/suit balance is "OK" with you. It's not okay with me Shotty GoBang wrote: Please explain why your ARs should not be adjusted or nerfed. It should be, my KD/r has gone up .07 since I started using ARs and I suck. Shotty GoBang wrote: Please explain why your ARs owning Shotguns (and HMGs) in CQC is acceptable and balanced. ARs will be fine if the range is cut by 20 meters and the damage is adjusted by .75 across the board. Scouts need more speed IMO the shotgun is fine. Shotty GoBang wrote: Please explain why you should survive sneak attacks from behind. Especially those involving Shotguns. Only if your aim is bad. Otherwise I should be dead. (Unless standard shotgun against my proto suit) What is a signature?
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 2033	Posted - 2013.11.07 03:57:00 - [17] - Quote By some strange magic ... The next match I played (after dinner) was vs another Nyain San pubstomp squad. Snuck up on Milkman, undetected. Blasted him twice in range with K5. Gunned down by his AR before I could place third shot. He was also running Slayer Logi + Duvolle. The very following match was vs the very same pubstompers in original post! 3 pubstomps vs Nyain San, back-to-back! Teach me to queue solo. Needless to say, I backed out of the 3rd match. ^ See RegNums, I can learn. I is can be smarts like you.
Icedslayer SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 142	Posted - 2013.11.07 04:54:00 - [18] - Quote I laugh whenever i kill a logi/assualt hiding behind all there shields and armor. Its like a ugly chick that cakes on way to much makeup, deep down your still ugly . But instead of ugly, there just sh@t at FPS's and need that extra health to actually get a kill. As for the AR its pathetically easy to use, i mean seriously back in Chromo i put 3 levels into it, only unlocking the Gek and no skills into light weapon upgrades and i had my highest game yet with it, 64-4 in a scout suit. In this build i unlocked the Duvoulle about three weeks ago and i find the weapon even easier to use then i did in Chromo. I'll play a few match's with it, then switch to my Imperial scrambler or back to my Dual SMG, Because the weapons just too easy to use and gets boring fast. One of the biggest issues i have with the game (so big i stopped playing until its fixed) is the Ferroscale bug/glitch which increases the movement speed of the user. The worst i've seen of this abuse is a logi literally strafing twice as fast of a Mim Scout and jumping twice as high as i can, combine that with the OP AR and you have a Armor/Speed tanked machine that tanks almost 4 times the damage because of the strafe speed. Until I see a Clear commitment from CCP to fix the scouts speed and strafe as well as other areas, and a re-address to the logi class (your there for support not to be better slayers than the suits your suppose to be supporting). I will not be playing the game until then. Gotta love getting a PS4 in a week So CCP Will i be booting my PS3 back up come 1.7 release or will the theme of "Must bow down and please AR Medium Suit " continue? The ball is in your court, so please don't F#ck Up
Protocake JR Spyders Inc. 910	Posted - 2013.11.07 04:57:00 - [19] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: By some strange magic ... The very next match I played (after dinner) was vs a different Nyain San pubstomp squad. Snuck up on Milkman this time, undetected. Blasted him twice in the side with K5 Shotgun. Gunned down by his AR before I could land third shot. Just like his brothers, he was running Slayer Logi + Duvolle AR. The very following match was vs the very same pubstompers in original post! 3 pubstomps vs Nyain San, back-to-back! Teach me for trying to play a quick Ambush :-( Needless to say, I backed out of the 3rd match. ^ See guys, I can learn. I is can be smarts like you, RegNums. Yeah dude, i'm not too convinced. It almost sounds like you engaged outside of your optimal range. And for someone to be able to turn around and gun you down before you can get off a third shot leads me to believe you either: hesitated, lost your bead on the target, and/or failed to strafe in order to avoid damage. Also, I know what you are not trying to highlight latency/netcode issues when playing against players from a different region, however you cannot discount these issues just because you want ARs to be nerfed. Poor netcoding and foreign players probably had a bigger contribution to your demise than the fact he was using an AR.
IgniteableAura Pro Hic Immortalis 316	Posted - 2013.11.07 06:07:00 - [20] - Quote Solution: Feed your Moobs PHI Recruitment or PHIsh Tank in game Twitch

Kasote Denzara A Vulture 701	Posted - 2013.11.07 06:23:00 - [21] - Quote Go to the Europe servers. People there have decency at least. I go commando in my Commando. Feels good, man.
Cass Caul 247	Posted - 2013.11.07 07:06:00 - [22] - Quote What Reg said was pretty good. Either get rid of that SMG for a Scrambler Pistol or make sure to start with the shotgun first. You were using the SMG in the wrong way. Either peg people a few times and get them to chase you around a corner, or wait till they drop their shields. You probably could have gotten the kill on the first if you got the shotgun on him first at optimal range (That's 5m... or pretty much touching him for those unaware) to do 110%. Then the SMG with it's bonus to armor. Try swapping out that third plate for a complex kin cat. you reduce armor to 404 but the speed can help you get in close. Also, the AR has the same percentages as the Shotgun, 110% to shields, 90 to armor. If/when you're hurting for CPU, drop that complex shield to a basic. Mass Driver, Sniper Rifle, and Plasma Cannon are the Light Weapons that deal more damage to Armor. The second time, if you dropped that grenade on him, you should have kept your distance, since optimal shotgun range would have put you in the grenades radius, and finished him with the SMG. +Éß¦ëddGêÇ -çou -Äll+É-çoGö¦
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 2053	Posted - 2013.11.07 07:14:00 - [23] - Quote Protocake JR wrote: Yeah dude, i'm not too convinced. It almost sounds like you engaged outside of your optimal range. And for someone to be able to turn around and gun you down before you can get off a third shot leads me to believe you either: hesitated, lost your bead on the target, and/or failed to strafe in order to avoid damage. Also, I know what you are not trying to highlight latency/netcode issues when playing against players from a different region, however you cannot discount these issues just because you want ARs to be nerfed. Poor netcoding and foreign players probably had a bigger contribution to your demise than the fact he was using an AR. Your post makes alot of sense. Thank you. I'd like to dissect your points and point out problems, not with your logic, but as it applies to balance (specific to this particular Proto Scout vs Proto Logi engagement). Point A) It almost sounds like you engaged outside of your optimal range. Engagement began in "perfect" range ... not too close, not too far. My approach vector on the other hand wasn't ideal; I was to his right and slightly behind, rather than directly behind. Either way I was undetected, in my optimal range, and alone with my target. Pretty good odds for a shotgunner. Point B) And for someone to be able to turn around and gun you down before you can get off a third shot leads me to believe you either: hesitated, lost your bead on the target ... An 1000HP Slayer Logi will require -- at minimum -- 3 full seconds to kill using an Advanced Shotgun. That's plenty of time for him to respond to a "surprise" shotgun attack. Herein lies the balance issue. Nothing should walk away from "surprise" shotgun attack (unless the shotgunner misses). Never happens with HMG Heavies. Why should it with EZ Mode? Point C) ... and/or failed to strafe in order to avoid damage. Perhaps I should switch to KB/M. In my Scoutly experience, DS3 strafing versus an AR or ScR in close quarters yields added lifespan measured in tenths of a second. DS3 strafing helps substantially in evading low RoF weapons; it protects little against high RoF weapons in close quarters (even as a Scout). Point D) Also, I know what you are not trying to highlight latency/netcode issues when playing against players from a different region, however you cannot discount these issues just because you want ARs to be nerfed. Poor netcoding and foreign players probably had a bigger contribution to your demise than the fact he was using an AR Latency/netcode is a really good point. As for nerfing the AR, I'd rather see CCP focus on close quarter combat mechanics as a whole, with specific focus on HMGs, SGs, ARs and ScRs.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4127	Posted - 2013.11.07 07:20:00 - [24] - Quote Lol AR is so last month. SCR is much better and it's getting 30 meters more range come 1.7. *Oculus Felis Semper Vigilant* *Beta Vet* *Level 4 Forum Warrior*
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 330	Posted - 2013.11.07 07:30:00 - [25] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Lol AR is so last month. SCR is much better and it's getting 30 meters more range come 1.7. True, but AR still has no recoil. My Toxin AR can probably outdps my ADV AScR due to it being on target all the fricking time. Given some damage mods. +¦-damage specialist since Sep ´13. CCP please make our decisions matter. "AR 514. Core Locus 514. Bricktank 514."
Rei Shepard Spectre II 824	Posted - 2013.11.07 07:33:00 - [26] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: EVE Time: 2013.11.07 01:20 Playmode: Ambush Decided to queue for a quick solo Ambush before dinner. Entered match underway vs Nyain San pubstompers. Knew I was in for an arse-kickin' so I ran my tankiest Scout fit: Scout GK.0 (~112k isk) HS: Cmp Shield LS: Enh Plates (x3), Cmp ArmRep PW: K5 Specialist SW: M209 Assault SMG GR: Core Locus EQ: A-19 Scanner Shields - 153 Armor - 512 Movement - 5.06 m/s Sprint - 7.44 m/s Figured I'd play extra safe and sneaky. Flanked hostiles. Snuck up behind Call-Me Lipton. Just the two us. Emptied entire clip of M209 into back of his head while moving into Shotgun range. I'm dead before firing second shotgun blast. His Duvolle AR and ridiculous HP were too much for me to assassinate. Flanked hostiles again. Snuck up behind Kaizuka Sniper. Just the two of us. Changed tactics. Cooked Core Locus. Hit him nice and perfect. Moved in with Shotgun as he spun around trying to find me. He spots me as I close in and fire first blast ... he jumps backwards. I'm dead to Duvolle AR fire before he hits the ground. His Duvolle AR and ridiculous HP were too much for me to assassinate. Sometimes I hate this game. A Scout does everything right, just to be boned by an increasingly easier EZ Mode. I shouldn't have to armor tank my Scout to drop something I sneak up behind. The fact that we Scouts currently have to is utter bullkittens. The fact that I lost these two fights -- even after defiling my Scout -- is disgusting. This should never have happened. This "QQ" post should not exist. Set your region to the one your from only, dont play games with players where your latency is most likely 300-500 ms, if they have 0.2-0.5ms reaction speeds, they might see you and start aiming at you before you pull that trigger, then they insta return fire and insta gib you, or so it seems from your end. You also seem to love to give away your location. I see them from time to time on an EU server, like Milkman, nothing special when they don't hold the homefield advantage of 500ms precognitions, just Imp SCR food. I rather wait 1 minute longer for my match to start and be on a home server, then having to play with a disadvantage in ping times or like you do leave a match. Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!"
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 330	Posted - 2013.11.07 07:34:00 - [27] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Oh BTW you have more EHP then my Assault suit Can any scout or smart player explain what you would of done different. This community is about helping people after all AR crutch, much? +¦-damage specialist since Sep ´13. CCP please make our decisions matter. "AR 514. Core Locus 514. Bricktank 514."
Shutter Fly Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 93	Posted - 2013.11.07 08:34:00 - [28] - Quote I feel (most of) your pain Shotty. It's ridiculous how quickly I'm getting gunned down by ARs and ScRs at <10m, and I've been running a M/1 assault with a proto shotgun. You would think that if I manage to get within 5m of an AR with minimal damage, then I should be able to kill them first a vast majority of the time, but apparently that doesn't seem to be the case. I've run a proto shotty with 2 complex DMs, and still failed to OHK Cal assaults at optimal range, yet I have been killed by Duvolles at >25m in less time that it takes me to take two shots. You can tell shotgun and SMG users to "flank more/better" all you want, but it doesn't really matter when you literally get only one shot before you are seen and killed by the AR/ScR master race. Sure, I can flank around and get behind the enemy, maybe get a kill or two, but as soon as that first AR turns around and looks at me I can't run, I can't kill him before he kills me, and hiding will only delay the inevitable.
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 655	Posted - 2013.11.07 08:50:00 - [29] - Quote Cass Caul wrote: What Reg said was pretty good. Either get rid of that SMG for a Scrambler Pistol or make sure to start with the shotgun first. You were using the SMG in the wrong way. Either peg people a few times and get them to chase you around a corner, or wait till they drop their shields. You probably could have gotten the kill on the first if you got the shotgun on him first at optimal range (That's 5m... or pretty much touching him for those unaware) to do 110%. Then the SMG with it's bonus to armor. Try swapping out that third plate for a complex kin cat. you reduce armor to 404 but the speed can help you get in close. Also, the AR has the same percentages as the Shotgun, 110% to shields, 90 to armor. If/when you're hurting for CPU, drop that complex shield to a basic. Mass Driver, Sniper Rifle, and Plasma Cannon are the Light Weapons that deal more damage to Armor. The second time, if you dropped that grenade on him, you should have kept your distance, since optimal shotgun range would have put you in the grenades radius, and finished him with the SMG. Shotty, in that situation I also would have started with the shotgun (not sure if you could in all cases if some targets were moving). When executing a proto suit I need to get reliable headshots with the scrambler pistol: usually 3 in quick succession so they can't react. With a shotgun if it wasn't a breach w/ damage mods, I'd have to go for the headshot..... or two at the most. I wouldn't dream of taking on a target like this when I was alone unless: 1.) He/She was alone 2.) They were stationary or almost stationary 3.) I had a super high alpha damage weapon and was going for a head shot; pretty much ONLY the S.G. to the head, scram pistol to the head, nova knives, maybe charged scrambler rifle headshot.... As for your other points on suit/AR balance, I'd like to hear some more medium frame AR users chime in as well.
Acturus Galaxy duna corp 161	Posted - 2013.11.07 09:09:00 - [30] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: EVE Time: 2013.11.07 01:20 Playmode: Ambush Decided to queue for a quick solo Ambush before dinner. Entered match underway vs Nyain San pubstompers. Knew I was in for an arse-kickin' so I ran my tankiest Scout fit: Scout GK.0 (~112k isk) HS: Cmp Shield LS: Enh Plates (x3), Cmp ArmRep PW: K5 Specialist SW: M209 Assault SMG GR: Core Locus EQ: A-19 Scanner Shields - 153 Armor - 512 Movement - 5.06 m/s Sprint - 7.44 m/s Figured I'd play extra safe and sneaky. Flanked hostiles. Snuck up behind Call-Me Lipton. Just the two us. Emptied entire clip of M209 into back of his head while moving into Shotgun range. I'm dead before firing second shotgun blast. His Duvolle AR and ridiculous HP were too much for me to assassinate. Flanked hostiles again. Snuck up behind Kaizuka Sniper. Just the two of us. Changed tactics. Cooked Core Locus. Hit him nice and perfect. Moved in with Shotgun as he spun around trying to find me. He spots me as I close in and fire first blast ... he jumps backwards. I'm dead to Duvolle AR fire before he hits the ground. His Duvolle AR and ridiculous HP were too much for me to assassinate. Sometimes I hate this game. A Scout does everything right, just to be boned by an increasingly easier EZ Mode. I shouldn't have to armor tank my Scout to drop something I sneak up behind. The fact that we Scouts currently have to is utter bullkittens. The fact that I lost these two fights -- even after defiling my Scout -- is disgusting. This should never have happened. This "QQ" post should not exist. As others have mentioned, your problem is starting with SMG while the opponent has his shields up. The same thing happens if I try to use the M209 on my logi or proto medium tanked frame against another proto opponent. I would recommend running with AR/SMG as you apparently was unable to get close enough to start with the shotgun. The AR quickly takes down their shields while you move in closer and switch to SMG to take down the armor. You must have done something wrong, because I am often killed by scouts when I am in my gal proto logi. I do not see them coming in from behind and get slaughtered by two shotgun shots, a melee punch or by knova knives. And also you should get in close quickly, I usually win the encounter if I in my proto logi manages to keep them at 5-10 meters distance. Get up closer and I cannot track you with my AR, and the AA will not work either. As a proto logi, I recommend that you either keep your distance trying to wear me down with a longer distance weapon, or get up really close before engaging. The logi has low stamina and is slow, I cannot run away from you, cannot catch you as you run around corners. Trying to strafe 1v1 against a damage mod stacked duvolle is not healthy.



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