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Posted - 2013.11.14 01:00:00 -
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:Cat Merc wrote:What most people fail to realize that when people say "logi is OP", they don't mean that logi is simply a better fighter. It's that they're pretty much the same as the assault (with a few swaps, like less speed but more eHP) BUT get 3-4 equipment slots. When people stack plates and extenders in these threads to show that logis aren't that far ahead eHP wise, they fail to realize that stacking plates and extenders is not the best of suits. Here are my logi and assault suits, each are designed to push it to the maximum, I have been tweaking my suits for ages and these are the optimal one's I found: Note: I have CPU/PG skills maxed, I could not push this suit further.
Gallente Assault: High: Complex damage mod Complex shield extender Complex damage mod
Low: Basic plate Basic plate Enhanced armor rep Enhanced armor rep
Weapons: GEK 38 Assault rifle Syndicate SMG
Grenade: M1 Locus
Equipment: Allotek Nanohive
Armor: 449 Shield: 217 Combined: 666 (huehuehue) Damage bonus (skills not included): 20% Regen rate: 7.5hp/s Movement speed: 4.81 Sprint speed: 7.08 Stamina: 157.50 Stamina regen: 15.75
Not bad right?
Now let's look at the Gallente logi: High: Complex damage mod Complex damage mod Complex shield extender
Low: Enhanced ferroscale plate Basic plate Basic plate Basic plate Enhanced Cardiac regulator
Weapon: Duvolle Assault Rifle
Grenade: M1 Locus
Equipment: Wiyrkomi Triage hives Wiyrkomi Triage hives A-86 active scanner Ishukone Gauged hive
Shield: 181 Armor: 560 Combined: 741 Damage bonus (skills not included): 25% (I could fit a duvolle on my logi, which has +5% damage over a gek) Regen rate: 5hp/s (Inherent logi regen) Movement speed: 4.54 m/s Sprint speed: 6.67m/s Stamina: 198.19 Stamina regen: 22.89
Conclusion: Seems pretty legit right? The logi has more damage, more eHP, more stamina and more stamina regen for the price of speed and a sidearm right? Oh wait, but that would only be legit if both were combat focused suits, I.E both have one equipment. But the logi has 4 equipment slots, making it far far more verastile and just a better deal overall. Especially with the 6x triage hives I fit on my logi, I am ******* invincible inside one of those. Low on health? Plop a triage hive, return to battle faster than shields can recharge. I also couldn't fit a scanner on my assault, making me much more blind. Also, I could fit a kin cat instead of a regulator to be even faster than my assault, but I prefer the sustainability that regulators provide.
How I think this should be solved: Two problems that I see here: 1. Logis get 5hp/s on armor inherent, which allows me to give up on a armor rep and put on an extra plate, increasing the eHP gap further. HOWEVER CCP said they will change it once they have the infastracture to do it (something about the code doesn't allow them to put on a more logi orientated bonus)
2. The CPU/PG gap is just damn too high. Could solve it by either reducing the CPU/PG on logis, forcing them to decide on either being a combat suit or a logi suit, not both, OR increasing the CPU/PG on the assault. (Should also buff the scout CPU/PG and heavy CPU/PG if this is done, just to be fair) lets not forget scouts! the minmatar scout mk.0 has a measly 230 cpu.
Your argumentation based upon a purely statistically focused understanding of the suits doesnGÇÖt give an accurate picture. The PG and CPU of a Logi is supposed to be higher than an assault. To compare the to together is ludicrous. The inherent armor reaping bonus goes to greater survivability of the logi as they are being pelted on the from lines. Whihc in my mind this makes sense. To loose that, would incite a community wide scream for a respect, which is already bad enough with the vehicle changes that are inbound.
HTFU and adapt. And as for the comparison, I noticed that you only did it with one race. This being said, the generalization from on specific comparison goes to delude those reading this thread. I would recommend a more comprehensive comparative analysis before pushing further with this thread.
I for one know that my Amarr logi is at a distinct disadvantage when compared to the greater majority of other suits, but I still seem able to survive in the field. |