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Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.11.06 13:38:00 -
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Has anyone else encountered this, attacking someone as a scout and getting nades (not one but many) tossed at you.
Seems weird to me, why not just shoot me if you've seen me, pretty much a free kill and you save a nade for bigger guys.
Actually sometimes they don't even bother shooting.....
Just weird. 
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja.
Forum Warrior level 1
Fix my class already
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Kasote Denzara
A Vulture
688
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Posted - 2013.11.06 13:40:00 -
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It usually takes 3+ people to take me down as a standard scout, so I know where this is coming from. It's gotten really bad lately.
I go commando in my Commando. Feels good, man.
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Grimmiers
0uter.Heaven
Proficiency V.
312
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Posted - 2013.11.06 13:41:00 -
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Was playing on my scout alt yesterday. Had one merc I failed to sneak up on cook 4 nades without shooting me. Three of them missed...
Then again I should've just rushed him multiple times so it's my fault.
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Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe PC
RISE of LEGION
894
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Posted - 2013.11.06 13:42:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:Has anyone else encountered this, attacking someone as a scout and getting nades (not one but many) tossed at you. Seems weird to me, why not just shoot me if you've seen me, pretty much a free kill and you save a nade for bigger guys. Actually sometimes they don't even bother shooting..... Just weird.
This is part of the larger nade spam trend we've been seeing lately. For many guys it seems like there first response to seeing anyone is to throw a grenade. What they don't seem to understand (at least not the new players) is that in the 5-6 seconds it takes you to cook that grenade to all but ensure an easy kill I can kill you with any of the weapons in my arsenal. With the extremely low TTK we've had since 1.5 it is silly to assume that you'll with by chucking a grenade.
Throwing a grenade at a scout is perhaps the least useful time to use a grenade since they are flimsy and can easily move away.
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
Kleenex Inc.
1258
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Posted - 2013.11.06 13:51:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:Has anyone else encountered this, attacking someone as a scout and getting nades (not one but many) tossed at you. Seems weird to me, why not just shoot me if you've seen me, pretty much a free kill and you save a nade for bigger guys. Actually sometimes they don't even bother shooting..... Just weird.
The grenade situation is completely out of control.
Level 1 forum warrior.
Minmatar and Gallente fw.
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
1365
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Posted - 2013.11.06 13:54:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Sinboto Simmons wrote:Has anyone else encountered this, attacking someone as a scout and getting nades (not one but many) tossed at you. Seems weird to me, why not just shoot me if you've seen me, pretty much a free kill and you save a nade for bigger guys. Actually sometimes they don't even bother shooting..... Just weird. The Core Locus grenade situation is completely out of control. fixed.
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IVIaster LUKE
Shadow Company HQ
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Posted - 2013.11.06 14:03:00 -
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Sorry to go off topic but, I've been using that cheap "Thale" BPO scout drop suit lately. What's the deal with its scan profile?
Did it miss the nerf hammer on scan profile?
"If you can dodge a Wrench, you can dodge a Duvolle".
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
666
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Posted - 2013.11.06 14:09:00 -
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Why are you surprised? Did you log in to play DUST? Lol
Everyone knows this game is now Grenadier 514
There there Mr. Scout and Ms. Heavy
You'll still me useful in my eyes
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Roy Ventus
Foxhound Corporation
General Tso's Alliance
556
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Posted - 2013.11.06 14:15:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:Has anyone else encountered this, attacking someone as a scout and getting nades (not one but many) tossed at you. Seems weird to me, why not just shoot me if you've seen me, pretty much a free kill and you save a nade for bigger guys. Actually sometimes they don't even bother shooting..... Just weird.
It's more common than you think. Big corps use it, small corps use it, and so on. I don't really care for it but if I'm in a situation where I'm probably effed if don't spam a grenade, I do it. |
IVIaster LUKE
Shadow Company HQ
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Posted - 2013.11.06 14:16:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Why are you surprised? Did you log in to play DUST? Lol
Everyone knows this game is now Grenadier 514
666 likes? You know the Iron Maiden fan in me likes seeing that!
P.s. I would give you a like but, I'll wait and be 668 
"If you can dodge a Wrench, you can dodge a Duvolle".
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Coleman Gray
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
906
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Posted - 2013.11.06 14:28:00 -
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Because people have no gun game and resort to nades before anything else.
If Preparation is half of the battle and knowing is the other half, Then there is no need to fight.
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Justice Prevails
Eyniletti Rangers
Minmatar Republic
71
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Posted - 2013.11.06 14:31:00 -
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If I know I'm definitely going to die, i will throw nades. Paying for them and can't take them with me. Might not get the guy who killed me, but it might get a red dot in the area or help one of my teammates.
If I don't see a scout until he is on top of me, throwing a nade is my natural reaction because I know I'm ****ed. If I see him early enough, I switch to smg and start hopping:-)
Getting killed by a scout with the shotgun never upsets me, because they are so cool to watch. Most skill intensive roll in the game.
Great job, team. Head back to the MCC for debriefing and cocktails.
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Himiko Kuronaga
The Generals
EoN.
2171
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Posted - 2013.11.06 14:31:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Sinboto Simmons wrote:Has anyone else encountered this, attacking someone as a scout and getting nades (not one but many) tossed at you. Seems weird to me, why not just shoot me if you've seen me, pretty much a free kill and you save a nade for bigger guys. Actually sometimes they don't even bother shooting..... Just weird. The Core Locus grenade situation is completely out of control. fixed.
Even a regular locus has the potential of one shotting most medium frames.
As long as it explodes over the person, and not under them, it gets a 200% damage modifier on top of the already glitched out additional bonus damage to armor.
With a core locus, it just guarantees it. |
Meeko Fent
Expert Intervention
Caldari State
1405
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Posted - 2013.11.06 14:33:00 -
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Yup.
My med frame has noticed also.
Shoot them down to like 4 health, he cooks a grenade and throws it at the last minute and instablaps me.
Happens to ME rarely.
But I am a med frame assault scrub, and therefore my opinion is invalid.
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
1368
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Posted - 2013.11.06 15:01:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Sinboto Simmons wrote:Has anyone else encountered this, attacking someone as a scout and getting nades (not one but many) tossed at you. Seems weird to me, why not just shoot me if you've seen me, pretty much a free kill and you save a nade for bigger guys. Actually sometimes they don't even bother shooting..... Just weird. The Core Locus grenade situation is completely out of control. fixed. Even a regular locus has the potential of one shotting most medium frames. As long as it explodes over the person, and not under them, it gets a 200% damage modifier on top of the already glitched out additional bonus damage to armor. With a core locus, it just guarantees it.
I'm a armour tanker, and you are right that any locus can mess you up if close enough(as it should be)
The problem is the large explosive radius on the core. |
Krom Ganesh
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
565
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Posted - 2013.11.06 15:05:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:Has anyone else encountered this, attacking someone as a scout and getting nades (not one but many) tossed at you. Seems weird to me, why not just shoot me if you've seen me, pretty much a free kill and you save a nade for bigger guys. Actually sometimes they don't even bother shooting..... Just weird.
They are probably just interested in seeing how many grenades are needed to directly hit the scout without the explosion damaging them to kill a scout suit.
I'm betting 2... perhaps one with a headshot. |
pdiddy anfama
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
69
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Posted - 2013.11.06 15:07:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:Has anyone else encountered this, attacking someone as a scout and getting nades (not one but many) tossed at you. Seems weird to me, why not just shoot me if you've seen me, pretty much a free kill and you save a nade for bigger guys. Actually sometimes they don't even bother shooting..... Just weird.
Have to use nade sometimes because those little evil scouts are having hit detection problems. Cooked grenades solve those problems. |
Shotty GoBang
Pro Hic Immortalis
2001
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Posted - 2013.11.06 15:38:00 -
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My nade strikes first. 
... unless it bounces off of something ... returned to sender.  |
Llast 326
An Arkhos
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Posted - 2013.11.06 15:41:00 -
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I have been chased by tanksGǪ multiple tanksGǪ after just meGǪ. why? |
Krom Ganesh
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
565
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Posted - 2013.11.06 15:45:00 -
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Llast 326 wrote:I have been chased by tanksGǪ multiple tanksGǪ after just meGǪ. why?
A few days ago I saw three tanks go after a sniper by driving into the hilly region he was sniping from. It was hilarious. The sniper even manged to run away from them. |
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Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.11.06 15:47:00 -
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Llast 326 wrote:I have been chased by tanksGǪ multiple tanksGǪ after just meGǪ. why?
They need every kill they can get before tanks are nerfed again after 1.7?
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja.
Forum Warrior level 1
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Jake Bloodworth
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
222
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Posted - 2013.11.06 15:49:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:Has anyone else encountered this, attacking someone as a scout and getting nades (not one but many) tossed at you. Seems weird to me, why not just shoot me if you've seen me, pretty much a free kill and you save a nade for bigger guys. Actually sometimes they don't even bother shooting..... Just weird.
I came to this thread expecting to see scouts tossing nades... |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
Public Disorder.
1176
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Posted - 2013.11.06 16:27:00 -
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more often then not scouts use shotguns, and at close range ar's tend to blue shield even if it's a direct hit.
so ya grenade the **** out of them. |
Aaroniero d'Lioncourt
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
258
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Posted - 2013.11.06 16:32:00 -
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This is also another form of panic button. It used to be just the jump button/key... |
Zahle Undt
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
404
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Posted - 2013.11.06 17:18:00 -
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I've experienced a lot of the opposite where every scout I fight (if they can't shotgun you in the back) its they jump and toss a grenade, every damn time it seems. So in my experience lately its scouts starting many of the snowball fights. |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514
Turalyon Alliance
4655
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Posted - 2013.11.06 17:36:00 -
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It's not just playing as a scout.
If someone is losing a gunfight to you, they spam their grenades. Often, they just spam grenades without even bothering with their gun.
Uncooked grenades on their own aren't particularly annoying, but when you have two or three thrown at you EVERY SINGLE TIME you start shooting someone, it really starts to be a pain.
Level 4 Forum Warrior
Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
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Niuvo
NECROM0NGERS
722
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Posted - 2013.11.06 17:48:00 -
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Dude an adv lt frame was naded in front of me. it was painful to watch because I've been there plenty of times.
Do somethinga about grenades already!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Justice Prevails
Eyniletti Rangers
Minmatar Republic
75
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Posted - 2013.11.06 18:25:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:It's not just playing as a scout.
If someone is losing a gunfight to you, they spam their grenades. Often, they just spam grenades without even bothering with their gun.
Uncooked grenades on their own aren't particularly annoying, but when you have two or three thrown at you EVERY SINGLE TIME you start shooting someone, it really starts to be a pain.
If you are beating me in a gunfight, or I am outnumbered, outgunned or outtanked, of course I am going to nade you. There is no bonus for dying with honor. My job is to kill you by whatever means necessary. Even if it is by the grenades that I pay for and lose upon death. Use them or lose them.
Great job, team. Head back to the MCC for debriefing and cocktails.
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Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
1648
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Posted - 2013.11.06 18:31:00 -
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Panic 'nades, ENGAGE!
Check out & sub my youtube. Yay!
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Scheherazade VII
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Posted - 2013.11.06 18:34:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:Has anyone else encountered this, attacking someone as a scout and getting nades (not one but many) tossed at you. Seems weird to me, why not just shoot me if you've seen me, pretty much a free kill and you save a nade for bigger guys. Actually sometimes they don't even bother shooting..... Just weird.
NOPE. Shotgun scouts need nades, as demonstrated in my video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOQ34_lxc_I
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514
Turalyon Alliance
4656
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Posted - 2013.11.06 18:35:00 -
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Justice Prevails wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:It's not just playing as a scout.
If someone is losing a gunfight to you, they spam their grenades. Often, they just spam grenades without even bothering with their gun.
Uncooked grenades on their own aren't particularly annoying, but when you have two or three thrown at you EVERY SINGLE TIME you start shooting someone, it really starts to be a pain. If you are beating me in a gunfight, or I am outnumbered, outgunned or outtanked, of course I am going to nade you. There is no bonus for dying with honor. My job is to kill you by whatever means necessary. Even if it is by the grenades that I pay for and lose upon death. Use them or lose them.
So? I don't have a problem with people using a tool available to them. I have a problem with the tool being available.
It is not fun gameplay when every time you start to kill someone you have to suddenly deal with three nuclear snowballs.
Level 4 Forum Warrior
Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
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Justice Prevails
Eyniletti Rangers
Minmatar Republic
75
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Posted - 2013.11.06 18:44:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Panic 'nades, ENGAGE!
That feeling of panic is one the reasons I enjoy this game. You just won a 1 on 1, health is low, you start to relax a little then:
Noooooooo! Shotgun scout in your face. Where the **** did he come from? (I usually ask this as I'm respawning).
I guess dropping a nade is the game equivalent of dropping a deuce. :-)
Great job, team. Head back to the MCC for debriefing and cocktails.
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Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
2632
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Posted - 2013.11.06 18:52:00 -
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It's just way too easy to switch to your grenade and back to your weapon.
In fact we change our sidearms and other **** way too quickly in this game. 1 second to pull out my submachine gun, lol really? what universe is this?
The newer the berry the dumber the juice.
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8213
Grade No.2
548
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Posted - 2013.11.06 19:05:00 -
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Lately, all I get from Scouts is them cooking nades and going on suicide missions.
Because often DUST Player Logic is, "Well, I can't shoot him quick enough, so I'll just use a grenade..."
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Shotty GoBang
Pro Hic Immortalis
2011
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Posted - 2013.11.06 19:56:00 -
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8213 wrote:Lately, all I get from Scouts is them cooking nades and going on suicide missions.
Because often DUST Player Logic is, "Well, I can't shoot him quick enough, so I'll just use a grenade..."
Assuming Scout's TTK is at or under 0.5 seconds:
Target HP > 3 Shotgun Blasts = Low odds of Scout success
Target HP = 1 Surprise Nade + 1 Shotgun Blast = Greater odds of Scout success |
Luk Manag
of Terror
TRE GAFFEL
154
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Posted - 2013.11.06 21:10:00 -
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The grenade whining is getting out of hand. You guys think the ideal encounter is a group of mercs lined up shoulder to shoulder followed closely by a group of logis? Tired of being killed by grenades, trade a few of your damage mods for shield extenders. Solved. |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
2293
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Posted - 2013.11.06 21:14:00 -
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Everyone gets grenade spammed not just scouts
Funnily enough that fraction of a second they take to throw a grenade gives me just enough time to secure a kill and high tail it out of there if all they do is grenade spam to defend
Im not drunk, the planet just happens to be especially wobbly today.
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Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.11.06 21:29:00 -
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Luk Manag wrote:The grenade whining is getting out of hand. You guys think the ideal encounter is a group of mercs lined up shoulder to shoulder followed closely by a group of logis? Tired of being killed by grenades, trade a few of your damage mods for shield extenders. Solved.
Not complaining I just find it strange.
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja.
Forum Warrior level 1
Fix my class already
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Dunk Mujunk
RestlessSpirits
227
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Posted - 2013.11.06 21:47:00 -
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I'll use a grenade on a scout if I get the jump on him from behind. I'll also use a grenade on almost anyone if i'm starting to run low on my clip and want to reload. I seem to have less luck with grenades against heavies and high HP assaults/logis, so i'm less inclined to use grenades against those classes. I generally save my grenades for groups of reds and things like doorways/hallways.
I personally don't think grenades are that bad right now, other than those times when a perfectly cooked/thrown grenade does absolutely no damage. But I haven't played much since 1.6 hit, so maybe that's been changed. Don't get me wrong, I die to grenades all the time. But more often than not, it's either cause I got froggy and ran up into a whole mess of reds when I should have held back, or chased someone blindly around a corner when, again, I should have held back, or if someone just flat out nails me with a perfect throw, which I can't really complain about. And I do run an assault suit, i'm sure that helps.
The nade spam thing with the nanohives, or at a supply depot, is pretty annoying, but I don't see it to much. I don't know if it's a problem in PC, for the most part in pubs if the opposing team beat you with the nade spam, they were probably going to beat you anyway.
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Luk Manag
of Terror
TRE GAFFEL
154
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Posted - 2013.11.06 22:22:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:Luk Manag wrote:The grenade whining is getting out of hand. You guys think the ideal encounter is a group of mercs lined up shoulder to shoulder followed closely by a group of logis? Tired of being killed by grenades, trade a few of your damage mods for shield extenders. Solved. Not complaining I just find it strange.
My bad then, I just misunderstood the tone. There's a pattern that CCP follows; if more than a couple people speak out against grenades, then grenades will get the nerf hammer. I'm just worried that the grenades will be double-nerfed, reduced AOE and damage, to the point they wouldn't work to scare someone out of cover, or discourage a shotgun scout from charging. |
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Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
1926
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Posted - 2013.11.06 22:29:00 -
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Luk Manag wrote:Sinboto Simmons wrote:Luk Manag wrote:The grenade whining is getting out of hand. You guys think the ideal encounter is a group of mercs lined up shoulder to shoulder followed closely by a group of logis? Tired of being killed by grenades, trade a few of your damage mods for shield extenders. Solved. Not complaining I just find it strange. My bad then, I just misunderstood the tone. There's a pattern that CCP follows; if more than a couple people speak out against grenades, then grenades will get the nerf hammer. I'm just worried that the grenades will be double-nerfed, reduced AOE and damage, to the point they wouldn't work to scare someone out of cover, or discourage a shotgun scout from charging.
Trust me I'm the last one to say an explosive needs a nerf.
Anyone who knows me personally knows why
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja.
Forum Warrior level 1
Fix my class already
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Verek Locusti
Closed For Business
For All Mankind
3
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Posted - 2013.11.06 23:30:00 -
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8213 wrote:Lately, all I get from Scouts is them cooking nades and going on suicide missions.
Because often DUST Player Logic is, "Well, I can't shoot him quick enough, so I'll just use a grenade..."
You're on a suicide mission as soon as you spawn in a scout suit, why not toss a few nades before you go down? |
pseudosnipre
DUST University
Ivy League
335
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Posted - 2013.11.06 23:49:00 -
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Had a medium frame fastball a grenade at my scout last night...the resultant killfeed said roadkill. |
Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.11.24 22:24:00 -
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Bump
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja.
Forum Warrior level 2
A grunt of STB
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