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Kaze Eyrou Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 390	Posted - 2013.11.06 04:48:00 - [1] - Quote Back in the day, I was curious about the lore of the game and decided around the end of 2011 or the opening of 2012 to check out the lore if there was any. Back then, many of the Fiction section was blank, aside from the pictures and a few titles. However, upon check recently, I found that they have been expanded on. Stranded had a couple parts and I think this was even commented on, but it seems that most of the community (aside from those who Role Play or read a lot of the EVE fiction) missed it. But don't worry, apparently, we're not the only one's confused: Quote: Sarum was pensive for a brief moment, seated at the table in regal diplomatic posture, her hands forming a small triangle on the edge of the table. She cleared her throat. Her cheeks looked sunken and sallow. Droplets of sweat pearled on her forehead. "If you don't believe me," she said presently, "then answer me this: has the number 514 played into any of your lost cases?" The atmosphere in the room sharpened perceptibly. Heth leaned back in his chair and crossed his arms. At length he began to speak. "It's been happening since the beginning," he said. "At first we thought it was localized to a particular place. Our first two cases came from the same barracks. We thought it was something a few of them had seen on joint operations. Some kind of graffiti they'd seen during a traumatic moment on Caldari Prime." Sarum was staring at him intently. "Then it started popping up everywhere," Heth continued. "Always the same." "Blood-red skies, strange beings, and the number 514, often written in blood," said Shakor. Heth looked at him, eyebrows raised. Roden showed no expression, but his eyes darted back and forth between the two men. "Exactly that," said Heth. Empress Sarum nodded. Read on further and you'll find out that the previous clones, you know, the one's we saw when we first opened the game? Well those were the first immortal soldiers. Templar One was simply the "first successful" clone. One's where they didn't gone insane and write "514" on the walls. There's more but I can't find the links at the moment. But basically, Asteros and Stratios are names drawn from mythology (I want to say Greek? can't remember right now). But someone blogged about it and put some things together along with the help of a CCP individual (somewhere on Twitter, again, part of the links I can't find atm) and concluded that he couldn't wait for "Sisters of Eve battleships". One of the names being "Nestor". A quick Google search and you'll find a video I stumbled across from the test server: a battleship on the test servers named "Nestor". (Note: the model is just a placeholder, so don't get your hopes up ) So what does this all mean? Tinfoil speculation time: I think that we are seeing something really big. Many people missed the news that Dust is no longer exclusive. Also, there was something discovered when asked about EVE Valkyrie, CCP Games chief marketing officer David Reid said "we havenGÇÖt confirmed what weGÇÖre going to launch it on." It's something that I would love to see happen that would rock the game industry. What's that game industry? World of what again? That's nice. World implies one. Welcome to EVE Online. Where you ability to challenge is not limited by networks or hardware. Where your victories have meaning that can make real world headlines. Where you can face different people on different sides of the planet in real time. Welcome to Universal Conflict. Even having said that, there are some crazy tough challenges ahead. For one, CCP is a small publisher and doesn't have the manpower of some of the bigger companies I THINK (note the bold, italicized, and underlined words that solidify my "perspective speculation" aka "educated guess" aka "pulled out of my **"). Core mechanics are still being worked on and tweaked. Hell, even current technology needs to evolve farther than what it is today (thinking of internet communications, ahem* need I say PLANETARY CONQUEST?) Beyond that, there has to be the demand for it in order for CCP to supply it. Otherwise, they won't work toward other platforms (Dust for the PC, and Xbox; Valkyrie for Consoles, etc). Not to mention strict guidelines that has stifled that creativity (thanks Microsoft). takes off Tinfoil hat In any case, from the looks of it currently, it looks like there will be a long journey to find out what "514" means beyond the "May 14th release date". TL;DR: I CAN DREAM HAROLD.
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1498	Posted - 2013.11.08 00:11:00 - [2] - Quote Dang, that's some serious stuff A mighty +1 for compiling all of this :D "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 4717	Posted - 2013.11.08 00:13:00 - [3] - Quote Kaze, you're such a nerd. Level 4 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
Kaze Eyrou Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 395	Posted - 2013.11.11 06:27:00 - [4] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Kaze, you're such a nerd. A level 4 Forum Warrior calling me a nerd?
VAHZZ The dyst0pian Corporation 129	Posted - 2013.11.11 06:41:00 - [5] - Quote put the tinfoil hat back on...CCP might hear you!.. The merc with a mouth - beware of random bouts of insanity! i should make an Everything Nixon Corp
boba's fetta Operation Clone Shield 115	Posted - 2013.11.11 06:57:00 - [6] - Quote epic was hoping for a soe bs.
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 161	Posted - 2013.11.11 07:14:00 - [7] - Quote rock the industry in 5-10 years.......... ccp really needs to buff its dev team numbers, it doesn't matter how good they are, they got a tiny team working on a HUGE project, I am certainly not expecting anything earth shattering for years.
Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 954	Posted - 2013.11.11 07:21:00 - [8] - Quote Loving the information, thank you! However it is not the meaning of 514, it is the relevance. The clones who went mad scrawled 514 repeatedly on walls with blood of anything they could find! But 5-1-4? What does it mean? I mean not even all the developers know! The pen is mightier than the sword The gun is mightier than both
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 4859	Posted - 2013.11.11 07:23:00 - [9] - Quote Kaze Eyrou wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Kaze, you're such a nerd. A level 4 Forum Warrior calling me a nerd? ... Oh, right. Level 4 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 1963	Posted - 2013.11.11 07:40:00 - [10] - Quote Is it just me, or does anyone else see the connection between 514 and the Prophecy of Macaper? Especially the sixth event. "..things that some people frankly don't even get the chance to do in real life, because it's poorly designed." -Veigar

Denak Kalamari Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 583	Posted - 2013.11.11 07:47:00 - [11] - Quote Good speculation, however, you did not really explain what the 514 could actually mean from a lore perspective, which I have been trying to decipher ever since I started roleplaying here. And I do have to note that your speculation about the first immortal clones is a little confusing. Did you mean the first generation clones who were all Amarr Templars, or the Sleepers we originally extracted the implants from? I'll also have to note that the bodies found on the trailer are Sleepers, and the facility the extraction team was in is in wormhole space, aka. Anoikis. The trailer implies that the team sent out into the Sleeper facility wasn't the first, or that they were aware of its existence before. They seemed to be looking specifically for clone storage pods(or whatever that thing the body was in is) and it wasn't the first they found because they said: "This one seems to be intact", and the fact that they were called an extraction team implies that they weren't the first there, or didn't stumble upon it randomly. I would speculate that Caldari or Amarr found some Sleeper record that pointed towards this facility which held some undescribed technology in clone storage pods that would change New Eden. As for what 514 means, or why the first generation clones went insane in the first place? [tinfoilhat] Reading the Stranded chronicles, and the last section from the Speaks and Walks chronicle reveal something crucial to us. The whole 514 disorder isn't actually gone. You see, in Stranded, some consciousness is talking to Balac in all the chronicles, telling him where to go and what to do, sometimes giving him cryptic proverbs and descriptions. I assume this consciousness is part of the Kilm'ach mentioned at the start of Stranded part 3, or a Sleeper in the very least. Then in the Speaks and Walks chronicle, there is a section that is most interesting: Speaks and Walks wrote: Sometimes - in blessed, sacred moments - he is alone, part of nothing and beholden to no one. The rest of the time, he is living the life of some other being that inhabits him, with no solitude and nothing but a haze of constant motion, like a puppet being yanked on by its strings. During his lucid moments, he feels like he's being wielded by some other creature, in battle and daily life. When he opens his mouth, he truly does not know whether the words that come out - if he can bring himself to speak at all - will make any sense to him. When he walks, he doesn't know whether he may turn, or stop, or fall to his knees. He is rapidly becoming useless, a weapon wielded only for show. At most he can move and blink and breathe - the rest of his existence belongs to a force that he does not understand. His dreams are of other places, and incorporate memories he knows he did not used to have. Then further on in the chronicle, there is a crucial line of text: Speaks and Walks wrote: Those he encounters on a daily basis may ask him questions, and he will answer to the best of his ability, but for the most part he simply tries to do his job properly. Their voices are the only ones he hears; the one in his head is gone, at last. I think that every single clone soldier has a Sleeper consciousness in them, which is causing this 514 disorder. It has not been eradicated as Sarum said, it has only become milder as new generations(Codex, Chromosome, Uprising etc.) have been created. I think that these implants have a Sleeper consciousness in them is because a long time ago, when Sleepers were still alive, something horrible happened, possibly a disease(not the Jovian disease, Sleepers splintered off the Jove long before that) and their whole race was in the verge of extinction. As a last ditch effort to continue their existence, they created the Sleeper implant was created, which allowed them to remain in a forever state of hibernation. All implants would be connected to each other, and the consciousnesses inhabiting them would live together as a hive mind of sorts, living in a virtual reality. When the empires discovered these implants and started making them for their own use, the Sleeper consciousnesses were also transferred for these implants. The Sleepers had possibly discovered a way to reverse their condition, and saw the empires using these implants as an opportunity to possibly save their race. So they started guiding Balac, the Traveler to old Sleeper facilities which would be crucial to fixing the Sleeper condition. The Stranded chronicles were never finished, so I do not know what happened to Balac(CCP, get back to writing them!). Regardless, whatever happened to Balac, it was not enough and the Sleepers continued trying to guide people from the implants the empires were manufacturing. But with each new implant, the connection to the mercenary using it grew weaker, being only occasional voices in their heads, or flashes of things that the mercenaries had never experienced. The blood-red skies, Sleeper virtual reality. Strange beings, Sleepers living in the virtual reality trying to establish contact with the clone soldiers. Number 514 is a little trickier, but I think it has something to do with this Sleeper condition. Perhaps 514 was the original amount of people who were affected by this condition, or perhaps it is the number of people who survived the condition and started living in the virtual reality. [/tinfoilhat] What do you think? Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 1799	Posted - 2013.11.11 07:50:00 - [12] - Quote Dammit. I came here hoping for an answer. Good write up nonetheless.
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 349	Posted - 2013.11.11 07:57:00 - [13] - Quote It's called Obfuscation. A quite boring thing really. There is no answer because they can change it at the drop of a hat, if design says so. Meaning you could guess precisely what the current meaning of the number is, but CCP would then change it because they wanted it to be "mystical" In other words, it's a rigged gamble. If you can read this, it means you are reading.
Heinz Doofenshertz BetaMax. 580	Posted - 2013.11.11 07:58:00 - [14] - Quote Not all of the Original batches are lost, and the Templars, the ones that escaped the purge are still gen 1. Mordu's gen 1's and 2's all Had the visions. Some of us are have not lost it, yet. Dust514 Stats, Have you updated today? I do maths, and sit in a corner.
Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 1965	Posted - 2013.11.11 08:01:00 - [15] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: It's called Obfuscation. A quite boring thing really. There is no answer because they can change it at the drop of a hat, if design says so. Meaning you could guess precisely what the current meaning of the number is, but CCP would then change it because they wanted it to be "mystical" In other words, it's a rigged gamble. Certainly hope this is not the case as I have spent many sleepless nights trying to figure out what it means. Ironically, I was researching the Sleepers. "..things that some people frankly don't even get the chance to do in real life, because it's poorly designed." -Veigar
Ninjanomyx Ancient Exiles 430	Posted - 2013.11.11 08:13:00 - [16] - Quote Treyarch already took 115. You're welcome
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 715	Posted - 2013.11.11 08:58:00 - [17] - Quote It's the attribute implant slots that were affected by the experiments: Slot 1 - Alpha - Ocular Filter: Perception Slot 2 - Beta - Memory Augmentation: Memory Slot 3 - Gamma - Neural Boost: Willpower Slot 4 - Delta - Cybernetic Subprocessor: Intelligence Slot 5 - Epsilon - Social Adaptation Chip: Charisma 5 for social adaptation 1 for perception 4 for intelligence processing The scientists messed with the relevant neural slots to develop mindless drones to do the bidding of the Amarrian Empire. It's telling what is left out that would make a person go insane. No memory (of who they are) and no Willpower (of their own). All they know is that they are forced to be able to communicate, think and perceive. Non-player clones are slaves. Player mercs plugged these attributes back in and can think for themselves. Don't think Charisma has anything to do with being a clone? Look at the skill requirements for Infomorph Psychology. Charisma and Willpower. Willpower was removed. Betcha a dolla! You heard it here first! If the pen is mightier than the sword, in a duel I'll let you have the pen! -Steven Wright
Denak Kalamari Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 586	Posted - 2013.11.11 09:14:00 - [18] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: It's the attribute implant slots that were affected by the experiments: Slot 1 - Alpha - Ocular Filter: Perception Slot 2 - Beta - Memory Augmentation: Memory Slot 3 - Gamma - Neural Boost: Willpower Slot 4 - Delta - Cybernetic Subprocessor: Intelligence Slot 5 - Epsilon - Social Adaptation Chip: Charisma 5 for social adaptation 1 for perception 4 for intelligence processing The scientists messed with the relevant neural slots to develop mindless drones to do the bidding of the Amarrian Empire. It's telling what is left out that would make a person go insane. No memory (of who they are) and no Willpower (of their own). All they know is that they are forced to be able to communicate, think and perceive. Non-player clones are slaves. Player mercs plugged these attributes back in and can think for themselves. Don't think Charisma has anything to do with being a clone? Look at the skill requirements for Infomorph Psychology. Charisma and Willpower. Willpower was removed. Betcha a dolla! You heard it here first! Clone soldiers get no training or skillbooks for Infomorph Psychology, your argument is invalid. And what does this have to do with Sleepers, 514 or anything else discussed in this thread? Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 351	Posted - 2013.11.11 11:50:00 - [19] - Quote I would laugh if it was meant to depict the number of High Slots, Equipment Slots, and Low Slots on a "legendary" dropsuit. If you can read this, it means you are reading.
Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 957	Posted - 2013.11.11 12:13:00 - [20] - Quote Vyzion Eyri wrote: Is it just me, or does anyone else see the connection between 514 and the Prophecy of Macaper? Especially the sixth event. what was many now becomes one when one becomes four 5 (manyish) - becomes 1 1 becomes 4 5 -> 1 1-> 4 5-1-4 how many of the gen1 are left? The pen is mightier than the sword The gun is mightier than both

Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 1968	Posted - 2013.11.11 12:25:00 - [21] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Vyzion Eyri wrote: Is it just me, or does anyone else see the connection between 514 and the Prophecy of Macaper? Especially the sixth event. what was many now becomes one when one becomes four 5 (manyish) - becomes 1 1 becomes 4 5 -> 1 1-> 4 5-1-4 how many of the gen1 are left? Was thinking along the lines of five things becoming one, when something else splits into four. The connection to DUST wouldn't be very recent though. If my research is correct the prophecies would have been fulfilled around YC109, and currently in New Eden it's YC115. So I thought it would be a reference to some past event (connected to the prophecy) that is related to DUST too. "When nothing is going your way, go out of your way to do nothing."
Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 959	Posted - 2013.11.11 12:29:00 - [22] - Quote Vyzion Eyri wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Vyzion Eyri wrote: Is it just me, or does anyone else see the connection between 514 and the Prophecy of Macaper? Especially the sixth event. what was many now becomes one when one becomes four 5 (manyish) - becomes 1 1 becomes 4 5 -> 1 1-> 4 5-1-4 how many of the gen1 are left? Was thinking along the lines of five things becoming one, when something else splits into four. The connection to DUST wouldn't be very recent though. If my research is correct the prophecies would have been fulfilled around YC109, and currently in New Eden it's YC115. So I thought it would be a reference to some past event (connected to the prophecy) that is related to DUST too. There is no evidence to suggest that particular prophecy has even started yet. Although im pretty sure its gltta have something to do with templar 1! The pen is mightier than the sword The gun is mightier than both
Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 1968	Posted - 2013.11.11 12:36:00 - [23] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Vyzion Eyri wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Vyzion Eyri wrote: Is it just me, or does anyone else see the connection between 514 and the Prophecy of Macaper? Especially the sixth event. what was many now becomes one when one becomes four 5 (manyish) - becomes 1 1 becomes 4 5 -> 1 1-> 4 5-1-4 how many of the gen1 are left? Was thinking along the lines of five things becoming one, when something else splits into four. The connection to DUST wouldn't be very recent though. If my research is correct the prophecies would have been fulfilled around YC109, and currently in New Eden it's YC115. So I thought it would be a reference to some past event (connected to the prophecy) that is related to DUST too. There is no evidence to suggest that particular prophecy has even started yet. Although im pretty sure its gltta have something to do with templar 1! It says the events will all occur within a few month and maximum of a few years of each other. And the last event I think is definitely related to the bright star (google 'a bright star eve online') and that ends by the beginning of YC110. "When nothing is going your way, go out of your way to do nothing."
Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 959	Posted - 2013.11.11 12:49:00 - [24] - Quote Vyzion Eyri wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Vyzion Eyri wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Vyzion Eyri wrote: Is it just me, or does anyone else see the connection between 514 and the Prophecy of Macaper? Especially the sixth event. what was many now becomes one when one becomes four 5 (manyish) - becomes 1 1 becomes 4 5 -> 1 1-> 4 5-1-4 how many of the gen1 are left? Was thinking along the lines of five things becoming one, when something else splits into four. The connection to DUST wouldn't be very recent though. If my research is correct the prophecies would have been fulfilled around YC109, and currently in New Eden it's YC115. So I thought it would be a reference to some past event (connected to the prophecy) that is related to DUST too. There is no evidence to suggest that particular prophecy has even started yet. Although im pretty sure its gltta have something to do with templar 1! It says the events will all occur within a few month and maximum of a few years of each other. And the last event I think is definitely related to the bright star (google 'a bright star eve online') and that ends by the beginning of YC110. It is believed but there is no actual mention of either a time or time period. But I guess it could be are creation could be linked to the prophecy! I mean which generation are we? And how many bodies were recovered? 5 bodies became the gen 1 templar 1, a gen 1 clone becomes the base for us 9layable character gen 4 clones? The pen is mightier than the sword The gun is mightier than both
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1561	Posted - 2013.11.11 13:02:00 - [25] - Quote I'm liking the idea about the sleeper tech as a fail safe to prevent the extinction of the sleepers. I don't know to much about the lore other than what I've hard or has been linked so I can't really put in a good idea about the sleepers etc. but I do know who/what the Jove are and may do a Thesis on bioengineering because of them "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4292	Posted - 2013.11.11 13:11:00 - [26] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: It's called Obfuscation. A quite boring thing really. There is no answer because they can change it at the drop of a hat, if design says so. Meaning you could guess precisely what the current meaning of the number is, but CCP would then change it because they wanted it to be "mystical" In other words, it's a rigged gamble. Actually, one of the players guessed it right on IRC, and the devs made him swear he won't tell anyone. *Oculus Felis Semper Vigilant* *Beta Vet* *Level 4 Forum Warrior*
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 716	Posted - 2013.11.11 13:20:00 - [27] - Quote Denak Kalamari wrote: Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: It's the attribute implant slots that were affected by the experiments: Slot 1 - Alpha - Ocular Filter: Perception Slot 2 - Beta - Memory Augmentation: Memory Slot 3 - Gamma - Neural Boost: Willpower Slot 4 - Delta - Cybernetic Subprocessor: Intelligence Slot 5 - Epsilon - Social Adaptation Chip: Charisma 5 for social adaptation 1 for perception 4 for intelligence processing The scientists messed with the relevant neural slots to develop mindless drones to do the bidding of the Amarrian Empire. It's telling what is left out that would make a person go insane. No memory (of who they are) and no Willpower (of their own). All they know is that they are forced to be able to communicate, think and perceive. Non-player clones are slaves. Player mercs plugged these attributes back in and can think for themselves. Don't think Charisma has anything to do with being a clone? Look at the skill requirements for Infomorph Psychology. Charisma and Willpower. Willpower was removed. Betcha a dolla! You heard it here first! Clone soldiers get no training or skillbooks for Infomorph Psychology, attribute implants are for capsuleers only and they are mostly an OOC stat, your argument is invalid. And what does this have to do with Sleepers, 514 or anything else discussed in this thread? Go beyond the game mechanics. You're too serious. We're talking about where the 5 1 and 4 comes from. What do you mean what does it have to do with this thread? If the pen is mightier than the sword, in a duel I'll let you have the pen! -Steven Wright
IVIaster LUKE Shadow Company HQ 82	Posted - 2013.11.11 13:29:00 - [28] - Quote 514 Error Protocol Syndrome. Others call it free will. Beholden to no one. Sir!.... Their not obeying......orders!!!! Free will strongly chokes the white coat devil. now to get off this rock "If you can dodge a Wrench, you can dodge a Duvolle".
Denak Kalamari Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 588	Posted - 2013.11.11 13:53:00 - [29] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: Go beyond the game mechanics. You're too serious. We're talking about where the 5 1 and 4 comes from. What do you mean what does it have to do with this thread? The whole attribute system is a game mechanic, with arbitrary numbers improving arbitrary stats. What does +1 to memory mean technically? Does it mean more memory storage, longer memory retention or what? Willpower is even worse to define in such a way, it's not a good idea. Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 577	Posted - 2013.11.11 15:46:00 - [30] - Quote on the point of "dust isn't exclusive" the game was originally planned to launch on xbox 360 and PS3. tin foil hat time as you know the game was never released on xbox portal 2 went cross platform but only PS3 -> PC CSGO went cross platform but only PS3 -> PC in both games ps3 players could play with pc players but not xbox. xbox players could only play with other xbox players. microsoft is too uptight about their servers. tin foil hats off article confirms "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout, tanker. CLOSED BETA VET



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