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Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1850	Posted - 2013.11.05 19:44:00 - [1] - Quote Is this the end of both classes, they're certainly not combat effective anymore and with the new rifles coming it's only gonna get worse. So will the next two months be the downfall of the class, with only the loyal few and the bastard abusers even bothering to don the suit? Sinboto - The True Blood Minja. Forum Warrior level 1 Tryhard Veteran
Awry Barux Shining Flame Amarr Empire 248	Posted - 2013.11.05 19:46:00 - [2] - Quote I'm confused, what's a "true" heavy?
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 2150	Posted - 2013.11.05 19:47:00 - [3] - Quote I will continue using my scout suit so...........
Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 1806	Posted - 2013.11.05 19:48:00 - [4] - Quote Wouldn't be surprised to see some people return to heavies with a logibro supporting. As for scouts... Anyone got the fabled 100m passive scan range yet? "..things that some people frankly don't even get the chance to do in real life, because it's poorly designed." -Veigar
Oswald Rehnquist 428	Posted - 2013.11.05 19:53:00 - [5] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Is this the end of both classes, they're certainly not combat effective anymore and with the new rifles coming it's only gonna get worse. So will the next two months be the downfall of the class, with only the loyal few and the bastard abusers even bothering to don the suit? I think this is a good opportunity in that we'd be able to convince CCP of more radical changes for the scout / heavy I'm going to need full support, but I'm piecing together a lot of different content from several sources which I think will balance it out Below 28 dB
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 2151	Posted - 2013.11.05 19:54:00 - [6] - Quote Vyzion Eyri wrote: Wouldn't be surprised to see some people return to heavies with a logibro supporting. As for scouts... Anyone got the fabled 100m passive scan range yet? The guy that said that didn't account for stacking penalties.
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 58	Posted - 2013.11.05 20:00:00 - [7] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: I'm confused, what's a "true" heavy? Heavy suit with Heavy weapons. Simple as that. I am the Horseless Headsman. Director and COO of We Who Walk Alone
ShinyJay RETR0 PR0 GAMERS 137	Posted - 2013.11.05 20:01:00 - [8] - Quote i will still manage with my minnie scout, just have to work out what can be used now with what i have minnie scout sniper, always on the move, always ready for action,
THUNDERGROOVE ZionTCD Public Disorder. 1216	Posted - 2013.11.05 20:22:00 - [9] - Quote I've actually gotten the standard Minmatar scout and honestly, I often get more kills while having more fun than my proto heavy suit, so there's that. Scouts are really the most fun suits to use in my opinion. I've already decided that I won't be speccing back into the Sentinel if we get a respec when the rest of the racials come out because I'll be transitioning into Amarr scouts. What is a signature?
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 550	Posted - 2013.11.05 20:33:00 - [10] - Quote My HMG heavy destroys all that stand before him

VAHZZ The dyst0pian Corporation 17	Posted - 2013.11.05 20:34:00 - [11] - Quote I will never stop being a Scout even if CCP doesn't love us anymore > Master of the Sniper and rookie NKer "I'll show you fear and madness"
Jake Diesel BIG BAD W0LVES 48	Posted - 2013.11.05 20:40:00 - [12] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: I will continue using my scout suit so........... Yes. But according to the op, you are not combat effective so I demand that you cease use of your scout. Lol.
Jake Diesel BIG BAD W0LVES 48	Posted - 2013.11.05 20:42:00 - [13] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: My HMG heavy destroys all that stand before him Keyword is "stand".
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4425	Posted - 2013.11.05 20:50:00 - [14] - Quote nothing's changed for the heavy besides +150 total eHP...so yeeeaaa The heavy class has been on the downfall for a while now, I don't know what makes some people think adding a logi behind them is a solution all of a sudden. That's been done since way back in the day ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1868	Posted - 2013.11.06 00:42:00 - [15] - Quote Is this the end!!!!!!! Sinboto - The True Blood Minja. Forum Warrior level 1 Fix my class already
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR The Kaos Legion 437	Posted - 2013.11.06 00:47:00 - [16] - Quote i haven't had the chance to test 1.6 out yet. from what ive been hearing, its not good for scouts,but then again tha was the same for 1.5, and i adapted to that, so i guess i'll just have to find out tomorrow. also i heard NKs still aren't fixed. why am i not surprised... How exactly does a Biscuit gain Valor?
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1873	Posted - 2013.11.06 01:01:00 - [17] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: i haven't had the chance to test 1.6 out yet. from what ive been hearing, its not good for scouts,but then again tha was the same for 1.5, and i adapted to that, so i guess i'll just have to find out tomorrow. also i heard NKs still aren't fixed. why am i not surprised... No NK are not fixed And trust me 1.5 has got nothing on 1.6 on the ' **** you not midframes' meter Sinboto - The True Blood Minja. Forum Warrior level 1 Fix my class already
DeadlyAztec11 Gallente Federation 2379	Posted - 2013.11.06 01:29:00 - [18] - Quote VAHZZ wrote: I will never stop being a Scout even if CCP doesn't love us anymore They never loved you! Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
DeadlyAztec11 Gallente Federation 2379	Posted - 2013.11.06 01:30:00 - [19] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: i haven't had the chance to test 1.6 out yet. from what ive been hearing, its not good for scouts,but then again tha was the same for 1.5, and i adapted to that, so i guess i'll just have to find out tomorrow. also i heard NKs still aren't fixed. why am i not surprised... No NK are not fixed And trust me 1.5 has got nothing on 1.6 on the ' **** you not midframes' meter Actually Nova Knife hit detection is severely improved. Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1874	Posted - 2013.11.06 01:35:00 - [20] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: i haven't had the chance to test 1.6 out yet. from what ive been hearing, its not good for scouts,but then again tha was the same for 1.5, and i adapted to that, so i guess i'll just have to find out tomorrow. also i heard NKs still aren't fixed. why am i not surprised... No NK are not fixed And trust me 1.5 has got nothing on 1.6 on the ' **** you not midframes' meter Actually Nova Knife hit detection is severely improved. Yes, but not what I was asked sir. Improved yes, fixed no. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja. Forum Warrior level 1 Fix my class already

Llast 326 An Arkhos 327	Posted - 2013.11.06 01:39:00 - [21] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: i haven't had the chance to test 1.6 out yet. from what ive been hearing, its not good for scouts,but then again tha was the same for 1.5, and i adapted to that, so i guess i'll just have to find out tomorrow. also i heard NKs still aren't fixed. why am i not surprised... No NK are not fixed And trust me 1.5 has got nothing on 1.6 on the ' **** you not midframes' meter Actually Nova Knife hit detection is severely improved. Yes, but not what I was asked sir. Improved yes, fixed no. Also 'severely improved' is stretching it thin. Still freezing on third swipe? I have not done update yet.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1874	Posted - 2013.11.06 01:47:00 - [22] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: i haven't had the chance to test 1.6 out yet. from what ive been hearing, its not good for scouts,but then again tha was the same for 1.5, and i adapted to that, so i guess i'll just have to find out tomorrow. also i heard NKs still aren't fixed. why am i not surprised... No NK are not fixed And trust me 1.5 has got nothing on 1.6 on the ' **** you not midframes' meter Actually Nova Knife hit detection is severely improved. Yes, but not what I was asked sir. Improved yes, fixed no. Also 'severely improved' is stretching it thin. Still freezing on third swipe? I have not done update yet. Blade was always finicky but it feels like an inch has been shaved off, because of this one misstep or shift and even a veteran knifer has missed his mark. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja. Forum Warrior level 1 Fix my class already
Llast 326 An Arkhos 327	Posted - 2013.11.06 01:56:00 - [23] - Quote crap
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 664	Posted - 2013.11.06 02:00:00 - [24] - Quote This is why I specced into everything in the entire game..... That way when CCP either makes a class useless or decides to beat something with the nerf bat I can go and run something else until they come to their senses There there Mr. Scout and Ms. Heavy You'll still me useful in my eyes
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1135	Posted - 2013.11.06 02:05:00 - [25] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Is this the end of both classes, they're certainly not combat effective anymore and with the new rifles coming it's only gonna get worse. So will the next two months be the downfall of the class, with only the loyal few and the bastard abusers even bothering to don the suit? The new rifles will change little. They offer diversity nothing really new. The ranges and dps should be around the same when in game. Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
Llast 326 An Arkhos 328	Posted - 2013.11.06 02:20:00 - [26] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Is this the end of both classes, they're certainly not combat effective anymore and with the new rifles coming it's only gonna get worse. So will the next two months be the downfall of the class, with only the loyal few and the bastard abusers even bothering to don the suit? The new rifles will change little. They offer diversity nothing really new. The ranges and dps should be around the same when in game. refreshing change in the kill feed at least
AfroSunshineY Consequence TransLegio 158	Posted - 2013.11.06 02:58:00 - [27] - Quote THUNDERGROOVE wrote: I've actually gotten the standard Minmatar scout and honestly, I often get more kills while having more fun than my proto heavy suit, so there's that. Scouts are really the most fun suits to use in my opinion. I've already decided that I won't be speccing back into the Sentinel if we get a respec when the rest of the racials come out because I'll be transitioning into Amarr scouts. Have you considered that the reason you're having fun in your STANDARD minnie scout and not your PROTO heavy is that its no fun to lose isk? That is, I'm concerned its not actually the playstyle that attracts you but the fact that you aren't losing isk. Trust me, you don't want to have a 140k minnie suit that dies just as quickly as your standard suit.....trust me. That gets old quick
crazy space 1 Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 1964	Posted - 2013.11.06 03:02:00 - [28] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: Vyzion Eyri wrote: Wouldn't be surprised to see some people return to heavies with a logibro supporting. As for scouts... Anyone got the fabled 100m passive scan range yet? The guy that said that didn't account for stacking penalties. Which everything but damage mods have ...
Melchiah ARANeAE The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 224	Posted - 2013.11.06 03:10:00 - [29] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: Vyzion Eyri wrote: Wouldn't be surprised to see some people return to heavies with a logibro supporting. As for scouts... Anyone got the fabled 100m passive scan range yet? The guy that said that didn't account for stacking penalties. Actually, with the improved base scan radius it's possible for a Gallente scout to get a scan radius of 102.8m. Just requires level 5 Gallente scout, Level 5 Range Amplification and 4 complex range amplifiers. It's not a viable fit to use, but it's still a nice possibility. 'Insert witty signature here'
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 1985	Posted - 2013.11.06 06:05:00 - [30] - Quote Oswald Rehnquist wrote: I'm going to need full support, but I'm piecing together a lot of different content from several sources which I think will balance it out Keep us posted. From what I've read in your former posts, you'll have our full support ... ... unless you suggest "shared squad sight" as a fix :P



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