DUST Search - Railgun Turrets still broken beyond repair

Ghosts Chance wrote:

list of current railgun specific bugs

- Heat improperly displays and disapates causing both shots with no heat build up AND shots that instantly overheat despite either firing way past the overheat amount for the first and way under the overheat amount for the latter Verified 29/11

- visual range for infantry is as low as 20m Verified 29/11

- Visual range for installations as low as 80m Verified 29/11

- Visual range for vehicles as low as 150m Verified 29/11

- shooting causes everything to de-render Verified 29/11

- small turrets have a higher visual range Verified 29/11

- railgun occasionally decides its going to shoot duds, the firing animation and heat build up occurs but no projectile is produced, if you stop firing it doesn't fix it, it persists for entire games at times. Verified 29/11

- there's a chance even if you DO manage to shoot you will get the blue shield and not do damage

- apparently your shots can phase though objects now and fail to hit large turret installations Verified 29/11

- i have personally encountered enemy infantry suddenly rendering less then 5 meters away from my tank in an open field without cover.

- Turrets are now controtion artists
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=119843&find=unread

- Unable to properly use squad orders with large turrets, it bugs out and sticks you to the squad order you chose until you either get out of the tank or switch to a small turret and fix it Verified 29/11

the weapon has been completely broken for 6 months now and I'm kinda curious why this isn't actually being acknowledged by anyone.

I would like to note that some of these bugs have been in the game since the release of open beta at minimum.

(all of these are bugs i encountered in only 5 games today on the deployment of 1.6)

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Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 87	Posted - 2013.11.05 19:40:00 - [1] - Quote list of current railgun specific bugs - Heat improperly displays and disapates causing both shots with no heat build up AND shots that instantly overheat despite either firing way past the overheat amount for the first and way under the overheat amount for the latter - visual range for infantry is as low as 20m - Visual range for instalations as low as 80m - Visual range for vehicles as low as 150m - shooting causes everything to de-render - small turrets have a higher visual range - railgun occasionally decides its going to shoot duds, the firing animation and heat build up occurs but no projectile is produced, if you stop firing it doesn't fix it, it persists for entire games at times. - there's a chance even if you DO manage to shoot you will get the blue shield and not do damage - apparently your shots can phase though objects now and fail to hit large turret installations - i have personally encountered enemy infantry suddenly rendering less then 5 meters away from my tank in an open field without cover. the weapon has been completely broken for 6 months now and im kinda curious why this isnt actually being acknowledged by anyone.
Tanis Jumes Thors Guard Adventures The Council of Yggdrasil 63	Posted - 2013.11.06 00:35:00 - [2] - Quote I get the same issues when using rail-tanks :/
abarkrishna The Elysian Knights 33	Posted - 2013.11.06 07:17:00 - [3] - Quote I agree this is getting stupid.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 91	Posted - 2013.11.06 13:56:00 - [4] - Quote threads pointing out mundane things that arnt even bugs get blue responces within 15 minuites, a problem thats exsisted for 6 months and has a 1000 reply petitiion not for a fix but just a blue post about the topic gets ignored for 3 months.
nakaya indigene 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 98	Posted - 2013.11.07 04:28:00 - [5] - Quote this has been going on since uprising.. that's bullshit
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 121	Posted - 2013.11.17 00:38:00 - [6] - Quote Bringing this back tot he front page since CCP STILL after 6 months refuses to even awknowledge that these bugs exsist (as well as the huge rendering problems)
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 884	Posted - 2013.11.17 00:47:00 - [7] - Quote I really like the fact that the Devs have been unable to replicate the draw distance problems. If they are debugging on PCs using Unreal 3.* that would explain it well enough. Or only running on debug consoles that have twice the memory. The fact of which may have slipped their little Dev minds. Most likely because they have ... (wait for it) not enough memory! The latest fix was supposed to address some of the turret viewing issues. While they are not as bad in some cases others have not only not gotten better they still are not acknowledged by CCP/Shanghai.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 121	Posted - 2013.11.17 01:45:00 - [8] - Quote KalOfTheRathi wrote: I really like the fact that the Devs have been unable to replicate the draw distance problems. If they are debugging on PCs using Unreal 3.* that would explain it well enough. Or only running on debug consoles that have twice the memory. The fact of which may have slipped their little Dev minds. Most likely because they have ... (wait for it) not enough memory! The latest fix was supposed to address some of the turret viewing issues. While they are not as bad in some cases others have not only not gotten better they still are not acknowledged by CCP/Shanghai. ive brought this up a few times in threads and once in IRC no responce on that either. only posts we ever got about the rendering issue was the original "Working as intended this is standard in FPS games" speech at the begining of uprising (im not kidding) only responce devs are alowed to give right now is "not my department go poke community reps", and since this isnt facebook you cant actually poke a community rep.
GrpCpt Dogsbody Bader 1	Posted - 2013.11.18 01:28:00 - [9] - Quote +1 from me, c'mon CCP fix it already...
abarkrishna The Elysian Knights 61	Posted - 2013.11.18 01:45:00 - [10] - Quote Get video footage use an editor to slow down and highlight examples of horrible rendering and what not. Show them the issues. besides if there is video we can submit it as support tickets everyday until someone gets mad and finally does something. & months is long enough. They call me the C.L.I.T commander.

Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 128	Posted - 2013.11.18 02:01:00 - [11] - Quote abarkrishna wrote: Get video footage use an editor to slow down and highlight examples of horrible rendering and what not. Show them the issues. besides if there is video we can submit it as support tickets everyday until someone gets mad and finally does something. & months is long enough. not everyone has a capture card or the ability to purchase one :P
abarkrishna The Elysian Knights 65	Posted - 2013.11.18 02:11:00 - [12] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: abarkrishna wrote: Get video footage use an editor to slow down and highlight examples of horrible rendering and what not. Show them the issues. besides if there is video we can submit it as support tickets everyday until someone gets mad and finally does something. & months is long enough. not everyone has a capture card or the ability to purchase one :P Any camera will do as long as it has a decent resolution. Any iphone 4 or higher should do just fine. Sadly i only have a 3gs so it is very difficult to capture good quality video. They call me the C.L.I.T commander.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 128	Posted - 2013.11.18 02:15:00 - [13] - Quote abarkrishna wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: abarkrishna wrote: Get video footage use an editor to slow down and highlight examples of horrible rendering and what not. Show them the issues. besides if there is video we can submit it as support tickets everyday until someone gets mad and finally does something. & months is long enough. not everyone has a capture card or the ability to purchase one :P Any camera will do as long as it has a decent resolution. Any iphone 4 or higher should do just fine. Sadly i only have a 3gs so it is very difficult to capture good quality video. a cature card is ironically cheaper then the suggested alturnative of "high end $500 phone" :P
NINJAPIRATEROBOTZOMBIE 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 235	Posted - 2013.11.18 06:29:00 - [14] - Quote Having same issues played PC vs AE tonight they took E our home point on bridge map and I on the hill by E could not see the turrets or any of the infantry all over the point. I used to be able to see the infantry and wreak shop from here even able to pop enemies coming from A (bridge) now nothing. I request CCP set up a few matches with a couple corps to gather data and see first hand these issue I would love to show you guys this is major issue. "Go Ninja Go Ninja Go!"
Sylwester Dziewiecki 200	Posted - 2013.11.18 13:09:00 - [15] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: Railgun Turrets still broken beyond repair Repair concerned turret collision with environment(lamps) in 1.6, and it was successfully repaired.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 137	Posted - 2013.11.18 13:11:00 - [16] - Quote Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: Railgun Turrets still broken beyond repair Repair concerned turret collision with environment(lamps) in 1.6, and it was successfully repaired. not fixed, lamp posts still most deadly AV object in the game.

CCP Delamorui Eddy C C P C C P Alliance 10	Posted - 2013.11.19 08:34:00 - [17] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: - railgun occasionally decides its going to shoot duds, the firing animation and heat build up occurs but no projectile is produced, if you stop firing it doesn't fix it, it persists for entire games at times. - there's a chance even if you DO manage to shoot you will get the blue shield and not do damage - apparently your shots can phase though objects now and fail to hit large turret installations Hi, thank you for contacting us. 1. It could be that installation was firing at an enemiesGÇÖ installation or objective but was blocked by some obstacles. Could you take a picture of the location so we can verify if it is a known issue. 2. Do you mean you used railgun to shoot at infantry and do no damage? 3. Do you mean you shot an installation with large turret and the projectile passed through the installation? Thank you.

Pipsa Possu Rautaleijona Top Men. 5	Posted - 2013.11.19 08:38:00 - [18] - Quote CCP Delamorui Eddy wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: - railgun occasionally decides its going to shoot duds, the firing animation and heat build up occurs but no projectile is produced, if you stop firing it doesn't fix it, it persists for entire games at times. - there's a chance even if you DO manage to shoot you will get the blue shield and not do damage - apparently your shots can phase though objects now and fail to hit large turret installations Hi, thank you for contacting us. 1. It could be that installation was firing at an enemiesGÇÖ installation or objective but was blocked by some obstacles. Could you take a picture of the location so we can verify if it is a known issue. 2. Do you mean you used railgun to shoot at infantry and do no damage? 3. Do you mean you shot an installation with large turret and the projectile passed through the installation? Thank you. Hey Eddie, Care to make any comment on the rendering issues too? The disappearing targets and invisible infantry men shooting swarms at you while trying to figure out where "where did that come from and who's shooting at me?" while driving a rail tank.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 146	Posted - 2013.11.19 09:05:00 - [19] - Quote CCP Delamorui Eddy wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: - railgun occasionally decides its going to shoot duds, the firing animation and heat build up occurs but no projectile is produced, if you stop firing it doesn't fix it, it persists for entire games at times. - there's a chance even if you DO manage to shoot you will get the blue shield and not do damage - apparently your shots can phase though objects now and fail to hit large turret installations Hi, thank you for contacting us. 1. It could be that installation was firing at an enemiesGÇÖ installation or objective but was blocked by some obstacles. Could you take a picture of the location so we can verify if it is a known issue. 2. Do you mean you used railgun to shoot at infantry and do no damage? 3. Do you mean you shot an installation with large turret and the projectile passed through the installation? Thank you. about the railguns doing no damage, tank mounted railgun ocasionally just wont do damage no matter what you shoot at, instalations, infantry AND enamy vehicles, no interviening LOS blocking terrain involved as well you have to get within 50m to see it in the firstplace :P in the case where shots seemed to phase through objects it was on a new map with two turrets one in front of the other LOS wise, shooting at the one in front ended up destroying the one behind without doing damage to the first, shots were aimed at the main body of the turret, at first i diddnt think i was doing damage so i was just aiming at various parts, eventually the turret behind exploded leaving the turret in front still un damaged. no pictures available. as far as shooting duds, again large tank mounted railgun, firing animation with no projectile being produced, no damage is ever done and it doesnt matter what you shoot at, how close it is, even in places with clear LOS (again you have to get within 50m to be able to shoot anything anyways so all the terrain is clearly loaded) these issues are all nearly a year old.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 146	Posted - 2013.11.19 09:22:00 - [20] - Quote Pipsa Possu wrote: CCP Delamorui Eddy wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: - railgun occasionally decides its going to shoot duds, the firing animation and heat build up occurs but no projectile is produced, if you stop firing it doesn't fix it, it persists for entire games at times. - there's a chance even if you DO manage to shoot you will get the blue shield and not do damage - apparently your shots can phase though objects now and fail to hit large turret installations Hi, thank you for contacting us. 1. It could be that installation was firing at an enemiesGÇÖ installation or objective but was blocked by some obstacles. Could you take a picture of the location so we can verify if it is a known issue. 2. Do you mean you used railgun to shoot at infantry and do no damage? 3. Do you mean you shot an installation with large turret and the projectile passed through the installation? Thank you. Hey Eddie, Care to make any comment on the rendering issues too? The disappearing targets and invisible infantry men shooting swarms at you while trying to figure out where "where did that come from and who's shooting at me?" while driving a rail tank. rendering is working as intended, its a feature not a bug. CCP is not alowed to comment on the topic

Sylwester Dziewiecki 202	Posted - 2013.11.19 09:43:00 - [21] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: Railgun Turrets still broken beyond repair Repair concerned turret collision with environment(lamps) in 1.6, and it was successfully repaired. not fixed, lamp posts still most deadly AV object in the game. Example: If your HAV stands next to wall or building(side by side), and you start to spin 360 degre with your Large Railgun or Blaster it no longer grip the wall and turn you upside down. Now R&B act in situation like that, same as ML previously.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 148	Posted - 2013.11.19 15:47:00 - [22] - Quote Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: Railgun Turrets still broken beyond repair Repair concerned turret collision with environment(lamps) in 1.6, and it was successfully repaired. not fixed, lamp posts still most deadly AV object in the game. Example: If your HAV stands next to wall or building(side by side), and you start to spin 360 degre with your Large Railgun or Blaster it no longer grip the wall and turn you upside down. Now R&B act in situation like that, same as ML previously. ah i see, good to know.
Nyra Volki KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 78	Posted - 2013.11.19 17:04:00 - [23] - Quote The turrets in general are broken. For blasters when i walk close to them sometimes they shoot some times they don't and i'm a level 5 scout with level 5 dampening that uses a complex dampener. For railguns there really broken that in most matches i'll see them shoot at the null cannon if on the opposite side. For missiles they only work if its maned or your shooting at it. Silent you must be Or die you will From brother scout a kind message
abarkrishna WarRavens 86	Posted - 2013.11.30 02:27:00 - [24] - Quote You got noticed! Finally! Praise the gods of new Eden! They call me the C.L.I.T commander.
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 913	Posted - 2013.11.30 11:58:00 - [25] - Quote abarkrishna wrote: I agree this is getting stupid. Getting Stupid? Are you freaking serious? This is so beyond stupid and total idiot would have to be given a brain to run around with to discover the level of stupid game implementation this is. We are so far beyond stupid if you look out your left poral you will see Pluto with Uranus near by. Please recall that the Sol System was lost how long ago?
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 913	Posted - 2013.11.30 12:15:00 - [26] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: list of current railgun specific bugs - Heat improperly displays and disapates causing both shots with no heat build up AND shots that instantly overheat despite either firing way past the overheat amount for the first and way under the overheat amount for the latter Verified 29/11 - visual range for infantry is as low as 20m Verified 29/11 - Visual range for installations as low as 80m Verified 29/11 - Visual range for vehicles as low as 150m Verified 29/11 - shooting causes everything to de-render Verified 29/11 - small turrets have a higher visual range Verified 29/11 - railgun occasionally decides its going to shoot duds, the firing animation and heat build up occurs but no projectile is produced, if you stop firing it doesn't fix it, it persists for entire games at times. Verified 29/11 - there's a chance even if you DO manage to shoot you will get the blue shield and not do damage - apparently your shots can phase though objects now and fail to hit large turret installations Verified 29/11 - i have personally encountered enemy infantry suddenly rendering less then 5 meters away from my tank in an open field without cover. - Turrets are now controtion artists https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=119843&find=unread - Unable to properly use squad orders with large turrets, it bugs out and sticks you to the squad order you chose until you either get out of the tank or switch to a small turret and fix it Verified 29/11 the weapon has been completely broken for 6 months now and I'm kinda curious why this isn't actually being acknowledged by anyone. I would like to note that some of these bugs have been in the game since the release of open beta at minimum. (all of these are bugs i encountered in only 5 games today on the deployment of 1.6) I am acknowledging these bugs still exists however as I am just a Merc I don't count. In DUST no Mercs count. Each Verified 29 11 in the list above I actually witnessed on that date. I have been able to get the rail gun to start firing again, only in Installations, by shooting at something, anything else until you see explosions (such a rare thing these days). Then the turret will work once again. I have had similar experiences with my Rail Particle Accelerator although it isn't consistent nor is the fix. Often I will just have to retreat and find something that the gun will work on. Messing with a module (normally one might believe that using a module but in DUST it is merely messing with) will stop the large missile turret in a tank from firing. The only fix is to switch seats away and back to the main turret. Hard to do when Blue Belles have invaded your tank. In addition, how about a missile turret that appears less than 90m after it starts firing at me. Which was fun since I was shooting at a different turret and needed to finish it off before returning fire from the Invisi-Turret (tm CCP). On 28/11. A little depressing to a retired software developer that was proud to ship products that worked and ran QA departments that only released products without code that breaks the basic functions. Like being able to see a freaking target since Uprising was released. Remember 14 May, 2013? A sad, sad day.
abarkrishna WarRavens 86	Posted - 2013.12.01 02:22:00 - [27] - Quote Dude 3 days ago CCP publicly posted they are getting several bug fixes for railgun specific bugs. Coming in 1.8 Took long enough. They call me the C.L.I.T commander.
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 917	Posted - 2013.12.01 13:13:00 - [28] - Quote abarkrishna wrote: Dude 3 days ago CCP publicly posted they are getting several bug fixes for railgun specific bugs. Coming in 1.8 Took long enough. And this is me holding my breath. Fat freaking chance. They claimed some time ago that they had solved the (unacknowledged) draw distance cut off problems in tank turrets. Okay, except for all the other problems that are still there and have not been acknowledged either. Oddly enough not seeing targets was still there (see above). This is DUST by CCP/Shanghai. Until the patch (which ever one it is) is released, tested and the fix is actually there ... I don't believe it. Very simple really.


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