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Knight Soiaire R 0 N 1 N 3043	Posted - 2013.11.05 19:24:00 - [1] - Quote TTK got even lower. GG, CCP, I'm glad you improved the hit detection, but the game has come down to who can fit the highest tank now. I cant stand to play another match today, hopefully it was just a bad day. Raffle draw will be in 2-3 days Save General John Ripper!
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 4618	Posted - 2013.11.05 19:25:00 - [2] - Quote I would prefer to actually be able to hit things and die slightly quicker than randomly have my weapon refuse to work properly when fighting which will get me killed for sure. Level 4 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1849	Posted - 2013.11.05 19:29:00 - [3] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I would prefer to actually be able to hit things and die slightly quicker than randomly have my weapon refuse to work properly when fighting which will get me killed for sure. I'm all for being able to hit things but I'm also sick of being put down by automatic death machines at ranges they have no right to be killing at. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja. Forum Warrior level 1 Tryhard Veteran
Boot Booter Omega Elite Mercs INC. 121	Posted - 2013.11.05 19:29:00 - [4] - Quote Not true, the game is way better. It actually makes lighter suits viable again because the favored weapons of those suits (shotty, knives, SMG, etc) actually hit. My first match I went 21 and 3 with about 450 eHP. In what world does bad hit detection make a game better?
Boot Booter Omega Elite Mercs INC. 121	Posted - 2013.11.05 19:30:00 - [5] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I would prefer to actually be able to hit things and die slightly quicker than randomly have my weapon refuse to work properly when fighting which will get me killed for sure. I'm all for being able to hit things but I'm also sick of being put down by automatic death machines at ranges they have no right to be killing at. Try strafing..... WHAT!?
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1849	Posted - 2013.11.05 19:33:00 - [6] - Quote Boot Booter wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I would prefer to actually be able to hit things and die slightly quicker than randomly have my weapon refuse to work properly when fighting which will get me killed for sure. I'm all for being able to hit things but I'm also sick of being put down by automatic death machines at ranges they have no right to be killing at. Try strafing..... WHAT!? Yeah because the guy in the scout suit is standing still Edit: Dumbass Sinboto - The True Blood Minja. Forum Warrior level 1 Tryhard Veteran
Knight Soiaire R 0 N 1 N 3044	Posted - 2013.11.05 19:33:00 - [7] - Quote Boot Booter wrote: Not true, the game is way better. It actually makes lighter suits viable again because the favored weapons of those suits (shotty, knives, SMG, etc) actually hit. My first match I went 21 and 3 with about 450 eHP. In what world does bad hit detection make a game better? You clearly haven't played today, or just aren't a Scout. Knives are no better. DUST is not a twitch shooter, even in 500HP Med Frames I was dropping fast to Duvolles. Raffle draw will be in 2-3 days Save General John Ripper!
Knight Soiaire R 0 N 1 N 3044	Posted - 2013.11.05 19:35:00 - [8] - Quote Boot Booter wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I would prefer to actually be able to hit things and die slightly quicker than randomly have my weapon refuse to work properly when fighting which will get me killed for sure. I'm all for being able to hit things but I'm also sick of being put down by automatic death machines at ranges they have no right to be killing at. Try strafing..... WHAT!? Even when I was sprinting, at 10.36m/s, I was dropped by a Duvolle in under half a second. And no, I wasn't running away, or toward him. Raffle draw will be in 2-3 days Save General John Ripper!
ShinyJay RETR0 PR0 GAMERS 136	Posted - 2013.11.05 19:36:00 - [9] - Quote this game is all about EHP and who has the highest damaging AR now. to me it is minnie scout sniper, always on the move, always ready for action,
Ryder Azorria Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 693	Posted - 2013.11.05 19:42:00 - [10] - Quote I don't know about you, but I'd rather have a working game with a low TTK than a game where living or dying was mostly determined by whether or not the server was in a good mood. TTK can be fixed easily - fundamental flaws with the engine, not so much. Also, I'd like to remind people that knifes are not meant to be a primary weapon - and using them as such will generally put you at a disadvantage.

Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1359	Posted - 2013.11.05 19:43:00 - [11] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: TTK got even lower. GG, CCP, I'm glad you improved the hit detection, but the game has come down to who can fit the highest tank now. I cant stand to play another match today, hopefully it was just a bad day. You know, Volgair coined TTK.
Knight Soiaire R 0 N 1 N 3045	Posted - 2013.11.05 19:44:00 - [12] - Quote Ryder Azorria wrote: I don't know about you, but I'd rather have a working game with a low TTK than a game where living or dying was mostly determined by whether or not the server was in a good mood. TTK can be fixed easily - fundamental flaws with the engine, not so much. Also, I'd like to remind people that knifes are not meant to be a primary weapon - and using them as such will generally put you at a disadvantage. I understand that. But am I really expected to wait a month through what is basically a twitch shooter? Knives aren't ineffective, they're just broken. They're balanced, they do enough damage, although could use that dash ability they've been talking about. They just have the worst HD in the game right now. Raffle draw will be in 2-3 days Save General John Ripper!
Boot Booter Omega Elite Mercs INC. 121	Posted - 2013.11.05 20:13:00 - [13] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: Boot Booter wrote: Not true, the game is way better. It actually makes lighter suits viable again because the favored weapons of those suits (shotty, knives, SMG, etc) actually hit. My first match I went 21 and 3 with about 450 eHP. In what world does bad hit detection make a game better? You clearly haven't played today, or just aren't a Scout. Knives are no better. DUST is not a twitch shooter, even in 500HP Med Frames I was dropping fast to Duvolles. I have played.. I just assumed that knives got better cause the shotty feels pretty good. No I'm not a scout but big play a very light minmatar assault, so I understand how easy it is to die. It also means you can kill quickly before people get more than a few shots off. And stop telling dust what it is or isn't. Obviously it's not a twitch shooter, but maybe they didn't intend it to take 5 secs to kill people every time.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1030	Posted - 2013.11.05 20:15:00 - [14] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I would prefer to actually be able to hit things and die slightly quicker than randomly have my weapon refuse to work properly when fighting which will get me killed for sure. I'm all for being able to hit things but I'm also sick of being put down by automatic death machines at ranges they have no right to be killing at. Or dumping into a reddots back only to have them turn around and two-shot you.... So much skill involved there... Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives.... Martyr for the Republic Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Scheherazade VII 57	Posted - 2013.11.05 20:18:00 - [15] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: Boot Booter wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I would prefer to actually be able to hit things and die slightly quicker than randomly have my weapon refuse to work properly when fighting which will get me killed for sure. I'm all for being able to hit things but I'm also sick of being put down by automatic death machines at ranges they have no right to be killing at. Try strafing..... WHAT!? Even when I was sprinting, at 10.36m/s, I was dropped by a Duvolle in under half a second. And no, I wasn't running away, or toward him. then step it up to 10.37 On a side note I guess I better run my Mass Driver from now on. GêÜGëêDUST VIDEOSGëêGêÜ
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 549	Posted - 2013.11.05 20:26:00 - [16] - Quote Good thing my heavy and my commando got HP buffs
Meeko Fent Expert Intervention Caldari State 1373	Posted - 2013.11.05 20:52:00 - [17] - Quote Rollback the 10% damage buff. Hell, do it in a hotfix CCP. Just... Do it. Meeko's Novelty Shop Opening Soon! We (will)sell all the novelty items you desire! Really! King of Uncertainty.
IRON PATRIOT 1 Pradox One Proficiency V. 50	Posted - 2013.11.05 21:01:00 - [18] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: TTK got even lower. GG, CCP, I'm glad you improved the hit detection, but the game has come down to who can fit the highest tank now. I cant stand to play another match today, hopefully it was just a bad day. As it should be now std and mlt weapons don't kill as fast proto.
Boot Booter Omega Elite Mercs INC. 122	Posted - 2013.11.05 21:06:00 - [19] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: Rollback the 10% damage buff. Hell, do it in a hotfix CCP. Just... Do it. Not a bad idea. As it was to compensate for poor hit detection.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 315	Posted - 2013.11.05 21:18:00 - [20] - Quote The TTK is too short, sure, but I like the game better in many ways now. To be clear, I'm no twitch-shooter master, and would likely do much better with a longer TTK. BUT.... too twitchy or not, I very much appreciate the fact that it's not completely random whether or not my shots hit the target and I, not the server, have some influence on whether or not I lose a firefight. Thing is, there's not much point making a major balance pass right now with the new weapons coming out in a month. It would be wasted effort to an extent because the rail and combat rifles need to be out in the wild for a while before we know what really needs to be done. Templar'd for her pleasure Amarr victor!

MassiveNine 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 407	Posted - 2013.11.05 21:33:00 - [21] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: Rollback the 10% damage buff. Hell, do it in a hotfix CCP. Just... Do it. do it on everything except the hmg and forge and I'd be a happy camper, things would actually be in place then.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1360	Posted - 2013.11.05 21:38:00 - [22] - Quote MassiveNine wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: Rollback the 10% damage buff. Hell, do it in a hotfix CCP. Just... Do it. do it on everything except the hmg and forge and I'd be a happy camper, things would actually be in place then. And the swarms, SG, AR, smg, PLC and flaylock and I will also be happy.
VAHZZ The dyst0pian Corporation 25	Posted - 2013.11.05 23:35:00 - [23] - Quote Boot Booter wrote: Not true, the game is way better. It actually makes lighter suits viable again because the favored weapons of those suits (shotty, knives, SMG, etc) actually hit. My first match I went 21 and 3 with about 450 eHP. In what world does bad hit detection make a game better? What are you talking about? Us Scouts die fast like a junebug! You obviously haven't played scout cause there is no way you went 21/3...you must be smokin' somethin' fierce. > Master of the Sniper and rookie NKer
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 1967	Posted - 2013.11.05 23:42:00 - [24] - Quote Boot Booter wrote: Not true, the game is way better. It actually makes lighter suits viable again because the favored weapons of those suits (shotty, knives, SMG, etc) actually hit. My first match I went 21 and 3 with about 450 eHP. Shotgun - Improved. SMG - No change. Knives - No change. EZ Mode - ScRs and ARs outperform SG and HMG in CQC ... to an even greater degree than before. Boot Booter wrote: In what world does bad hit detection make a game better? In a world where Medium-Range weapons outperform CQC specialty weapons ... in close quarters. In a world where a Medium-Frame can tank 3-5 shotgun blasts. In a world where the guy who snuck up behind you and charged his Knife can't kill you.
iceyburnz Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 1184	Posted - 2013.11.06 00:06:00 - [25] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I would prefer to actually be able to hit things and die slightly quicker than randomly have my weapon refuse to work properly when fighting which will get me killed for sure. I particularly enjoyed the bit, in previous versions, were people would stop taking damage at exactly 50% armour, that was always fun.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 403	Posted - 2013.11.06 00:36:00 - [26] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: Boot Booter wrote: Not true, the game is way better. It actually makes lighter suits viable again because the favored weapons of those suits (shotty, knives, SMG, etc) actually hit. My first match I went 21 and 3 with about 450 eHP. In what world does bad hit detection make a game better? You clearly haven't played today, or just aren't a Scout. Knives are no better. DUST is not a twitch shooter, even in 500HP Med Frames I was dropping fast to Duvolles. A whole 500 EHP!!!!! 500EHP is nothing, my covenant assault suit I have around 650EHP
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 403	Posted - 2013.11.06 00:37:00 - [27] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: Boot Booter wrote: Not true, the game is way better. It actually makes lighter suits viable again because the favored weapons of those suits (shotty, knives, SMG, etc) actually hit. My first match I went 21 and 3 with about 450 eHP. Shotgun - Improved. SMG - No change. Knives - No change. EZ Mode - ScRs and ARs outperform SG and HMG in CQC ... to an even greater degree than before. Net Result - EZ Mode now Easier. All other modes now Harder. Boot Booter wrote: In what world does bad hit detection make a game better? In a world where medium-range weapons outperform CQC specialty weapons ... in close quarters. In a world where a Medium-Frame can tank point-blank shotgun blasts, then turn around and hipfire you to death. In a world where the guy who snuck up behind you and charged his Knives can't kill you. Does your grenade spam followed still work? You are a tourist. Glad you had fun that one match. Though I'd implore you to defer opinions on Scout "viability" to non-tourists. Non-tourists like OP, who is a Scout. Who is right in this case. While you are wrong.
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles 2547	Posted - 2013.11.06 00:46:00 - [28] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: Boot Booter wrote: Not true, the game is way better. It actually makes lighter suits viable again because the favored weapons of those suits (shotty, knives, SMG, etc) actually hit. My first match I went 21 and 3 with about 450 eHP. In what world does bad hit detection make a game better? You clearly haven't played today, or just aren't a Scout. Knives are no better. DUST is not a twitch shooter, even in 500HP Med Frames I was dropping fast to Duvolles. A whole 500 EHP!!!!! 500EHP is nothing, my covenant assault suit I have around 650EHP 500 EHP used to be alot back in Chrome. Like a hell of alot. Yet... You could live for a long time back then because HD was worse, strafing was better, and there was no AA. Truth be told. I liked those days better than now. GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 2
Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 915	Posted - 2013.11.06 00:46:00 - [29] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I would prefer to actually be able to hit things and die slightly quicker than randomly have my weapon refuse to work properly when fighting which will get me killed for sure. I'm all for being able to hit things but I'm also sick of being put down by automatic death machines at ranges they have no right to be killing at. Or dumping into a reddots back only to have them turn around and two-shot you.... So much skill involved there... Or fighting 1 guy and accidentally killing a scout 40m behind him! We are happy it works don't get us wrong, but when the TTK between suits varying by 300hp is about 0.8 secs why bother with modules at all? The pen is mightier than the sword The gun is mightier than both
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 1737	Posted - 2013.11.06 00:53:00 - [30] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: We are happy it works don't get us wrong, but when the TTK between suits varying by 300hp is about 0.8 secs why bother with modules at all? I suspect they are there for psychological purposes... however, it's also possible they are simply paper mache too.

Pent'noir Algintal Core Gallente Federation 175	Posted - 2013.11.06 00:56:00 - [31] - Quote Reading this, I'm getting that our hit detection is now good enough to remove aim assist.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 403	Posted - 2013.11.06 00:56:00 - [32] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: Boot Booter wrote: Not true, the game is way better. It actually makes lighter suits viable again because the favored weapons of those suits (shotty, knives, SMG, etc) actually hit. My first match I went 21 and 3 with about 450 eHP. In what world does bad hit detection make a game better? You clearly haven't played today, or just aren't a Scout. Knives are no better. DUST is not a twitch shooter, even in 500HP Med Frames I was dropping fast to Duvolles. A whole 500 EHP!!!!! 500EHP is nothing, my covenant assault suit I have around 650EHP 500 EHP used to be alot back in Chrome. Like a hell of alot. Yet... You could live for a long time back then because HD was worse, strafing was better, and there was no AA. Truth be told. I liked those days better than now. I remember those days and while they seem fonder, in retrospect the 1 v 1 gun battles where you both would reload 2 or 3 times before someone would die while strafing back and forth like some sort of dancer in a spacesuit were kind of ridiculous
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR The Kaos Legion 438	Posted - 2013.11.06 00:57:00 - [33] - Quote Boot Booter wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: Boot Booter wrote: Not true, the game is way better. It actually makes lighter suits viable again because the favored weapons of those suits (shotty, knives, SMG, etc) actually hit. My first match I went 21 and 3 with about 450 eHP. In what world does bad hit detection make a game better? You clearly haven't played today, or just aren't a Scout. Knives are no better. DUST is not a twitch shooter, even in 500HP Med Frames I was dropping fast to Duvolles. I have played.. I just assumed that knives got better cause the shotty feels pretty good. No I'm not a scout but big play a very light minmatar assault, so I understand how easy it is to die. It also means you can kill quickly before people get more than a few shots off. And stop telling dust what it is or isn't. Obviously it's not a twitch shooter, but maybe they didn't intend it to take 5 secs to kill people every time. it doesn't take 5 seconds to kill. it takes 0.5 seconds to kill. which is much to short for this game. i haven't played 1.6 yet, but based on what all the scouts are saying i dont really want to How exactly does a Biscuit gain Valor?
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1037	Posted - 2013.11.06 00:59:00 - [34] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I would prefer to actually be able to hit things and die slightly quicker than randomly have my weapon refuse to work properly when fighting which will get me killed for sure. I'm all for being able to hit things but I'm also sick of being put down by automatic death machines at ranges they have no right to be killing at. Or dumping into a reddots back only to have them turn around and two-shot you.... So much skill involved there... Or fighting 1 guy and accidentally killing a scout 40m behind him! We are happy it works don't get us wrong, but when the TTK between suits varying by 300hp is about 0.8 secs why bother with modules at all? Yes, the hit detection is awesome now, it is just that the TTK is stupid fast. Why not just run around naked with an AR? You'd be just as effective if not moreso. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives.... Martyr for the Republic Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Meeko Fent Expert Intervention Caldari State 1377	Posted - 2013.11.06 01:05:00 - [35] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: Boot Booter wrote: Not true, the game is way better. It actually makes lighter suits viable again because the favored weapons of those suits (shotty, knives, SMG, etc) actually hit. My first match I went 21 and 3 with about 450 eHP. Shotgun - Improved. SMG - No change. Knives - No change. EZ Mode - ScRs and ARs outperform SG and HMG in CQC ... to an even greater degree than before. Net Result - EZ Mode now Easier. All other modes now Harder. Boot Booter wrote: In what world does bad hit detection make a game better? In a world where medium-range weapons outperform CQC specialty weapons ... in close quarters. In a world where a Medium-Frame can tank point-blank shotgun blasts, then turn around and hipfire you to death. In a world where the guy who snuck up behind you and charged his Knives can't kill you. You are a tourist. Glad you had fun that one match. Though I'd implore you to defer opinions on Scout "viability" to non-tourists. Non-tourists like OP, who is a Scout. Who is right in this case. While you are wrong. Shotty, not to sound annoyed, or bitchy, but STFU. You guys have been complaining for the past 3 months. Why don't you guys decide what you think to be the issue, and preach that until CCP does it. You guys say you don't need a HP buff, but say you die so fast that whatever you so you lose. What is the issue with scouts, if HP is, but isn't an issue? Meeko's Novelty Shop Opening Soon! We (will)sell all the novelty items you desire! Really! King of Uncertainty.
Vyuru Bojo's School of the Trades 17	Posted - 2013.11.06 01:46:00 - [36] - Quote Quote: Shotty, not to sound annoyed, or bitchy, but STFU. You guys have been complaining for the past 3 months. Why don't you guys decide what you think to be the issue, and preach that until CCP does it. You guys say you don't need a HP buff, but say you die so fast that whatever you so you lose. What is the issue with scouts, if HP is, but isn't an issue? We did have a nice long thread in fact asking CCP about the direction they were taking scouts in. In it, we offered many suggestions to improve scouts, and I will point out, certain suggestions kept coming up. There have also been a couple of threads with suggestions, many old, some new. AKA, been there, done that, CCP never responded. Never played PC matches, but I have done FW, and let's face it, scout does not do well at all, no matter how stealthy you play it, in FW. I can make a scout work darn fine in random matches, but in anything with organized teams and where my opponents have a defense team camping each objective? Doesn't work. I might be able to take out the defensive team as long as it's 2 or fewer players, but any delay and the respawns overwhelm me. Not to mention the more they delay me the closer the dropship/LAV gets with it's group. CCP did good with the shotgun, and I'm digging the passive sensor boost. Scouts still need more. Give me a cloak so that I can more effectively harrass, hinder, and hack the opposing team's points. Give us some form of EWAR, such as an anti-virus that makes the enemy take longer to hack. Or some form of jammer that interferes with installations so that turrets are less effective and CRU's either can't spawn clones for X amount of time or that you have X% of spawning in, again for X amount of time. Give me a second equipment slot, so that I can actually make sneaking around the map worthwhile. Just give us something that makes having a scout on your team worthwhile. What we offer now, what we can do now, does not cut it. Right now what can I do? Take out snipers so long as they are outside or close to the borders of the red zone. Possibly hack an objective. I say possibly because if it's camped or the dead dude's on the opposing side decide to start spawning in there to try and stop me (and let's be honest, most null cannons have a CRU next to it. Any good team will be checking to see which CRU you're hacking and send people there) then things get tough. I can flank, but if anyone has a proto scanner (and they are on the rise) I get spotted. If anyone does a quick 360 spin I stand a decent chance of getting spotted. Right now if I play a sneaky Logi, it works almost better than my scout. I can carry RE's, uplinks, and another equipment piece of my choice. The only downside to my Server suit is that it's a bit slower and I can't jump as high as my scout suit. Frankly less jumping ability is more of a hindrance than a slightly slower sprinting speed. If CCP isn't going to do anything to scouts, then I am going to say that either Aim Assist needs to go, 10% boost to weapon damage needs to go, or else AR needs to have more dispersion when fired on full auto with a decreased max effective range on some models of the AR. Because frankly, the AR is every bit as OP right now as the HMG of old. Some of the models are just too accurate and at too long of a range even when fired at full automatic, and we aren't talking the TAR here. If not all 3 of these, but that might be a bit much. I don't want scouts to be uber powerful, but I want them to bring something to the table. Right now they don't bring much, and the more organized of a enemy team you get, the harder it is to use a scout. I'll amend that to say depending on team playstyles. If it is an unguarded/lightly guarded objective I can still make a scout work. Anyway, we do need something more, but frankly I don't think hp is it.
Patrick57 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 1264	Posted - 2013.11.06 02:10:00 - [37] - Quote I've noticed that with AA the game really does require just stacking HP. I used to be able to run a fast(er) Amarr Logi with just 333 Armor (and do pretty well too), and today I had some of the worst matches ever. Call it QQ, I really don't care. :D
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 917	Posted - 2013.11.06 02:31:00 - [38] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: Boot Booter wrote: Not true, the game is way better. It actually makes lighter suits viable again because the favored weapons of those suits (shotty, knives, SMG, etc) actually hit. My first match I went 21 and 3 with about 450 eHP. In what world does bad hit detection make a game better? You clearly haven't played today, or just aren't a Scout. Knives are no better. DUST is not a twitch shooter, even in 500HP Med Frames I was dropping fast to Duvolles. A whole 500 EHP!!!!! 500EHP is nothing, my covenant assault suit I have around 650EHP 500 EHP used to be alot back in Chrome. Like a hell of alot. Yet... You could live for a long time back then because HD was worse, strafing was better, and there was no AA. Truth be told. I liked those days better than now. I remember those days and while they seem fonder, in retrospect the 1 v 1 gun battles where you both would reload 2 or 3 times before someone would die while strafing back and forth like some sort of dancer in a spacesuit were kind of ridiculous Staying alive, staying alive. Im running out of ammo, somebody help me yeah. You can tell by the way I use my strafe that I am staying alive http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_izvAbhExY
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 917	Posted - 2013.11.06 02:34:00 - [39] - Quote Played for a few minutes and quit match just running infantry and checked my dropship inventory and from ten it was down to 7 .......yeah. So hows that work? CCP? I deploy ZERO vehicles and they are gone from inventory?.......
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL The Ascendancy 646	Posted - 2013.11.06 02:35:00 - [40] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: TTK got even lower. GG, CCP, I'm glad you improved the hit detection, but the game has come down to who can fit the highest tank now. I cant stand to play another match today, hopefully it was just a bad day. yeah i bet 1.6 really sucks for u scouts sorry knight

Melchiah ARANeAE The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 223	Posted - 2013.11.06 02:38:00 - [41] - Quote Boot Booter wrote: Not true, the game is way better. It actually makes lighter suits viable again because the favored weapons of those suits (shotty, knives, SMG, etc) actually hit. My first match I went 21 and 3 with about 450 eHP. In what world does bad hit detection make a game better? Light suits shouldn't really have 450 ehp. Scouts should, in theory anyway, only really use biotics and scanning mods. The fact that you have to tank a suit that isn't meant to tank to make it useable shows that there's something extremely wrong here... 'Insert witty signature here'
Thang Bausch Pierrot Le Fou Industries 75	Posted - 2013.11.06 02:55:00 - [42] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: Boot Booter wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I would prefer to actually be able to hit things and die slightly quicker than randomly have my weapon refuse to work properly when fighting which will get me killed for sure. I'm all for being able to hit things but I'm also sick of being put down by automatic death machines at ranges they have no right to be killing at. Try strafing..... WHAT!? Even when I was sprinting, at 10.36m/s, I was dropped by a Duvolle in under half a second. And no, I wasn't running away, or toward him. my corp mates and I spent the night getting mowed down in milliseconds by ARs, sometimes at ridiculous ranges. one time I saw the bullet trailers spraying around me as it should at a really long range but every bullet did damage despite the visual suggesting that they were missing me.
Cenex Langly D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 323	Posted - 2013.11.06 03:00:00 - [43] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: TTK got even lower. GG, CCP, I'm glad you improved the hit detection, but the game has come down to who can fit the highest tank now. I cant stand to play another match today, hopefully it was just a bad day. I have to say. I feel the same way. I just logged out and do not intend to log back in until I read about a hotfix addressing this issue. Director (Management) D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 1974	Posted - 2013.11.06 03:13:00 - [44] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: Shotty, not to sound annoyed, or bitchy, but STFU. You guys have been complaining for the past 3 months. Why don't you guys decide what you think to be the issue, and preach that until CCP does it. You guys say you don't need a HP buff, but say you die so fast that whatever you so you lose. What is the issue with scouts, if HP is, but isn't an issue? Don't be angry at me, Meeko. You've got the wrong guy. I am not the one responsible for breaking the Scout or breaking the Heavy. It was not I who broke CQC dynamics, such that they favor of mid-range weapons. Never have I advocated to make EZ Mode easier. Yet here we are, and you're angry at me. (?) I seek only balance and look forward to the day when the Medium Frame is once again threatened by stalwart Heavy and sneaky Scout.
Patrick57 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 1273	Posted - 2013.11.06 03:14:00 - [45] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: Shotty, not to sound annoyed, or bitchy, but STFU. You guys have been complaining for the past 3 months. Why don't you guys decide what you think to be the issue, and preach that until CCP does it. You guys say you don't need a HP buff, but say you die so fast that whatever you so you lose. What is the issue with scouts, if HP is, but isn't an issue? Don't be angry at me, Meeko. You've got the wrong guy. I am not the one responsible for breaking the Scout or breaking the Heavy. It was not I who broke CQC dynamics, such that they favor of mid-range weapons. Never have I advocated to make EZ Mode easier. I seek only balance and look forward to the day when the Medium Frame is once again threatened by stalwart Heavy and sneaky Scout. As long as HMGs don't have the range they did in Chrome, I'm good :D :D
Krom Ganesh Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 559	Posted - 2013.11.06 03:19:00 - [46] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: You guys have been complaining for the past 3 months. Why don't you guys decide what you think to be the issue, and preach that until CCP does it. That is proving to be incredibly difficult because every time we think we have figured out what is needed to make scouts viable, CCP manages to make the scout even worse.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1885	Posted - 2013.11.06 10:50:00 - [47] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Shotty GoBang wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: Shotty, not to sound annoyed, or bitchy, but STFU. You guys have been complaining for the past 3 months. Why don't you guys decide what you think to be the issue, and preach that until CCP does it. You guys say you don't need a HP buff, but say you die so fast that whatever you so you lose. What is the issue with scouts, if HP is, but isn't an issue? Don't be angry at me, Meeko. You've got the wrong guy. I am not the one responsible for breaking the Scout or breaking the Heavy. It was not I who broke CQC dynamics, such that they favor of mid-range weapons. Never have I advocated to make EZ Mode easier. I seek only balance and look forward to the day when the Medium Frame is once again threatened by stalwart Heavy and sneaky Scout. As long as HMGs don't have the range they did in Chrome, I'm good :D But i want the hmg buffed though, it sucks....... Sinboto - The True Blood Minja. Forum Warrior level 1 Fix my class already
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 684	Posted - 2013.11.06 10:54:00 - [48] - Quote All it is, basically, is a bunch of pussies crutching on proto gear. That's all. Without their Duvolles, they're nothing. If we had meta-matchmaking, I'd never see these people. Ever. I go commando in my Commando. Feels good, man.
Nestil Seraphim Auxiliaries 78	Posted - 2013.11.06 11:39:00 - [49] - Quote yesterday i got killed in my proto scout suit while using a laser rifle by some adv assault scrub with his ezscrublol duvolle at 72+ meters.., so yeah the new patch is awesome if you're a AR scrub. but i used the next game a mlt mini light frame with the adv breach SG and went 16/2. breach SG is still bugged since it takes 1 sec to get the dmg registered after the Hit. all in all the new patch sucks for ppl without running with ezmode automatic guns...i hate it i have so much fun,that i rarely play anymore :/
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 317	Posted - 2013.11.06 11:53:00 - [50] - Quote Nestil wrote: yesterday i got killed in my proto scout suit while using a laser rifle by some adv assault scrub with his ezscrublol duvolle at 72+ meters.., so yeah the new patch is awesome if you're a AR scrub. but i used the next game a mlt mini light frame with the adv breach SG and went 16/2. breach SG is still bugged since it takes 1 sec to get the dmg registered after the Hit. all in all the new patch sucks for ppl without running with ezmode automatic guns...i hate it i have so much fun,that i rarely play anymore :/ Only way to enjoy the game is to do what I did, spec into fully automatic weapons. CCP please make our decisions matter. AR 514. Core Locus 514. Bricktank 514.

DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles 2607	Posted - 2013.11.06 20:18:00 - [51] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: DJINN Marauder wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: Boot Booter wrote: Not true, the game is way better. It actually makes lighter suits viable again because the favored weapons of those suits (shotty, knives, SMG, etc) actually hit. My first match I went 21 and 3 with about 450 eHP. In what world does bad hit detection make a game better? You clearly haven't played today, or just aren't a Scout. Knives are no better. DUST is not a twitch shooter, even in 500HP Med Frames I was dropping fast to Duvolles. A whole 500 EHP!!!!! 500EHP is nothing, my covenant assault suit I have around 650EHP 500 EHP used to be alot back in Chrome. Like a hell of alot. Yet... You could live for a long time back then because HD was worse, strafing was better, and there was no AA. Truth be told. I liked those days better than now. I remember those days and while they seem fonder, in retrospect the 1 v 1 gun battles where you both would reload 2 or 3 times before someone would die while strafing back and forth like some sort of dancer in a spacesuit were kind of ridiculous Riciculous? How so? That is what I loved about this game. Because you had to aim while strafing back in forth, it made it feel more rewarding being able to kill people. Now? I just aim AR at them and they can't even react fast enough to start strafing. Back then, scouts were awesome at strafing gunfire. It was great. However all that was probly due to shoddy hit detection. But man... Did I love those days... GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 2
Jane Madson DIRTY LAUNDRY 514 145	Posted - 2013.11.06 20:40:00 - [52] - Quote Hit detection is better. My HMG andSMG are working like they should. Things are looking better and better. Looking forward to 1.7
Soldiersaint Deepspace Digital 526	Posted - 2013.11.06 20:44:00 - [53] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: TTK got even lower. GG, CCP, I'm glad you improved the hit detection, but the game has come down to who can fit the highest tank now. I cant stand to play another match today, hopefully it was just a bad day. Why does everybody always complain when they die fast. Every online game ive played since i was a kid has been like this. Let me guess its because you all want to be rambo? If you hide behind cover and camp a little you wont have any problems. If you run around non stop then....well you can kiss your isk goodbye from all the deaths you will get.
Knight Soiaire R 0 N 1 N 3090	Posted - 2013.11.06 20:58:00 - [54] - Quote Soldiersaint wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: TTK got even lower. GG, CCP, I'm glad you improved the hit detection, but the game has come down to who can fit the highest tank now. I cant stand to play another match today, hopefully it was just a bad day. Why does everybody always complain when they die fast. Every online game ive played since i was a kid has been like this. Let me guess its because you all want to be rambo? If you hide behind cover and camp a little you wont have any problems. If you run around non stop then....well you can kiss your isk goodbye from all the deaths you will get. This is supposed to be a tracking shooter, not a twitch shooter. Raffle draw will be in 2-3 days Save General John Ripper! Catz Addict
CharCharOdell 1478	Posted - 2013.11.06 21:03:00 - [55] - Quote One reason scouts may be having so much trouble is that they don't have any weapon that can outrange the AR. When we get the CR, I for see scouts coming into their own as long range skirmishers who pick off duvolle mediums at 9 and run away before they can be in the AR range. Gùñ-é-º+¼+ò+¦GÖÑ+ú+ú+¡ GÖÑ'Ðe+ü+üGùÑ Gùú -ä>-üð+++Ç++§<-¡<-¡ Gùó Speaker of the Mangrove / King of QQ / Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1764	Posted - 2013.11.06 21:28:00 - [56] - Quote I've been sticking with my middling 500 eHP amarr logi suit and am experimentiing with longer range weapons. My KDR is slowly improving from where it was a couple of months ago. I think the people crying about TTK are the ones running headlong into closer range against AR fire. STOP IT!


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