DUST Search - 1.6 Made the game worse

Shotty GoBang wrote:

Boot Booter wrote:

Not true, the game is way better. It actually makes lighter suits viable again because the favored weapons of those suits (shotty, knives, SMG, etc) actually hit. My first match I went 21 and 3 with about 450 eHP.

Shotgun - Improved.
SMG - No change.
Knives - No change.
EZ Mode - ScRs and ARs outperform SG and HMG in CQC ... to an even greater degree than before.
Net Result - EZ Mode now Easier. All other modes now Harder.

Boot Booter wrote:

In what world does bad hit detection make a game better?

In a world where medium-range weapons outperform CQC specialty weapons ... in close quarters.
In a world where a Medium-Frame can tank point-blank shotgun blasts, then turn around and hipfire you to death.
In a world where the guy who snuck up behind you and charged his Knives can't kill you.

Does your grenade spam followed still work?

You are a tourist. Glad you had fun that one match.
Though I'd implore you to defer opinions on Scout "viability" to non-tourists.
Non-tourists like OP, who is a Scout. Who is right in this case. While you are wrong.

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Knight Soiaire R 0 N 1 N 3043	Posted - 2013.11.05 19:24:00 - [1] - Quote TTK got even lower. GG, CCP, I'm glad you improved the hit detection, but the game has come down to who can fit the highest tank now. I cant stand to play another match today, hopefully it was just a bad day. Raffle draw will be in 2-3 days Save General John Ripper!
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 4618	Posted - 2013.11.05 19:25:00 - [2] - Quote I would prefer to actually be able to hit things and die slightly quicker than randomly have my weapon refuse to work properly when fighting which will get me killed for sure. Level 4 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1849	Posted - 2013.11.05 19:29:00 - [3] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I would prefer to actually be able to hit things and die slightly quicker than randomly have my weapon refuse to work properly when fighting which will get me killed for sure. I'm all for being able to hit things but I'm also sick of being put down by automatic death machines at ranges they have no right to be killing at. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja. Forum Warrior level 1 Tryhard Veteran
Boot Booter Omega Elite Mercs INC. 121	Posted - 2013.11.05 19:29:00 - [4] - Quote Not true, the game is way better. It actually makes lighter suits viable again because the favored weapons of those suits (shotty, knives, SMG, etc) actually hit. My first match I went 21 and 3 with about 450 eHP. In what world does bad hit detection make a game better?
Boot Booter Omega Elite Mercs INC. 121	Posted - 2013.11.05 19:30:00 - [5] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I would prefer to actually be able to hit things and die slightly quicker than randomly have my weapon refuse to work properly when fighting which will get me killed for sure. I'm all for being able to hit things but I'm also sick of being put down by automatic death machines at ranges they have no right to be killing at. Try strafing..... WHAT!?
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1849	Posted - 2013.11.05 19:33:00 - [6] - Quote Boot Booter wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I would prefer to actually be able to hit things and die slightly quicker than randomly have my weapon refuse to work properly when fighting which will get me killed for sure. I'm all for being able to hit things but I'm also sick of being put down by automatic death machines at ranges they have no right to be killing at. Try strafing..... WHAT!? Yeah because the guy in the scout suit is standing still Edit: Dumbass Sinboto - The True Blood Minja. Forum Warrior level 1 Tryhard Veteran
Knight Soiaire R 0 N 1 N 3044	Posted - 2013.11.05 19:33:00 - [7] - Quote Boot Booter wrote: Not true, the game is way better. It actually makes lighter suits viable again because the favored weapons of those suits (shotty, knives, SMG, etc) actually hit. My first match I went 21 and 3 with about 450 eHP. In what world does bad hit detection make a game better? You clearly haven't played today, or just aren't a Scout. Knives are no better. DUST is not a twitch shooter, even in 500HP Med Frames I was dropping fast to Duvolles. Raffle draw will be in 2-3 days Save General John Ripper!
Knight Soiaire R 0 N 1 N 3044	Posted - 2013.11.05 19:35:00 - [8] - Quote Boot Booter wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I would prefer to actually be able to hit things and die slightly quicker than randomly have my weapon refuse to work properly when fighting which will get me killed for sure. I'm all for being able to hit things but I'm also sick of being put down by automatic death machines at ranges they have no right to be killing at. Try strafing..... WHAT!? Even when I was sprinting, at 10.36m/s, I was dropped by a Duvolle in under half a second. And no, I wasn't running away, or toward him. Raffle draw will be in 2-3 days Save General John Ripper!
ShinyJay RETR0 PR0 GAMERS 136	Posted - 2013.11.05 19:36:00 - [9] - Quote this game is all about EHP and who has the highest damaging AR now. to me it is minnie scout sniper, always on the move, always ready for action,
Ryder Azorria Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 693	Posted - 2013.11.05 19:42:00 - [10] - Quote I don't know about you, but I'd rather have a working game with a low TTK than a game where living or dying was mostly determined by whether or not the server was in a good mood. TTK can be fixed easily - fundamental flaws with the engine, not so much. Also, I'd like to remind people that knifes are not meant to be a primary weapon - and using them as such will generally put you at a disadvantage.

Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1359	Posted - 2013.11.05 19:43:00 - [11] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: TTK got even lower. GG, CCP, I'm glad you improved the hit detection, but the game has come down to who can fit the highest tank now. I cant stand to play another match today, hopefully it was just a bad day. You know, Volgair coined TTK.
Knight Soiaire R 0 N 1 N 3045	Posted - 2013.11.05 19:44:00 - [12] - Quote Ryder Azorria wrote: I don't know about you, but I'd rather have a working game with a low TTK than a game where living or dying was mostly determined by whether or not the server was in a good mood. TTK can be fixed easily - fundamental flaws with the engine, not so much. Also, I'd like to remind people that knifes are not meant to be a primary weapon - and using them as such will generally put you at a disadvantage. I understand that. But am I really expected to wait a month through what is basically a twitch shooter? Knives aren't ineffective, they're just broken. They're balanced, they do enough damage, although could use that dash ability they've been talking about. They just have the worst HD in the game right now. Raffle draw will be in 2-3 days Save General John Ripper!
Boot Booter Omega Elite Mercs INC. 121	Posted - 2013.11.05 20:13:00 - [13] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: Boot Booter wrote: Not true, the game is way better. It actually makes lighter suits viable again because the favored weapons of those suits (shotty, knives, SMG, etc) actually hit. My first match I went 21 and 3 with about 450 eHP. In what world does bad hit detection make a game better? You clearly haven't played today, or just aren't a Scout. Knives are no better. DUST is not a twitch shooter, even in 500HP Med Frames I was dropping fast to Duvolles. I have played.. I just assumed that knives got better cause the shotty feels pretty good. No I'm not a scout but big play a very light minmatar assault, so I understand how easy it is to die. It also means you can kill quickly before people get more than a few shots off. And stop telling dust what it is or isn't. Obviously it's not a twitch shooter, but maybe they didn't intend it to take 5 secs to kill people every time.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1030	Posted - 2013.11.05 20:15:00 - [14] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I would prefer to actually be able to hit things and die slightly quicker than randomly have my weapon refuse to work properly when fighting which will get me killed for sure. I'm all for being able to hit things but I'm also sick of being put down by automatic death machines at ranges they have no right to be killing at. Or dumping into a reddots back only to have them turn around and two-shot you.... So much skill involved there... Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives.... Martyr for the Republic Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Scheherazade VII 57	Posted - 2013.11.05 20:18:00 - [15] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: Boot Booter wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I would prefer to actually be able to hit things and die slightly quicker than randomly have my weapon refuse to work properly when fighting which will get me killed for sure. I'm all for being able to hit things but I'm also sick of being put down by automatic death machines at ranges they have no right to be killing at. Try strafing..... WHAT!? Even when I was sprinting, at 10.36m/s, I was dropped by a Duvolle in under half a second. And no, I wasn't running away, or toward him. then step it up to 10.37 On a side note I guess I better run my Mass Driver from now on. GêÜGëêDUST VIDEOSGëêGêÜ
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 549	Posted - 2013.11.05 20:26:00 - [16] - Quote Good thing my heavy and my commando got HP buffs
Meeko Fent Expert Intervention Caldari State 1373	Posted - 2013.11.05 20:52:00 - [17] - Quote Rollback the 10% damage buff. Hell, do it in a hotfix CCP. Just... Do it. Meeko's Novelty Shop Opening Soon! We (will)sell all the novelty items you desire! Really! King of Uncertainty.
IRON PATRIOT 1 Pradox One Proficiency V. 50	Posted - 2013.11.05 21:01:00 - [18] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: TTK got even lower. GG, CCP, I'm glad you improved the hit detection, but the game has come down to who can fit the highest tank now. I cant stand to play another match today, hopefully it was just a bad day. As it should be now std and mlt weapons don't kill as fast proto.
Boot Booter Omega Elite Mercs INC. 122	Posted - 2013.11.05 21:06:00 - [19] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: Rollback the 10% damage buff. Hell, do it in a hotfix CCP. Just... Do it. Not a bad idea. As it was to compensate for poor hit detection.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 315	Posted - 2013.11.05 21:18:00 - [20] - Quote The TTK is too short, sure, but I like the game better in many ways now. To be clear, I'm no twitch-shooter master, and would likely do much better with a longer TTK. BUT.... too twitchy or not, I very much appreciate the fact that it's not completely random whether or not my shots hit the target and I, not the server, have some influence on whether or not I lose a firefight. Thing is, there's not much point making a major balance pass right now with the new weapons coming out in a month. It would be wasted effort to an extent because the rail and combat rifles need to be out in the wild for a while before we know what really needs to be done. Templar'd for her pleasure Amarr victor!

MassiveNine 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 407	Posted - 2013.11.05 21:33:00 - [21] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: Rollback the 10% damage buff. Hell, do it in a hotfix CCP. Just... Do it. do it on everything except the hmg and forge and I'd be a happy camper, things would actually be in place then.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1360	Posted - 2013.11.05 21:38:00 - [22] - Quote MassiveNine wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: Rollback the 10% damage buff. Hell, do it in a hotfix CCP. Just... Do it. do it on everything except the hmg and forge and I'd be a happy camper, things would actually be in place then. And the swarms, SG, AR, smg, PLC and flaylock and I will also be happy.
VAHZZ The dyst0pian Corporation 25	Posted - 2013.11.05 23:35:00 - [23] - Quote Boot Booter wrote: Not true, the game is way better. It actually makes lighter suits viable again because the favored weapons of those suits (shotty, knives, SMG, etc) actually hit. My first match I went 21 and 3 with about 450 eHP. In what world does bad hit detection make a game better? What are you talking about? Us Scouts die fast like a junebug! You obviously haven't played scout cause there is no way you went 21/3...you must be smokin' somethin' fierce. > Master of the Sniper and rookie NKer
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 1967	Posted - 2013.11.05 23:42:00 - [24] - Quote Boot Booter wrote: Not true, the game is way better. It actually makes lighter suits viable again because the favored weapons of those suits (shotty, knives, SMG, etc) actually hit. My first match I went 21 and 3 with about 450 eHP. Shotgun - Improved. SMG - No change. Knives - No change. EZ Mode - ScRs and ARs outperform SG and HMG in CQC ... to an even greater degree than before. Boot Booter wrote: In what world does bad hit detection make a game better? In a world where Medium-Range weapons outperform CQC specialty weapons ... in close quarters. In a world where a Medium-Frame can tank 3-5 shotgun blasts. In a world where the guy who snuck up behind you and charged his Knife can't kill you.
iceyburnz Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 1184	Posted - 2013.11.06 00:06:00 - [25] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I would prefer to actually be able to hit things and die slightly quicker than randomly have my weapon refuse to work properly when fighting which will get me killed for sure. I particularly enjoyed the bit, in previous versions, were people would stop taking damage at exactly 50% armour, that was always fun.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 403	Posted - 2013.11.06 00:36:00 - [26] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: Boot Booter wrote: Not true, the game is way better. It actually makes lighter suits viable again because the favored weapons of those suits (shotty, knives, SMG, etc) actually hit. My first match I went 21 and 3 with about 450 eHP. In what world does bad hit detection make a game better? You clearly haven't played today, or just aren't a Scout. Knives are no better. DUST is not a twitch shooter, even in 500HP Med Frames I was dropping fast to Duvolles. A whole 500 EHP!!!!! 500EHP is nothing, my covenant assault suit I have around 650EHP
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 403	Posted - 2013.11.06 00:37:00 - [27] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: Boot Booter wrote: Not true, the game is way better. It actually makes lighter suits viable again because the favored weapons of those suits (shotty, knives, SMG, etc) actually hit. My first match I went 21 and 3 with about 450 eHP. Shotgun - Improved. SMG - No change. Knives - No change. EZ Mode - ScRs and ARs outperform SG and HMG in CQC ... to an even greater degree than before. Net Result - EZ Mode now Easier. All other modes now Harder. Boot Booter wrote: In what world does bad hit detection make a game better? In a world where medium-range weapons outperform CQC specialty weapons ... in close quarters. In a world where a Medium-Frame can tank point-blank shotgun blasts, then turn around and hipfire you to death. In a world where the guy who snuck up behind you and charged his Knives can't kill you. Does your grenade spam followed still work? You are a tourist. Glad you had fun that one match. Though I'd implore you to defer opinions on Scout "viability" to non-tourists. Non-tourists like OP, who is a Scout. Who is right in this case. While you are wrong.
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles 2547	Posted - 2013.11.06 00:46:00 - [28] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: Boot Booter wrote: Not true, the game is way better. It actually makes lighter suits viable again because the favored weapons of those suits (shotty, knives, SMG, etc) actually hit. My first match I went 21 and 3 with about 450 eHP. In what world does bad hit detection make a game better? You clearly haven't played today, or just aren't a Scout. Knives are no better. DUST is not a twitch shooter, even in 500HP Med Frames I was dropping fast to Duvolles. A whole 500 EHP!!!!! 500EHP is nothing, my covenant assault suit I have around 650EHP 500 EHP used to be alot back in Chrome. Like a hell of alot. Yet... You could live for a long time back then because HD was worse, strafing was better, and there was no AA. Truth be told. I liked those days better than now. GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 2
Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 915	Posted - 2013.11.06 00:46:00 - [29] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I would prefer to actually be able to hit things and die slightly quicker than randomly have my weapon refuse to work properly when fighting which will get me killed for sure. I'm all for being able to hit things but I'm also sick of being put down by automatic death machines at ranges they have no right to be killing at. Or dumping into a reddots back only to have them turn around and two-shot you.... So much skill involved there... Or fighting 1 guy and accidentally killing a scout 40m behind him! We are happy it works don't get us wrong, but when the TTK between suits varying by 300hp is about 0.8 secs why bother with modules at all? The pen is mightier than the sword The gun is mightier than both
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 1737	Posted - 2013.11.06 00:53:00 - [30] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: We are happy it works don't get us wrong, but when the TTK between suits varying by 300hp is about 0.8 secs why bother with modules at all? I suspect they are there for psychological purposes... however, it's also possible they are simply paper mache too.



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