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Coleman Gray GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 900	Posted - 2013.11.04 09:37:00 - [1] - Quote You removed some vehicles because "they didn't have a viable role" well neither does the plasma cannon. It's too slow to be an AV weapon, by the time the round has landed the target has moved, and even when it hits the damage simply isn't enough to warrant the slow travel time. It's next to impossible to hit a player even with the AoE which does little damage so if the AoE damage is little even to a player, why would it bother any vehicle? The Plasma Cannon needs reworking, perhaps so much it gains a new use than was originally intended? Maybe rather than an AV weapon, use it as an anti-personel mortar? The slow travel time would be fine if the AoE radius and Damage was buffed. I won't lie, I enjoy the plasma cannon still, it is a fun weapon and the idea of it is cool and all. But just because people enjoy a weapon doesn't mean it's viable. Any thoughts from anyone else? do you think it's fine? needs a buff in a differn't area?
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 9853	Posted - 2013.11.04 09:40:00 - [2] - Quote Jokingly the CPM wanted to add the following to 1.6 patch notes -Did not adjust plasma cannon its perfect where it is. Unfortunately there will be changes possible now that the swarm launcher has been brought in line with it as the field begins to shift on what weapons are classing as what. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Curren/t Theme \\= Advanced Heavy Machine Gun =// Unlocked.
Broonfondle Majikthies Bannana Boat Corp 385	Posted - 2013.11.04 09:42:00 - [3] - Quote Not viable?? Tell that to Ghaz "We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!"
Coleman Gray GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 900	Posted - 2013.11.04 09:49:00 - [4] - Quote Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: Not viable?? Tell that to Ghaz If you use any weapon enough times your going to get a kill, doesn't mean it's viable.
Faquira Bleuetta MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 139	Posted - 2013.11.04 09:55:00 - [5] - Quote if plasma canon where a character in street fighter it will probably be dan hibiki
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 9853	Posted - 2013.11.04 09:56:00 - [6] - Quote No but any weapon that has a known skill barrier that can be surpassed and then repeated reliably used once breaking that barrier can make it not only viable but OP. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Curren/t Theme \\= Advanced Heavy Machine Gun =// Unlocked.
Chibi Andy Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 634	Posted - 2013.11.04 09:56:00 - [7] - Quote CCP should remove the scout and heavies since those two suits aren't functioning as its suppose to us heavies only have 1 suit and 2 heavy weapons. not a lot of variety for us heavy users that wants to stay in the heavy role. this is assault/logi 514 We abandoned the cause, our immortality is for hire!!! ßòÖ(GçÇGÇ+Gå+GÇ¦)ßòù
Commander Marquess 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 48	Posted - 2013.11.04 09:58:00 - [8] - Quote You obviously haven't read the description of the PLC. Nowhere does it say it's an AV weapon... "The Plasma Cannon is a single shot, direct fire weapon developed by Allotek industries primarily for use in urban operations and confined space combat" where does it say anywhere in that description that it was meant for AV? >"You want to fuck with the Eagles, you have to learn to fly." `- Heather Chandler`
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 308	Posted - 2013.11.04 09:58:00 - [9] - Quote Coleman Gray wrote: Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: Not viable?? Tell that to Ghaz If you use any weapon enough times your going to get a kill, doesn't mean it's viable. All of the kills were on scout suits. Or a highly damaged assaults. Scavenger kills, not earned. :/ If you can read this, it means you are reading.
Keri Starlight Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1781	Posted - 2013.11.04 10:00:00 - [10] - Quote Faquira Bleuetta wrote: if plasma canon where a character in street fighter it will probably be dan hibiki +1 for the reference. -Caldari Achura - One with the Universe -Tac AR Specialist "I load my gun with love instead of bullets"

Broonfondle Majikthies Bannana Boat Corp 386	Posted - 2013.11.04 10:00:00 - [11] - Quote Coleman Gray wrote: Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: Not viable?? Tell that to Ghaz If you use any weapon enough times your going to get a kill, doesn't mean it's viable. I've seen him take out DS's, gunners on a DS, Tanks, infantry in at all ranges and top the kill feed Look at the vids again - He's using a freaking logi fit - ITS HIS ONLY WEAPON and he kicks ass "We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!"
Coleman Gray GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 900	Posted - 2013.11.04 10:01:00 - [12] - Quote Commander Marquess wrote: You obviously haven't read the description of the PLC. Nowhere does it say it's an AV weapon... "The Plasma Cannon is a single shot, direct fire weapon developed by Allotek industries primarily for use in urban operations and confined space combat" where does it say anywhere in that description that it was meant for AV? If Preparation is half of the battle and knowing is the other half, Then there is no need to fight.
Commander Marquess 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 48	Posted - 2013.11.04 10:03:00 - [13] - Quote Coleman Gray wrote: You removed some vehicles because "they didn't have a viable role" well neither does the plasma cannon. It's too slow to be an AV weapon, by the time the round has landed the target has moved, and even when it hits the damage simply isn't enough to warrant the slow travel time. It's next to impossible to hit a player even with the AoE which does little damage so if the AoE damage is little even to a player, why would it bother any vehicle? The Plasma Cannon needs reworking, perhaps so much it gains a new use than was originally intended? Maybe rather than an AV weapon, use it as an anti-personel mortar? The slow travel time would be fine if the AoE radius and Damage was buffed. I won't lie, I enjoy the plasma cannon still, it is a fun weapon and the idea of it is cool and all. But just because people enjoy a weapon doesn't mean it's viable. Any thoughts from anyone else? do you think it's fine? needs a buff in a differn't area? I for one love my PLC, I have prof 4, it's really fun and I get decent kills with it! I think it's fine I think it's splash radius could probably go up by .5 of a meter though... >"You want to fuck with the Eagles, you have to learn to fly." `- Heather Chandler`
Borne Velvalor Endless Hatred 891	Posted - 2013.11.04 10:14:00 - [14] - Quote Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: Not viable?? Tell that to Ghaz In his Domination video he goes 12/2. Meanwhile, I'm using an advanced suit and mostly standard modules with a standard Laser Rifle going the same on the same map with no effort. The Laser Rifle isn't even that great half the time. Seriously. He's good at the PLC, most players are not. Maybe they could be if they invested a huge amount of time into it. The Plasma Cannon is a big Flaylock Pistol at close range, which isn't too bad. At longer ranges, the projectile is still kind of slow, even after the buff, and you need to have very good judgement to get anything other than splash kills on weakened enemies, especially when they are moving. It's not impossible to use, but it takes a lot more effort and skill to use than pretty much any other weapon in the game to get comparable performance. It's hard to balance because it's a high burst damage weapon. If you make it too easy to use, everyone screams OP because of the instadeath. If you make it too hard to use, no one uses it and everyone screams UP. Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn. Panda.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 302	Posted - 2013.11.04 10:16:00 - [15] - Quote Stopped using plasma cannon in 1.4, when TTK became insanely fast. Plasma cannon should get a lock on if the TTK continues to be like this. GûîGöéGûêGòæGûîGòæGûîGòæ la+äa+ú-ö-¦ +º-¦a¦Åt-ö-éta¦Ça¦Åa+á -ö+É-öa+¼-öa+ä-¦ a+¼a¦Çll a+áa¦Åt a+úa+ä+¬-ö +Éa¦Åa+ó +ª-¦a¦Åa¦ô t-Æa¦Ça+ú a¦Æ-öa+äa¦ô... GòæGûîGòæGûîGòæGûêGöéGûî
Jebus McKing Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 152	Posted - 2013.11.04 10:26:00 - [16] - Quote Fast sprinting Minmatar suit with PLC + SMG = fun and effective. (At least in pubs, haven't tried using it in PC matches yet.) Run at people and try to hit them with the PLC close range, finish them off with SMG if needed. Or use it as a mid range area denial weapon, its up to you. @JebusMcKing // Rifle stats comparison spreadsheet. ò_Ô
steadyhand amarr MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 1676	Posted - 2013.11.04 10:36:00 - [17] - Quote Players who are good with plc are just as scary as those who master scr skill wepones quickly become op in the right hands :-P "my faith is my shield, the empress's light my guide and my fury my sword" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
The Eristic Sad Panda Solutions 61	Posted - 2013.11.04 10:44:00 - [18] - Quote Commander Marquess wrote: I for one love my PLC, I have prof 4, it's really fun and I get decent kills with it! I think it's fine I think it's splash radius could probably go up by .5 of a meter though... I agree. Bit bigger splash, better hit detection (still ghosts through targets quite a bit if the hit isn't dead on) and improved reticle to help judge where the projectile will land (so one need not expend precious ammo to test range as regularly, nor potentially give one's self away - the MD reticle is pretty decent in this regard) would all go a long way towards improving the PLC for those who dedicate the time and effort to it without going too far.
Roldrage The Plasma Cannon Doctrine 240	Posted - 2013.11.04 13:23:00 - [19] - Quote That's right, REDUCE weapon diversity, too many people are using too many types of weapons already and I don't like the plasma cannon so let's get rid of it. Founder of the Cannon Fever chat channel for plasma cannon users, join now for fun plasma related times!
Roldrage The Plasma Cannon Doctrine 240	Posted - 2013.11.04 13:26:00 - [20] - Quote All it seriously needs though is a small increase in splash and the bugs fixing. Founder of the Cannon Fever chat channel for plasma cannon users, join now for fun plasma related times!

Roofer Madness A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 488	Posted - 2013.11.04 13:39:00 - [21] - Quote Coleman Gray wrote: You removed some vehicles because "they didn't have a viable role" well neither does the plasma cannon. It's too slow to be an AV weapon, by the time the round has landed the target has moved, and even when it hits the damage simply isn't enough to warrant the slow travel time. It's next to impossible to hit a player even with the AoE which does little damage so if the AoE damage is little even to a player, why would it bother any vehicle? The Plasma Cannon needs reworking, perhaps so much it gains a new use than was originally intended? Maybe rather than an AV weapon, use it as an anti-personel mortar? The slow travel time would be fine if the AoE radius and Damage was buffed. I won't lie, I enjoy the plasma cannon still, it is a fun weapon and the idea of it is cool and all. But just because people enjoy a weapon doesn't mean it's viable. Any thoughts from anyone else? do you think it's fine? needs a buff in a differn't area? You are awarded no points and may God have mercy on your soul. But seriously, I couldn't even read your OP after the first few sentences. You're doing it wrong... lol I routinely post games like 24-2, 17-1, 14-0, 11-0 with the plasma cannon. Are these slayer's scores? Nope. But I'm a logi and really don't care. I can run my Duvolle if I just really have to **** in someone's cereal. I've soloed maaaaany tanks and blown up LAVS before they could even react with a flux/plasma combo. Hell, I one time even put aerosol back in a can. Ok, that last one is made up but the rest is true! The Dust 514 AFK song Plasma Cannon FTW
CRYPT3C W0LF Rift Warriors 8	Posted - 2013.11.04 13:43:00 - [22] - Quote Quote: "The Plasma Cannon is a single shot, direct fire weapon developed by Allotek industries primarily for use in urban operations and confined space combat" The reason it is so difficult to use is the fact it was meant for space combat, as they wouldn't have had to factor in velocity drop nor decreases in speed since their would be firing it within a vacuum (space) The plasma cannon simply IS a poor example of retrofitted weapon that serves no real purpose (although its pretty fun to use )
trraacx Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 13	Posted - 2013.11.04 14:22:00 - [23] - Quote The plasma cannon needs a projectile view. It ise the only weapon in the game that can reach out and touch someone over a wall and outside the range of most weapons. If you could see where your rounds were hitting, it would be awesome at removing the well planted.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2004	Posted - 2013.11.04 14:34:00 - [24] - Quote Commander Marquess wrote: You obviously haven't read the description of the PLC. Nowhere does it say it's an AV weapon... "The Plasma Cannon is a single shot, direct fire weapon developed by Allotek industries primarily for use in urban operations and confined space combat" where does it say anywhere in that description that it was meant for AV? By that description, it should be competing with the mass driver. Even the breach is more desireable than the PlaC. I'm supposed to put something here?
Makuta Miserix Better Hide R Die 175	Posted - 2013.11.04 14:37:00 - [25] - Quote CRYPT3C W0LF wrote: Quote: "The Plasma Cannon is a single shot, direct fire weapon developed by Allotek industries primarily for use in urban operations and confined space combat" The reason it is so difficult to use is the fact it was meant for space combat, as they wouldn't have had to factor in velocity drop nor decreases in speed since their would be firing it within a vacuum (space) The plasma cannon simply IS a poor example of retrofitted weapon that serves no real purpose (although its pretty fun to use ) Confined space does not mean 'space'. PS Vita Neocom. When?...
CRYPT3C W0LF Rift Warriors 8	Posted - 2013.11.04 14:57:00 - [26] - Quote Makuta Miserix wrote: CRYPT3C W0LF wrote: Quote: "The Plasma Cannon is a single shot, direct fire weapon developed by Allotek industries primarily for use in urban operations and confined space combat" The reason it is so difficult to use is the fact it was meant for space combat, as they wouldn't have had to factor in velocity drop nor decreases in speed since their would be firing it within a vacuum (space) The plasma cannon simply IS a poor example of retrofitted weapon that serves no real purpose (although its pretty fun to use ) Confined space does not mean 'space'. although the weapon itself refers to "space" as that is where it would be most practical
DeadlyAztec11 Gallente Federation 2363	Posted - 2013.11.04 15:05:00 - [27] - Quote Don't ye dare touch it, ye blubbering space bass! Argh! Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
Melchiah ARANeAE The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 210	Posted - 2013.11.04 16:47:00 - [28] - Quote It's ok as it is. Sure, it has problems, but it's so fun to use. Instapopping unaware snipers at 120m is great. 'Insert witty signature here'
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 550	Posted - 2013.11.04 17:01:00 - [29] - Quote Update it with one variation being speed based and the other being power based and voila? If people start using it more, it'll become respected. I got corp mates who laugh at it but truthfully, it takes a skillful person OR lucky person to grab a legitimate kill with it.
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 382	Posted - 2013.11.04 17:06:00 - [30] - Quote Commander Marquess wrote: You obviously haven't read the description of the PLC. Nowhere does it say it's an AV weapon... "The Plasma Cannon is a single shot, direct fire weapon developed by Allotek industries primarily for use in urban operations and confined space combat" where does it say anywhere in that description that it was meant for AV? Commander Marquess and his PLC Scimone are one of the best homepoint and tower defense duos i e ever had the pleasure to lead in battle, you've obvously havent seen this man hold down a point. Getting double kills like its his job. The Sinwarden

itsmellslikefish DIOS EX. Top Men. 489	Posted - 2013.11.04 17:11:00 - [31] - Quote Stay away from dusts best cult cannon, Nuke tubers unite! "Profanity is the one language all programmers know best"
Thurak1 Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 359	Posted - 2013.11.04 17:28:00 - [32] - Quote Chibi Andy wrote: CCP should remove the scout and heavies since those two suits aren't functioning as its suppose to us heavies only have 1 suit and 2 heavy weapons. not a lot of variety for us heavy users that wants to stay in the heavy role. this is assault/logi 514 If i want to slaughter clones i go with my heavy / hmg (assuming its cqc) if i need to make money i go with mt basic logi.
Eversor Beercase Beer For Evil Mercs 74	Posted - 2013.11.04 18:43:00 - [33] - Quote PLC is the master race. Just fix the bugs.
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 687	Posted - 2013.11.04 19:10:00 - [34] - Quote Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: Not viable?? Tell that to Ghaz Yes, but he's not using it like that kind of weapon should be used. He's having fun with it the only way it can be used atm. The thing should be crap against a CQ infantryman and be beast on a tank at long range. I.e. Have a blast radius and spread radius (dispersion) so that at CQ it will not direct damage an infantryman and also will splash thr user with damage; but, will hit a tank with most all it's dispersed damage. If the pen is mightier than the sword, in a duel I'll let you have the pen! -Steven Wright
Ruthless Lee The Eliminators 94	Posted - 2013.11.04 19:11:00 - [35] - Quote I wish people who didn't know how to use the plasma cannon would stop trying to 'fix' it. Just go use an AR if this weapon is too tough for you to figure out...
Severance Pay Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 944	Posted - 2013.11.04 19:23:00 - [36] - Quote Coleman Gray wrote: You removed some vehicles because "they didn't have a viable role" well neither does the plasma cannon. It's too slow to be an AV weapon, by the time the round has landed the target has moved, and even when it hits the damage simply isn't enough to warrant the slow travel time. It's next to impossible to hit a player even with the AoE which does little damage so if the AoE damage is little even to a player, why would it bother any vehicle? The Plasma Cannon needs reworking, perhaps so much it gains a new use than was originally intended? Maybe rather than an AV weapon, use it as an anti-personel mortar? The slow travel time would be fine if the AoE radius and Damage was buffed. I won't lie, I enjoy the plasma cannon still, it is a fun weapon and the idea of it is cool and all. But just because people enjoy a weapon doesn't mean it's viable. Any thoughts from anyone else? do you think it's fine? needs a buff in a differn't area? Is this a troll? We few, we happy few, we band of brothers; For he to-day that sheds his blood with me Shall be my brother
Severance Pay Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 944	Posted - 2013.11.04 19:24:00 - [37] - Quote There should be a corp with all PLC users. We few, we happy few, we band of brothers; For he to-day that sheds his blood with me Shall be my brother
Roldrage The Plasma Cannon Doctrine 250	Posted - 2013.11.04 21:10:00 - [38] - Quote Severance Pay wrote: There should be a corp with all PLC users. There's a chat channel with all plc users (Cannon Fever). Also, my corp :P Founder of the Cannon Fever chat channel for plasma cannon users, join now for fun plasma related times!
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 1185	Posted - 2013.11.04 21:14:00 - [39] - Quote All projectile speeds in this game need at least a 100% buff. Cheeseburgers.
RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 435	Posted - 2013.11.04 21:27:00 - [40] - Quote Do you want it removed, slightly changed or troll? I started using it as fun and giggles, now I use it as a main on my Logi with no sidearm. Get used to it (eg. Don't run around like it's a AR) and it will be viable. Sure it has it's problems but stop using it just for fun alone and make a new opinion.



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