Neither, I'm tired of seeing this game nerfed to the standards of assaults with rifles. Take your stand fellow logibros! Don't give these casual bastards an inch!

The +1 hp/s bonus doesn't really make much sense to me. I'd change it to 5% reduction to equipment CPU/PG usage any day. I'd also change the racial bonuses to better suit the role they're designed for. I also don't like the idea of giving racial bonuses for one piece of equipment. That really limits gameplay in a bad way.

Only having a sidearm?

Having equipment slots filled sounds good to me. Maybe not all of them though. Having to fit 4 pieces of equipment on a min logi would leave no room for anything else. I'd make it so you have to have 2 filled, except for the standard Amarr and Cal logis. They could just need to fill one as they only have 2 equipment slots.

I'm not a great fan of changing who gets what WPs. Changing anything like this could leave a WP farming loophole open that CCP are bound to not notice.

I'm not totally against reduced damage, but -50% would be FAR too much. I'd say 10% tops. Also exclude or reduce this for Amarr logis as they are combat logis.

Because 80% Of people that use logi's use them as an assault. Not the intended role. I have a proto logi myself & I think limiting the WP for kills @ more for support would be better. And I like the idea of limitation to a side arm.... Its makes sense because you ARE support, not an ASSAULT. Okay Logi babies? grow up and play your role. Im always constantly playing with/against logis from high standing corps and ive noticed that they all use caldari logis as assaults and not LOGIS.....

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that mite work bro

i would go back to my assault suit for a free build in damage mod

I think the main reason the logi "nerf" situation bothers me the most is because when it comes down to it, people are upset because the leader board at the end of the match goes by WP and not kills. Every one bitches about logi "slayers" but in reality you're upset because someone is beating you at the game with less kills and more points. All of these required equipment slots/sidearm only/fitting requirement "solutions" do NOT fix your problem. As long as the game is WP based and not kill based you will never be happy. As a logi you can, and should, pull at LEAST 1000 WP per match. No matter how many reds you kill. The good logis get the WPs and the kills.

I rock a plasma cannon and routinely place Top 3 on the board at the end of a match. Is it because of kills? Hell no. But sometimes it is. Why take away the versatilty of my role because your role sucks so much?

Simple fix. Make assaults better assaults. Make scouts better scouts. Make heavies better heavies. But DO NOT MAKE THE LOGI A ******* GIMPED SUPPORT CHARACTER. No one wants to play second fiddle to your kill streak.

Assaults don't have flexibility. ..your argument is invalid.....assaults have to be slayers they only get 1 equipment where as logis can be logis or slayers with 3 equipment slots and more hp...give assaults more hp or give them their second equipment back

i see a fully fitted logi suit at proto level can easily get more hp than a fully fitted assault suit of the same tier.

why dont we change that around?

The changes I would like to see for Logistics is a focus on slow regeneration, slower speed but comparable performance over one fight. The Assault should be able to rebound from damage more easily and relentlessly assault enemies, while the Logistics should be able to take out an enemy or two when they need to, without being able to regenerate and take out more twenty seconds later. This seems to have been CCP's intention with the lower shielding, lower shield recharge, lower speed and the armor repair bonus. It's just not enough.

Here's what I'd put up with.

• All equipment slots must be used.
• Kills earn 30% less WP. Assists and Support WP is increased by 20%.
• 25% reduction in maximum ammo per clip for Light weapons. Excludes Plasma Cannons, Mass Drivers/Shotguns/etcetera would be rounded up.
• 1 less grenade, no contact grenades.
• The same shield delays as a Heavy.


• Logistics bonus of 3% reduction in equipment fitting cost.

Forcing everyone to run full equipment reduces players trying to use it exclusively as an Assault suit. Lowering kill WP and raising assist WP puts less of a focus on killing as simply helping others kill, in general. Raising support WP obviously encourages supporting the team with the equipment. Lower Light weapon ammunition and grenades means Logistics players can take out an enemy or two, but cannot assault endlessly without having to reload and resupply. For instance, an Assault suit with AR would have 60/3 ammo and the Logistics would have 45/2. The shield delays force the Logistics to avoid engaging in combat excessively.

However, I doubt much will be done. Right now, CCP just wants to change the existing attributes to balance the classes. They'll just change around the slots, health and speed, as usual. These things don't directly enough affect its role; they just make it better, or worse.