There needs to be a penalty for racial suits to tank outside of their specialization.

Put this in and then lets see what happens to the dual tankers.

(Minmatar can and should be able to use both efficiently)

For real, this whole issue could be solved by changes to the suit bonuses like:

Assault : +30% Damage Modifier Module Efficacy

Logistics: -40% Damage Modifier Module Efficacy


I run Gallente Logi exclusively, and as a support oriented player, I've never seriously considered Damage Modifiers for my high slots. Killing is a distinct secondary, but if you practice you can be very effective with no Damage Mods and a Toxin BP rifle.

I'm hoping to see a more detailed bonus system coming to suits soon. There's a lot of shaping of suits and roles that can be done by changing fitting costs or module efficacy on a per suit basis.

No,(1) they are ALL OP at proto. Some are slightly OP, some are extremely OP.
As mutliple people have now pointed out, there is no sane reason for logis to have MORE SLOTS than a regular assault.

(2)Proto assaults, have 6 or 7 slots.
Proto logis, have 8, or 9 ???
That is insane. (3)At best, they should have the same amount as assaults. But really, they should have one *less*, because due to logi skill, they get a free repper.
So there's no excuse to have anything more than (assault suit -1) slots.

Specifically, lose 1low slot from the matching race's proto assault suit slots, and balancing is all done.

And they have less base stats, Because they're supposed to be less powerful than assault suits.

The original game designer made a foolish assumption that if they made a suit with 2 eq slots, people would use them.
If they used them, then they wouldnt have the power to super-tank with free slots.
But suit abusers dont use the slots.

"So force people to use the slots!!"

No, that's lame. you shouldnt force people to do stuff like that, any more than you should force people to use the grenade slot in other suits.
Besides, its really nice to give people the freedom to spec into only ONE proto suit, and be able to use it for logi type stuff, OR frontline assault type stuff.
Just dont make its frontline capabilities better than the supposed frontline suits.

There are only two remaining, reasonable ways to do that:
1. reduce power (not appropropriate, due to EQ demands)
or
2. reduce slots. Which is totally appropriate, since its effect is to directly remove the capability for abuse.

There has been no rational argument along the lines of "dont reduce slots, because..."
There has been only "(do this other thing instead)"

That would be because there IS NO rational argument to support keeping that number of slots on a logi.
That number of slots does not in any way match up with the supposed goal of making an equipment-deploying suit.

The goal here is to take away the super-tank-ness of logistics suits, that comes from stacking shields plus armor slots in the abnormally high slot count logis.
So take away the excessive slots.

Amen to this...I as a fellow Assault Rifle user would honestly think the game would be more fun right now if we just took Assault Rifles out lol. This is Dust514 not battlefield. We are suppose to be in freaking space. You dont see assault rifles in Halo do you?

I dont see any reason to do that.



how are you defining "true logis"? Because using the normal definition of "using 2x EQ to help the team" is in no way affected by the above.

If you're additionally defining true logis as ".... and having heavy-levels of survivability"... your definition is wrong.
Someone who is running around dropping eq, and repairing/reviving people, should not be seeing sustained fire, therefore, they shouldnt NEED heavy-levels of survivability.



why?

They could have infinite pg and cpu, and it wouldnt make a difference, if the slot count were suitably low. They'd just have left-over pg/cpu if they chose to under-equip EQ.
Just the same as any OTHER suit.
The biggest limiting factor to almost any suit, is its number of slots. logi shouldnt be any different.

Therefore, the slot count reduction by itself, is fine

It would then effectively be a straight up,
"assault suit, with sidearm slot traded for extra EQ slot"

That by itself, is mostly balanced. Certainly more balanced than the current situation. Although as I said, removing an additional low-slot in trade for the free repper, would be even more balanced.

Every single post I read from you makes my blood pressure rise.