For the moment

Basic : 2hp/s
Enhanced : 3hp/s
Complex : 5hp/s.


This is ridiculous.
With the new armor values and the future Repair tool of logi.
They should be buffed by twice at least.
A complex repair is about a complex armor plate....
5hp/s is ridiculous when you can have 135hp more....

=>4hp/s.
=>6hp/s.
=>10hp/s.

Should be better.
OR if you think it's too much =>

=>3hp/s
=>5hp/s
=>8hp/s.

if you actually look into it once you get the complex repar it doesnt do 5hp/s it does 7hp/s though i do agree they may need to go up a bit but it may become OP for some suits i.e logi suits

No it do 6.25hp/s

And we could have 30hp/s that it will not be OP because now all weapons have a f*cking high DPS......



To the BEST possible (Amarr logi.)
That makes 17hp/s for an complex. (Don't forget that it's in the best case (Logi Bonus + Logi Amarr Bonus + Armor repair Level 5 = Approximately 4 Million SP ONLY to do that.)
Ps : It doesn't stack with an other complex it's not 34hp/s it's only 29.


(Ps : 10hp/s for complex is too much but 8 would be great.)

reason why all weapons have high DPS is becuase people dont give a crap about shields so they stack loads of damage mods on

reason why all weapons have high DPS is becuase people dont give a crap about shields so they stack loads of damage mods on

I can already hit 30 hp/s on a gal logi with about 350 armor points. It's quite difficult to kill me 1v1 without a nade or headshot.

What we need is a high slot mod for armor. Those need to be the reactive plates, rather than in the lows. That would solve this problem.

I think giving armor tankers (myself included) reactive plates in the high slots would make us a bit OP. Raising armor repair rates would have a similar issue. Armor users are supposed to have high HP values and extremely low repair rates, allowing us to take a lot of damage but need to hide for a long time to repair after each encounter. This is our balance with shield tankers.

The problem with armor currently is that the weapons that are anti-armor do more damage than intended. I have seen miliita locus grenades do 1000hp damage and mass drivers do 400+ damage per shot. This means that explosive weapons are getting far more than the +20% bonus versus armor that they are supposed to be getting. Once CCP fixes this obvious bug then armor should be much more balanced vs shields. No alterations to armor reps needed.

With all of that said I would like to clarify that reactive plates are in a very bad place right now (they are practially useless thanks to their extremely poor hp #'s and their low rep rate when compared with their pg/cpu costs). They need a major rework before any merc worth their salt even considers running with them.

I can already hit 30 hp/s on a gal logi with about 350 armor points. It's quite difficult to kill me 1v1 without a nade or headshot.

What we need is a high slot mod for armor. Those need to be the reactive plates, rather than in the lows. That would solve this problem.

With porficiency Level 5 Mass driver is 150 Splash MAX (Damagers or others inclueded).
300 In directs hits.
And everybody is not using only Freedom....
Not 400....
(I'm Mass Driver i know what it does)


Militia Lcous is approximately 500 of damage.
(I'm not Locus user but i take them a lot......)

Give our repair tools more streams, damnit. Advanced triage repair tool should have two streams, prototype (Six Kin Triage) should have three.

Then I can 3 people 50hp/s regeneration. I think that's better than buffing armour repairers, I'm a strong believer of making sure shields and armour have obviously different benefits and roles, and armour is meant to be high raw HP, low regeneration. If you want to buff something buff its HP, and buff regeneration for shields.

I'm really not sure buffing armor reps is the solution here.

The main issue with armor is that the downside (low armor rep rate) is way bigger than it s inherent advantage (constant repping even when taking damage)

I'd rather see shields have a way higher regen delay to emphasize the perk of armor repping constantly than see armor rep catch up with shield regen.

Also, armor is historically a defense that requires to have backup (logi ship or logi bro). It's all about playstyle.

Shield tank should be lower amount of HP, high regen rate, large cooldown in regen, high signature profile, fast character.
Armor tank should be high amount of HP, low regen rate, no cooldown in regen, low signature profile, slow character.

Those two archetypes arent very balanced\existing at the moment. There are many reasons to it ( modules repartition over high\low slots ; no penalty in stacking shield modules vs the armor speed penalty ). The only real advantage armor users have comes from the fact they can be constant repped by logis and become very tough to take down. Problem being most logis are slayers before being logis.

Another main issue with armor is how powerfull explosives weapon are at the moment. Grenades do far too much damage in on a way too large area (even if you're shield tanked though) and MDs have a way too big splash radius to my taste.

Give our repair tools more streams, damnit. Advanced triage repair tool should have two streams, prototype (Six Kin Triage) should have three.

Then I can 3 people 50hp/s regeneration. I think that's better than buffing armour repairers, I'm a strong believer of making sure shields and armour have obviously different benefits and roles, and armour is meant to be high raw HP, low regeneration. If you want to buff something buff its HP, and buff regeneration for shields.

Sorry but you are wrong. What people refer to as the high dps of weapons was always there. It only became a major factor in reducting time to kill once hit detection for most weapons was fixed. The damage mods only add a few measly % and aren't a major factor in the low time to kill.

I think giving armor tankers (myself included) reactive plates in the high slots would make us a bit OP. Raising armor repair rates would have a similar issue. Armor users are supposed to have high HP values and extremely low repair rates, allowing us to take a lot of damage but need to hide for a long time to repair after each encounter. This is our balance with shield tankers.

With all of that said I would like to clarify that reactive plates are in a very bad place right now (they are practially useless thanks to their extremely poor hp #'s and their low rep rate when compared with their pg/cpu costs). They need a major rework before any merc worth their salt even considers running with them.

armor rep modules are fine..

they need no buff.

armor is designed to last longer in a battle before being forced to fall back for reps.

shields r just supposed to get in fire a few rounds then run away quickly.

of course ive managed to survive and kill a player at full hp while i was low on armor.

i assume its because he missed all of his shots from his proto ar.

=> What the point having 30hp/s if you don't have armor to repair ???
Maybe you're facing full militia and standard but trust me against Proto (real protos) you'll die faster than anybody...

why not just offer a repair module that repairs armor based on a percentage? like 2 or 3 or 5%/sec? 5 might be a bit much but the idea could be better for armor tankers, just make it expensive or take up alot of pg or cpu?

Sorry but you are wrong. What people refer to as the high dps of weapons was always there. It only became a major factor in reducting time to kill once hit detection for most weapons was fixed. The damage mods only add a few measly % and aren't a major factor in the low time to kill.

Why?

Armor seriously crushes shields right now in terms of tankability, does extremely high damage, and has alternate ways to rep (reaching 250 hp/s is achievable now, 300 hp/s is achievable as a logi).

Also armor tankers have a regen advantage over shields once you consider that all armor tankers have inherent shield regen too (even with a low shield max it's a big advantage)...Shields eventually can overcome but it's a long time.

Shields get mobility advantage (means less than you think) and some versatility but cannot compete in a fight.

Buffing anything for armor is really just hammering in the nails of the coffin that holds shields.

Make it a high slot module. Armor doesn't have many any options outside of damage mods. This goes against gank vs tank principles when a tank gets to gank at the same time. I'd say that we need passive resistance modules in high slots, but I doubt that's ever going to happen.