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Meeko Fent wrote:

Cody Sietz wrote:

R F Gyro wrote:

I've always been opposed to the idea of restricting logi suits to sidearms as it means you have no way of suppressing medium range incoming fire while you do your job.

However, it then occurred to me that there's nothing preventing CCP from introducing a "carbine" style sidearm that is similar to, but less effective than, an assault rifle.

So now I'm in favour of making logi suits sidearm-only, but only as long as an appropriate range of new sidearms are implemented at the same time.

I am all for a longer range sidearm(like the scrambler pistol use to be)

but I really do think rectricting Logis to sidearms would be far to drastic and unnecessary.

Logis are one of the few suits that are balanced and do their job well. It's the other suits that need to be worked on.

I would like to disagree, given that you compare an logi to an assault given they both brick tanked their suits, giving up only one slot for a repper on the assault, and you see that logis have a 100-300 point lead on the assault.

This is the only thing I find to be outrageous of the Logi suits.

Kill that with fire, and equalize the EHP of the 2 med frame specializations, and all will be calm on my end of the interweb.

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Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1331	Posted - 2013.11.03 20:35:00 - [1] - Quote The Amarr assault still gets two weapons, just sidearms. Also no dmg mods. You know, maybe just stun guns. MEDICS DON'T KILL! THAT'S WHY PEOPLE SAY "DON'T SHOOT THE MEDIC" Pffffffffttttttt. I'm just kidding, Logis are cool. Just maybe make dmg mods have higher stacking penalties or make then draw extra CPU/PG from Logi suits(I don't care about Logis doing dmg...except MD Logis...they hurt my armour suits, but to be fair that is there intended purpose)
Logi Bro Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN. 2304	Posted - 2013.11.03 20:36:00 - [2] - Quote I don't understand. Been Logistics since before it was cool.
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1393	Posted - 2013.11.03 20:37:00 - [3] - Quote How about just make the callogi less OP and less of a dual tanker _(* *)> 194th <( . )> <--it's a penguin ~'''~'''~
Cosgar ParagonX 7065	Posted - 2013.11.03 20:38:00 - [4] - Quote It's logi day already? Just give assaults a fitting reduction to all weapons and weapon mods as their suit bonus and 2% plate efficacy per level as the Gallente assaut's racial. A-B-C easy. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1331	Posted - 2013.11.03 20:41:00 - [5] - Quote Cosgar wrote: It's logi day already? Just give assaults a fitting reduction to all weapons and weapon mods as their suit bonus and 2% plate efficacy per level as the Gallente assaut's racial. A-B-C easy. I'm just kidding man. I wanted to stir the pot...
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 301	Posted - 2013.11.03 20:41:00 - [6] - Quote We assaults definately need some differentiator other than faster shield regen and shield % bonus... or sidearm clip size. lolbonuses. Innate infantry damage % reduction would be a good start. GûîGöéGûêGòæGûîGòæGûîGòæ la+äa+ú-ö-¦ +º-¦a¦Åt-ö-éta¦Ça¦Åa+á -ö+É-öa+¼-öa+ä-¦ a+¼a¦Çll a+áa¦Åt a+úa+ä+¬-ö +Éa¦Åa+ó +ª-¦a¦Åa¦ô t-Æa¦Ça+ú a¦Æ-öa+äa¦ô... GòæGûîGòæGûîGòæGûêGöéGûî
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1331	Posted - 2013.11.03 21:04:00 - [7] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: We assaults definately need some differentiator other than faster shield regen and shield % bonus... or sidearm clip size. lolbonuses. Innate infantry damage % reduction would be a good start. Hmmm, say 20% per level?
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 1702	Posted - 2013.11.03 21:05:00 - [8] - Quote Saw your name on the thread and thought "WTF?"
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1331	Posted - 2013.11.03 21:28:00 - [9] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: Saw your name on the thread and thought "WTF?" XD Good to know this seems like odd behavior coming from me.
R F Gyro Clones 4u 605	Posted - 2013.11.03 21:38:00 - [10] - Quote I've always been opposed to the idea of restricting logi suits to sidearms as it means you have no way of suppressing medium range incoming fire while you do your job. However, it then occurred to me that there's nothing preventing CCP from introducing a "carbine" style sidearm that is similar to, but less effective than, an assault rifle. So now I'm in favour of making logi suits sidearm-only, but only as long as an appropriate range of new sidearms are implemented at the same time. RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus

Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 572	Posted - 2013.11.03 21:40:00 - [11] - Quote 1/10 Very bad troll "Wirykomi" 514 "Tank" 514 We are in for some dark times ahead
Heimdallr69 Imperfect Bastards 1150	Posted - 2013.11.03 21:42:00 - [12] - Quote Nope..I'm assault and I don't approve this message
Cosgar ParagonX 7068	Posted - 2013.11.03 21:44:00 - [13] - Quote R F Gyro wrote: I've always been opposed to the idea of restricting logi suits to sidearms as it means you have no way of suppressing medium range incoming fire while you do your job. However, it then occurred to me that there's nothing preventing CCP from introducing a "carbine" style sidearm that is similar to, but less effective than, an assault rifle. So now I'm in favour of making logi suits sidearm-only, but only as long as an appropriate range of new sidearms are implemented at the same time. Do you really want every logi to run around with Carthium AScR pistols and Ishukone SMGs? I'm surprised these guns have avoided the nerf hammer for so long. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1332	Posted - 2013.11.03 21:45:00 - [14] - Quote R F Gyro wrote: I've always been opposed to the idea of restricting logi suits to sidearms as it means you have no way of suppressing medium range incoming fire while you do your job. However, it then occurred to me that there's nothing preventing CCP from introducing a "carbine" style sidearm that is similar to, but less effective than, an assault rifle. So now I'm in favour of making logi suits sidearm-only, but only as long as an appropriate range of new sidearms are implemented at the same time. I am all for a longer range sidearm(like the scrambler pistoluse to be) but I really do think rectricting Logis to sidearms would be far to drastic and unnecessary. Logis are one of the few suits that are balanced and do their job well. It's the other suits that need to be worked on.
Meeko Fent Expert Intervention Caldari State 1352	Posted - 2013.11.03 21:47:00 - [15] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: The Amarr assault still gets two weapons, just sidearms. Also no dmg mods. You know, maybe just stun guns. MEDICS DON'T KILL! THAT'S WHY PEOPLE SAY "DON'T SHOOT THE MEDIC" Pffffffffttttttt. I'm just kidding, Logis are cool. Just maybe make dmg mods have higher stacking penalties or make then draw extra CPU/PG from Logi suits(I don't care about Logis doing dmg...except MD Logis...they hurt my armour suits, but to be fair that is there intended purpose) TBQH, I think that the logi's need their slots brought down to an Assault's slots, and their passive rep bonus with a bonus for equipment, like 10% per level reduction to PG and CPU of equipment. Then, just match the Logi's base stats with an assaults, and rework complete. Only outlier being the Amarr logi, so it should be given a slightly lower base HP compared to the Amarr assault (20-30 points per layer of HP) Meeko's Novelty Shop Opening Soon! We (will)sell all the novelty items you desire! Really! King of Uncertainty.
Aqua-Regia 512	Posted - 2013.11.03 21:47:00 - [16] - Quote Hell no GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGöÉGòôBPO / BPC Collector Gòû Gòó *SoonGäó* GòáGò¬Gò¬GòºGòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòñGòªGò¬GòñGò¬GòªGòºGò¼GòínoneGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust 514 GòPGò¢§GòÆGòú00GòáGòòGòÜGòí00GòPGò¢
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 572	Posted - 2013.11.03 21:49:00 - [17] - Quote R F Gyro wrote: I've always been opposed to the idea of restricting logi suits to sidearms as it means you have no way of suppressing medium range incoming fire while you do your job. However, it then occurred to me that there's nothing preventing CCP from introducing a "carbine" style sidearm that is similar to, but less effective than, an assault rifle. So now I'm in favour of making logi suits sidearm-only, but only as long as an appropriate range of new sidearms are implemented at the same time. No, that would kill the diversity in this game, as all you would see is logis with one weapon. "Wirykomi" 514 "Tank" 514 We are in for some dark times ahead
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 812	Posted - 2013.11.03 21:49:00 - [18] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: The Amarr assault still gets two weapons, just sidearms. Also no dmg mods. You know, maybe just stun guns. MEDICS DON'T KILL! THAT'S WHY PEOPLE SAY "DON'T SHOOT THE MEDIC" Pffffffffttttttt. I'm just kidding, Logis are cool. Just maybe make dmg mods have higher stacking penalties or make then draw extra CPU/PG from Logi suits(I don't care about Logis doing dmg...except MD Logis...they hurt my armour suits, but to be fair that is there intended purpose) why don't they just give the assault variants enough high-slots to make for better damage output? my amarr assault is always a high-slot too short to be effective.
Meeko Fent Expert Intervention Caldari State 1352	Posted - 2013.11.03 21:49:00 - [19] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: R F Gyro wrote: I've always been opposed to the idea of restricting logi suits to sidearms as it means you have no way of suppressing medium range incoming fire while you do your job. However, it then occurred to me that there's nothing preventing CCP from introducing a "carbine" style sidearm that is similar to, but less effective than, an assault rifle. So now I'm in favour of making logi suits sidearm-only, but only as long as an appropriate range of new sidearms are implemented at the same time. I am all for a longer range sidearm(like the scrambler pistol use to be) but I really do think rectricting Logis to sidearms would be far to drastic and unnecessary. Logis are one of the few suits that are balanced and do their job well. It's the other suits that need to be worked on. I would like to disagree, given that you compare an logi to an assault given they both brick tanked their suits, giving up only one slot for a repper on the assault, and you see that logis have a 100-300 point lead on the assault. This is the only thing I find to be outrageous of the Logi suits. Kill that with fire, and equalize the EHP of the 2 med frame specializations, and all will be calm on my end of the interweb. Meeko's Novelty Shop Opening Soon! We (will)sell all the novelty items you desire! Really! King of Uncertainty.
Coleman Gray GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 900	Posted - 2013.11.03 21:51:00 - [20] - Quote give them the same amount of mods as the assault variants?

Meeko Fent Expert Intervention Caldari State 1352	Posted - 2013.11.03 21:52:00 - [21] - Quote Coleman Gray wrote: give them the same amount of mods as the assault variants? Looks at Cole Are you reading my mind? Meeko's Novelty Shop Opening Soon! We (will)sell all the novelty items you desire! Really! King of Uncertainty.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1333	Posted - 2013.11.03 21:53:00 - [22] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: The Amarr assault still gets two weapons, just sidearms. Also no dmg mods. You know, maybe just stun guns. MEDICS DON'T KILL! THAT'S WHY PEOPLE SAY "DON'T SHOOT THE MEDIC" Pffffffffttttttt. I'm just kidding, Logis are cool. Just maybe make dmg mods have higher stacking penalties or make then draw extra CPU/PG from Logi suits(I don't care about Logis doing dmg...except MD Logis...they hurt my armour suits, but to be fair that is there intended purpose) TBQH, I think that the logi's need their slots brought down to an Assault's slots, and their passive rep bonus with a bonus for equipment, like 10% per level reduction to PG and CPU of equipment. Then, just match the Logi's base stats with an assaults, and rework complete. Only outlier being the Amarr logi, so it should be given a slightly lower base HP compared to the Amarr assault (20-30 points per layer of HP) that passive rep is pretty important to keeping a Logi alive, Especially the Minmatar and Amarr Logi who don't have the slits needed who PG to really get a lot of repping going. they do need a extra passive bonus to certain types of equipment. Just for a example, Caldari get a bonus for hives, Gallente for scanners, Minmatar for rep tools and Amarr for injectors(just a example)
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1333	Posted - 2013.11.03 22:02:00 - [23] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: R F Gyro wrote: I've always been opposed to the idea of restricting logi suits to sidearms as it means you have no way of suppressing medium range incoming fire while you do your job. However, it then occurred to me that there's nothing preventing CCP from introducing a "carbine" style sidearm that is similar to, but less effective than, an assault rifle. So now I'm in favour of making logi suits sidearm-only, but only as long as an appropriate range of new sidearms are implemented at the same time. I am all for a longer range sidearm(like the scrambler pistol use to be) but I really do think rectricting Logis to sidearms would be far to drastic and unnecessary. Logis are one of the few suits that are balanced and do their job well. It's the other suits that need to be worked on. I would like to disagree, given that you compare an logi to an assault given they both brick tanked their suits, giving up only one slot for a repper on the assault, and you see that logis have a 100-300 point lead on the assault. This is the only thing I find to be outrageous of the Logi suits. Kill that with fire, and equalize the EHP of the 2 med frame specializations, and all will be calm on my end of the interweb. I can agree, as a Assault , that it sucks seeing a Gallente Logi with 700 armour and a 17 passive armour repair per sec even tho I can maybe get 500 armour and 10-12 reps per sec on my Gallente Assault suit. I think the way to fix that is to simply fix the other suits rather then nerfing the Logi. The only change I can see fair for a Logi is to make it have a higher stacking penalty for certain mods.


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