LOL! BF4 is meant for the next gen consoles and pc. the ps3 and 360 versions are dumbed down.

That's all well and good but at the end of the day no amount of game modes are going to give a player in Battlefield some sense of purpose - what's the point? Sure, Dust 514 is monotonous but it's the overarching scheme of things that matters. See my previous post =D

Unfortunately most of the stuff you listed are PC games!! You kinda have to guide Console gamers around on a leash for them to feel like they get the full experience, which is incredibly unfortunate. A lot of people that play Dust 514 always seem to say the same thing: "There's nothing to do, there's no drive."

Which is contradictory to what the game itself offers - Eve Online, and subsequently Dust 514, don't give you any drive. You give yourself the drive. You're free to do whatever you want. Join a corporation and make a name for yourself, a reputation as it were. Fight for Faction Warfare and make a difference in the -huge- war that's going on.

The only REAL issue with Dust 514 at the moment is that most of that stuff isn't as noticable as we'd like it to be, but they're already working on that xD

LOL! BF4 is meant for the next gen consoles and pc. the ps3 and 360 versions are dumbed down.

So they made a bad looking game on purpose. Thats no excuse Bro. Next gen will always look better, but Im speaking on the here and now...PS3

The no drive has little to do with console gamers.

It is a combination of three things

First, this is a FPS with RPG elements which isn't common. One of the commonalities of RPGs is that they expect you to define who your character is. However, Dust 514 is an FPS mainly and thus will draw people who are interested in FPS games which normally provide other things to drive their players that Dust lacks.

Second, as I said, other FPS games have something that Dust lacks. Immersion into the battlefield. Different FPS achieve this in different ways but the most applicable would probably be Battlefield due to Dust wanting to be of similar scale as BF battles. When you play Battlefield 3, you hear explosions and gunfire in the distance, your ears "ring" when an explosion goes off near you, most actions are accompanied by characters saying something such as yelling "I need a medic" when requesting support or your enemies yelling when you shoot them. All of this combines to make you feel like you are in an actual battle and that is more than enough to drive players.

Third, as you said, a lot of Dust's drive is hidden and abstract.

Sorry but playing BF4 on current gen is a joke. That game wasn't made for it, but EA still published it because it's a money grab, and people still bought it. That game shines on next gen and PC.

But even IF you want to compare...lol

BF4 has so much more going on than DUST will ever have. Destruction alone is the reason why rendering is crap. A whole map changes based on destroying a wall, meanwhile in DUST a LAV "blows up" from a ridiculously overpowered no-skill swarm launcher ...please.

*watches video*

Looks like a great game guys!

Remember, try and watch it in its entirety.

You can always upgrade to a pc or next gen.

P.S. Graphics do not make a game. I would rather play a ****** looking game that is fun than a pretty one that sucks. Case in point Dust. graphics were meh in chromosome, in uprising they are pretty, but the game is no longer fun.

So they made a bad looking game on purpose. Thats no excuse Bro. Next gen will always look better, but Im speaking on the here and now...PS3

is that you zion shad?