How would you guys feel if CCP were to replace the default melee with equippable Nova Knives?

Personally I thought it was rather dull that I could do a quick 1/2 sec elbow blow or pistol whip, however, being able to draw out my knife in Counter Strike added a whole nother level of melee immersion that I havent felt in any modern game (halo, CoD's paper cut knife, battlefield's scripted animation). What I want is a third weapon slot dedicated to nova knives on all suits to replace weapon melee.

All suits start out with a MLT Knife at 0 CPU/PG cost, it'll be weaker than standard but cost absolutely nothing. If you want a stronger knife, you'll have to replace the default fitting with a STD, ADV, or PRO, at which point it'll start costing CPU/PG. The suit's default knife cannot be unequipped, instead it stays on all suits (starter fits, BPOs, and market bought BPCs) and can be exchanged.

The way it'll work is pressing the right analog button will do a quick one handed knife animation thats more akin to a fist punch while still maintaining your main weapon at hand, holding down the right analog would holster your weapon and draw out both knives and enter into knife mode that is pretty much what we currently have when we hold nova knives.

Once all racial knives are implemented, CCP can match all suits with it's default racial knife.

Currently Nova Knives are underused, I want to steer clear of the horrible elbow bunt animation and hope to add a universal stealth element that everyone can use but not everyone can master or use in most situations. It'll be both fun and tactical and allows everyone to experience knifing. Since nova knife will no longer take a secondary sidearm slot that would leave room for people to carry a sidearm but I think it'll still be balanced because the no one will really use MLT knife over a sidearm under normal circumstances and upgrading the knife would cost CPU/PG so you would be trading in sidearm effectiveness for better knifing.

Pros
+A third equippable weapon
+All players can experience a more immersive melee gameplay
+Better melee animation that makes more sense than an elbow bunt
+At 0 sp 0 cpu/pg, a stealth weapon that everyone can use by default
Cons
-Wont be that strong unless you upgrade it, costing cpu and pg [tradeoff]
-Requires some coding work to make the melee button (R3) function so you can take out knives if you hold down the button, everything else can stay the same, no change necessary
-Bitter hipsters wont stop talking about how nova knife use to be a sidearm weapon

This is not a suggestion (yet), it is simply a discussion about a possibility and how people would react to such a change.
Any thoughts and comments?

It's already an equippable sidearm, why complicate it for no benefit to gameplay?

I've been a long advocate of the Codex melee being returned for those with Novas equipped, but beyond that they function fine as they are.

One a side note Re: racial knives, I do hope they're introduced as variants of the same Nova knife skill, rather than independant weapons.

this is not CoD dude

I already stated it was a sidearm but I'm going more in the direction of third weapon.
How is it no benefit to gameplay? It adds a melee element to general gameplay that no one would see unless they spec and equip a nova knife.

As a player who has dedicated to mastering Nova Knives, I can say that I like the knives the way they are now with only a few exceptions...

Hit detection needs to be fixed
Sprint charging is needed
Maybe a lunge feature

That's it.

I think if you have knives equipped, your default melee attack should be a nova knife stab.

How would you guys feel if CCP were to replace the default melee with equippable Nova Knives?

How would you guys feel if CCP were to replace the default melee with equippable Nova Knives?

Why not just make it...
A] if knife is in sidearm slot you attack with uncharged knife instead of weapon stock.
B]If no knife is equipped you still use the weapon stock, like it is now
C]New melee weapon slot added only to certain suits, not all, I suggest logi/light frames/commando.
D)Knife can still be placed in heavy/light/sidearm and switched to with weapon select, like current.

The logi since it has no sidearm slot, and model for minmatar logi has a leg sheath knife. I would leave the amarr logi without knife slot, since it has a sidearm slot already. Commando since who would use a light for knife when suits reason for being is 2 light weapons. Light frame, including scout, since they are the most probable melee users. Common trope is scouts and commando doing stealth knife kills, so it makes sense for people to expect them to have more knife usability when coming to the game. Assault works well enough with out buff of extra weapon slot, heavy wouldn't be able to catch much with knife anyway. Heavy with knife slot would be more a trap for new players to eat pg/cpu and raise isk cost of deaths then a useful addition.

I assume the new racial knives will all have new skills for there use.

This gives more options to less played classes that fit there role and still requires the same sp to make effective use of knife as now.

WHY NOT?

It's not like somebody did 800+ damage to me not long ago with Ishukone nova knives!

Yeh let's have something which does 800 damage as a default weapon!

what are you on??????????

1200 damage actually.

This is how it was originally, they changed it from being the default melee to Nova Knives being equipable sidearms.

WHY NOT?

It's not like somebody did 800+ damage to me not long ago with Ishukone nova knives!

Yeh let's have something which does 800 damage as a default weapon!

what are you on??????????

Well, remember back in early closed beta the nova knife was our default melee, then eventually changed it to elbow.

How would you guys feel if CCP were to replace the default melee with equippable Nova Knives?

We already had Nova Knife as default melee in past. I personally like it how it is now - you can more easily recognize players that prefer more hard and challenging gameplay thanks to that. Sometimes when I see guy with knifes I engage him with melee instead of shooting him from distance, because I know that walking with knifes is extremely difficult.

That makes like what, less than 1% of the total population? NKs are underused, and with good reason. People just dont see them justifed as a sidearm weapon.

I havent played early DUST builds but I dont see why they would need to make NK share the sidearm slot when most games that have a more complex melee system has melee as their own weapon slot.

If you be telling me that you seen in past "(...) a more complex melee system (...)", think about those games where you have to press different buttons every each second to finish or fail melee animation, I agree that it is making a game look a truly complex, but in fact just in negative form. I like to play games that are real tactics, not those that pretend to have it.

How would you guys feel if CCP were to replace the default melee with equippable Nova Knives?

Personally I thought it was rather dull that I could do a quick 1/2 sec elbow blow or pistol whip, however, being able to draw out my knife in Counter Strike added a whole nother level of melee immersion that I havent felt in any modern game (halo, CoD's paper cut knife, battlefield's scripted animation). What I want is a third weapon slot dedicated to nova knives on all suits to replace weapon melee.

All suits start out with a MLT Knife at 0 CPU/PG cost, it'll be weaker than standard but cost absolutely nothing. If you want a stronger knife, you'll have to replace the default fitting with a STD, ADV, or PRO, at which point it'll start costing CPU/PG. The suit's default knife cannot be unequipped, instead it stays on all suits (starter fits, BPOs, and market bought BPCs) and can be exchanged.

The way it'll work is pressing the right analog button will do a quick one handed knife animation thats more akin to a fist punch while still maintaining your main weapon at hand, holding down the right analog would holster your weapon and draw out both knives and enter into knife mode that is pretty much what we currently have when we hold nova knives.

Once all racial knives are implemented, CCP can match all suits with it's default racial knife.

Currently Nova Knives are underused, I want to steer clear of the horrible elbow bunt animation and hope to add a universal stealth element that everyone can use but not everyone can master or use in most situations. It'll be both fun and tactical and allows everyone to experience knifing. Since nova knife will no longer take a secondary sidearm slot that would leave room for people to carry a sidearm but I think it'll still be balanced because the no one will really use MLT knife over a sidearm under normal circumstances and upgrading the knife would cost CPU/PG so you would be trading in sidearm effectiveness for better knifing.

Pros
+A third equippable weapon
+All players can experience a more immersive melee gameplay
+Better melee animation that makes more sense than an elbow bunt
+At 0 sp 0 cpu/pg, a stealth weapon that everyone can use by default
Cons
-Wont be that strong unless you upgrade it, costing cpu and pg [tradeoff]
-Requires some coding work to make the melee button (R3) function so you can take out knives if you hold down the button, everything else can stay the same, no change necessary
-Bitter hipsters wont stop talking about how nova knife use to be a sidearm weapon

This is not a suggestion (yet), it is simply a discussion about a possibility and how people would react to such a change.
Any thoughts and comments?

case in point.

Was there a reason why they removed it?
I'm gonna guess it's because CCP wanted a halo/CoD styled quick melee over a slow equippable knife melee system. I see no reason why we cant have both.

That makes like what, less than 1% of the total population? NKs are underused, and with good reason. People just dont see them justifed as a sidearm weapon.

I havent played early DUST builds but I dont see why they would need to make NK share the sidearm slot when most games that have a more complex melee system has melee as their own weapon slot.