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Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 805	Posted - 2013.11.02 17:15:00 - [1] - Quote Let's have a reasonable discussion on the future of BPOs in a player driven Economy. So here are some of the problems with BPOs. They stop demand. How easy will it be to "manufacture" and sell standard assault rifles or assault suits when half of the current player base will never need them? They are items that excluding the MAG tribute suits require no SP investment so despite despite only being standard they can save players a lot of SP by not having to grind all the basic suits to level 3. Now these are things that made them such a great deal. I personally have almost all the BPOs and at least have one of each type (no skinweaves or MAG tributes). BPOs were a large driving force in actually throwing money into this game and I used the Aurum to buy most of the militia BPOs (post super discount). The Templar gear was also a large driving factor in getting the second decade collectors box, along all the other EVE shwagg. I love running in completely 0 ISK suits because I can keep the matches a challenge, relatively fair for noobs, and if I get stomped I lose nothing but some stats. So them leaving the game would hurt not just my confidence in real life purchases but also my playstyle and a large source of my income. All that said we need to find a balance where we can get an unlimited item out of the marketplace and people's inventory without destroying the uniqueness or worth of BPOs. The key is that all BPO gear except militia has a unique paint scheme, so as items they still have the potential to exist. Myself personally I would think that making the BPO gear we have now remain and used in manufacturing similar to EVE would be a good compromise. The BPO itself would be unusable but through some manufacturing costs it could be used to make more gear. Those with BPOs gain nothing more than the potential to sell rarer items with different skins. As for those who stocked up on BPOs to prepare for the coming player market, this is something I have no real opinion on because I was neither here when they had cheap militia BPOs or have I bought multiples of any packs. We can't have a player driven market and economy with BPOs having their current mechanic, but we can't make them lose their worth as they will drive down confidence in CCP. TL;DR I'm all for a player driven market CPP, but if you make me regret getting BPOs it will effect my willingness to spend more money on this game. Let's discuss. The Ellecon's come from a long line of Gallente. Tarn chose Peace. Tallen chose war.
Ulysses Knapse duna corp 554	Posted - 2013.11.02 17:24:00 - [2] - Quote BPOs as they currently are need to be completely removed from Dust 514. I don't care about the rage it will cause, they need to go in order to have a functional economy. CCP can refund them, or they can replace them, but they need to go. Humanity is the personification of change.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 805	Posted - 2013.11.02 17:28:00 - [3] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: BPOs as they currently are need to be completely removed from Dust 514. I don't care about the rage it will cause, they need to go in order to have a functional economy. CCP can refund them, or they can replace them, but they need to go. If they completely remove them there will be a shitstorm unlike anything they've ever seen. The Ellecon's come from a long line of Gallente. Tarn chose Peace. Tallen chose war.
Ulysses Knapse duna corp 554	Posted - 2013.11.02 17:37:00 - [4] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: Ulysses Knapse wrote: BPOs as they currently are need to be completely removed from Dust 514. I don't care about the rage it will cause, they need to go in order to have a functional economy. CCP can refund them, or they can replace them, but they need to go. If they completely remove them there will be a shitstorm unlike anything they've ever seen. It's their own fault for releasing them without considering the economy. Humanity is the personification of change.
Ulysses Knapse duna corp 554	Posted - 2013.11.02 17:50:00 - [5] - Quote Regardless, I did have an idea to replace BPOs. I call them "Supply Contracts". These basically act like BPOs do now, but aren't called BPOs. Additionally, they can come with some restrictions (to make it more desirable to buy player-produced items). 1. They aren't as customizable. Weapons won't be able to be customized (when that feature comes, hopefully soon), and dropsuits will lose module slots and resources in favor of built-in bonuses. 2. They aren't unlimited. If you consume too many uses of that item in a short amount of time, you won't be able to use any until the contractor replenishes their stock for you. 3. They might be statistically inferior. I think this speaks for itself. Humanity is the personification of change.
KaTaLy5t-87 Shadow Company HQ 116	Posted - 2013.11.02 18:02:00 - [6] - Quote Since people paid real money for BPOs in the merc, veteran and elite packs I don't think CCP can remove the BPOs completely without some kind of major legal issues. Maybe if they refunded the real money value of the items they removed they could do it but I can't see CCP doing that.
Yelhsa Jin-Mao Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 64	Posted - 2013.11.02 20:40:00 - [7] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: BPOs as they currently are need to be completely removed from Dust 514. I don't care about the rage it will cause, they need to go in order to have a functional economy. CCP can refund them, or they can replace them, but they need to go. Lol have fun playing DUSTon your own then. I've bought all the packs and spent all my aurumn on the militia BPOs and boosters. Now if CCP want to refund me the real world money I've spent on the packs, over $200 to be precise, then they can happily take away my BPOs and I along with a large proportions of the community will leave this game forever. So have fun playing DUST when its left as empty as CCPs bank account. I can has ISK
Ulysses Knapse duna corp 554	Posted - 2013.11.02 21:33:00 - [8] - Quote Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote: Ulysses Knapse wrote: BPOs as they currently are need to be completely removed from Dust 514. I don't care about the rage it will cause, they need to go in order to have a functional economy. CCP can refund them, or they can replace them, but they need to go. Lol have fun playing DUSTon your own then. I've bought all the packs and spent all my aurumn on the militia BPOs and boosters. Now if CCP want to refund me the real world money I've spent on the packs, over $200 to be precise, then they can happily take away my BPOs and I along with a large proportions of the community will leave this game forever. So have fun playing DUST when its left as empty as CCPs bank account. Goodbye, then! Also, you're mistaken if you think that Dust 514 failing will cause CCP to go bankrupt. Humanity is the personification of change.
Yelhsa Jin-Mao Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 65	Posted - 2013.11.02 22:01:00 - [9] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote: Ulysses Knapse wrote: BPOs as they currently are need to be completely removed from Dust 514. I don't care about the rage it will cause, they need to go in order to have a functional economy. CCP can refund them, or they can replace them, but they need to go. Lol have fun playing DUSTon your own then. I've bought all the packs and spent all my aurumn on the militia BPOs and boosters. Now if CCP want to refund me the real world money I've spent on the packs, over $200 to be precise, then they can happily take away my BPOs and I along with a large proportions of the community will leave this game forever. So have fun playing DUST when its left as empty as CCPs bank account. Goodbye, then! Also, you're mistaken if you think that Dust 514 failing will cause CCP to go bankrupt. Do you think CCP will float DUST off the back of EVE If it keeps losing them money, I think not. This game will get pulled faster than your daddies **** from between your butt cheeks when your mom arrives home. I can has ISK
Ulysses Knapse duna corp 555	Posted - 2013.11.02 22:14:00 - [10] - Quote Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote: Do you think CCP will float DUST off the back of EVE If it keeps losing them money, I think not. Wow. You are really, really bad at reading, because what I said was nothing like that... Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote: This game will get pulled faster than your daddies **** from between your butt cheeks when your mom arrives home. ...And that's just uncalled for. Humanity is the personification of change.

KA24DERT Pure Innocence. EoN. 228	Posted - 2013.11.02 22:19:00 - [11] - Quote I don't think there's any way to get around the fact that BPOs as they currently are need to go away. However there was a great proposal in these forums a couple of days ago where BPOs could generate X amount of equipment every downtime. I think that would be a good transitional behaviour between the current Dust-style BPOs and the eventual Eve-style BPOs. It'll soften the blow a little, but there will still be a blow.
Talos Alomar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1702	Posted - 2013.11.02 22:50:00 - [12] - Quote All CCP needs to do is to stop selling them. I don't think they have to take any further steps. As more people start playing, or people run more expensive gear that there isn't a BPO of, people will be consuming goods that need the market. I doubt the market is going to be that seriously impacted by a few people who were there when the game launched (and paid money for an incomplete game) not buying militia or a very limited selection of standard level gear off the market. Completely removing BPOs would just fix a problem that time itself would have healed while pissing everyone off.
Yelhsa Jin-Mao Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 65	Posted - 2013.11.02 22:57:00 - [13] - Quote CCP won't dare pull BPOs because of the backlash, flaming and lawsuits they would face for breaching the purchase agreements between consumers and Sony, of which CCP was not a part of and cannot interfere with, such as removing assets which consumers paid another party for. When a person buys a Mercenary, Veteran or Elite Pack, the purchase agreement was made between the consumer and Sony, not the consumer and CCP. I can has ISK
Jrakraa5 ZilchmobZ Industries 18	Posted - 2013.11.02 23:00:00 - [14] - Quote since people are all worrying about losing the bpo's cause of the paint scheme, why not make it so you can fit suits with different paint schemes. you still have to buy the suit every time, but you keep the scheme forever. that would help the market with more isk flowing into it because your now buying two things instead of none. visit my site here! ZilchMobZ or at Facebook JOIN NOW!
Ulysses Knapse duna corp 555	Posted - 2013.11.03 02:30:00 - [15] - Quote Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote: CCP won't dare pull BPOs because of the backlash, flaming and lawsuits they would face for breaching the purchase agreements between consumers and Sony, of which CCP was not a part of and cannot interfere with, such as removing assets which consumers paid another party for. When a person buys a Mercenary, Veteran or Elite Pack, the purchase agreement was made between the consumer and Sony, not the consumer and CCP. You're mistaken if you think that the only way to remove BPOs as they are is to delete them. Humanity is the personification of change.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 4894	Posted - 2013.11.03 03:00:00 - [16] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: Ulysses Knapse wrote: BPOs as they currently are need to be completely removed from Dust 514. I don't care about the rage it will cause, they need to go in order to have a functional economy. CCP can refund them, or they can replace them, but they need to go. If they completely remove them there will be a shitstorm unlike anything they've ever seen. It's their own fault for releasing them without considering the economy. It doesn't matter. They already confirmed that they are no longer going to be selling the BPOs after November 5th this month. They also confirmed that they will NOT, I repeat, NOT going to remove them from our personal hangars. We paid a lot of money for them after all. Not only that, refunding them with AUR will cause the #1 issue that CCP has been trying to avoid when CCP found out about players who bought crate-loads of BPOs back in closed beta for as cheap as 100 AUR a piece. So no matter what you think, although I do respect your opinion on the matter, CCP is not going to remove them from our personal hangars. Once the secondary market hits, there will just be a FIXED amount of BPOs in circulation no matter how many hands a BPO changes in its lifetime. And as the population of the game increases over the years, so will the value of the BPOs. CCP, please fix the Nova Knives. Thank you.
Awry Barux Shining Flame Amarr Empire 210	Posted - 2013.11.03 05:28:00 - [17] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: BPOs as they currently are need to be completely removed from Dust 514. I don't care about the rage it will cause, they need to go in order to have a functional economy. CCP can refund them, or they can replace them, but they need to go. Let me guess: you don't have any BPOs.
Draco Cerberus Hell's Gate Inc 456	Posted - 2013.11.03 06:41:00 - [18] - Quote I have plans to sell my BPOs to an Eve Indy corp upon the implementation of a market system so they can provide my proto suits to me at cost. There is no broken game if the BPOs stop functioning as they do atm in favor of being marketable items. If we can sell them to Capsuleers to make stuff from then they will have transitioned into something that fits the Eve Universe, and I for one could use the cheap source of equipment that would come from this. There is no reason to remove them from the game but rather turn them into an asset only usable in the way the Eve BPOs are usable. *-=OneUniverse=-=OneEverything=-*
Belendur Balfour Silver Gryphons Inc DARKSTAR ARMY 16	Posted - 2013.11.03 06:58:00 - [19] - Quote Okay, well I have several BPO's and I do not want to lose them, they are unique in color and name, and getting a kill with a 'Templar Scrambler Rifle' is cooler than with just a scrambler rifle. That said, I am not opposed to changing the way they work. I am an Eve player as well as a Dust player. In Eve a BPO lets you produce the item on the blueprint for less than you have to pay for it if you have good skills and management of resources. So lets do this if we have to change them, since we have no resources at the moment in Dust. A BPO lets you produce the item for say 66% or 75% the cost of the standard/militia item that is on the BPO. This gives the players that have it something for what they paid, since they can now use the rare suit on the BPO or even sell copies they produce of the suit to toher players. Seems to me that this would solve the problem.
Heimdallr69 Imperfect Bastards 1144	Posted - 2013.11.03 07:26:00 - [20] - Quote I'd only buy bpo's if they were adv or proto...

Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1387	Posted - 2013.11.03 07:51:00 - [21] - Quote Well, if it works anything like EVE's BPO's, I would be fine with it. Would have to make a manufacturing alt, but I'd be cool with that. 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!
Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 40	Posted - 2013.11.03 08:15:00 - [22] - Quote Why start another thread? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=116404&find=unread Closed Beta Tester: Survivor of Infantry lock on swarms,map glitches,Large missile SIgarus spawn camps,and PS3 crashes.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 808	Posted - 2013.11.03 08:16:00 - [23] - Quote Evicer wrote: Why start another thread? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=116404&find=unread That's a dev response to a misquote. I want everyone including BPO owners to discuss what would be reasonable for the future of BPOs. The Ellecon's come from a long line of Gallente. Tarn chose Peace. Tallen chose war.
SponkSponkSponk The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 461	Posted - 2013.11.03 08:18:00 - [24] - Quote I have a suggestion to solve this already. "Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)" GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 808	Posted - 2013.11.03 08:32:00 - [25] - Quote SponkSponkSponk wrote: I have a suggestion to solve this already. I love this idea, CCP can tweak the amount given per day in order to keep it from breaking the market. As long as they go no lower than 5 per day I could get onboard with that idea. The Ellecon's come from a long line of Gallente. Tarn chose Peace. Tallen chose war.
Ulysses Knapse duna corp 557	Posted - 2013.11.03 08:37:00 - [26] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Ulysses Knapse wrote: BPOs as they currently are need to be completely removed from Dust 514. I don't care about the rage it will cause, they need to go in order to have a functional economy. CCP can refund them, or they can replace them, but they need to go. Let me guess: you don't have any BPOs. Stalwart conclusion, but it's incorrect. I do, in fact, have two BPOs. Humanity is the personification of change.
Baltazar Pontain Phantom Universe Task Force Orion Empire 22	Posted - 2013.11.03 10:18:00 - [27] - Quote To much emotions in this thread, but anyway. For me solution looks simple. 1.) Add production to DUST. 2.) Add Refinering of stuff to DUST 2.) Let us PRODUCE weapons based on BPOs So... ppl can produce weapons based on BPOs. Pro: * Cheaper than simple buying them on the market. * BPOs are not useless * We would finally have some business aspects for players that want something beside killing.
Haerr Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 78	Posted - 2013.11.03 10:44:00 - [28] - Quote Are you suggeting that my permanent gear, requiring no restocking or replacement which I paid money for will no longer be permanent gear, requiring no restocking or replacement? I don't like that idea at all.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kinsho Swords Caldari State 50	Posted - 2013.11.03 12:19:00 - [29] - Quote Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote: Ulysses Knapse wrote: BPOs as they currently are need to be completely removed from Dust 514. I don't care about the rage it will cause, they need to go in order to have a functional economy. CCP can refund them, or they can replace them, but they need to go. Lol have fun playing DUSTon your own then. I've bought all the packs and spent all my aurumn on the militia BPOs and boosters. Now if CCP want to refund me the real world money I've spent on the packs, over $200 to be precise, then they can happily take away my BPOs and I along with a large proportions of the community will leave this game forever. So have fun playing DUST when its left as empty as CCPs bank account. Sad to say but you WILL just be replaced . YOU and WHOEVER goes with you . I can't see them going bankrupt any time soon . CCP is building and attempting to become as big or bigger than Electronic Arts , and you know that's BIG . " Doubts are like flies and should be crushed !!!!!! " I hope that I am THE FLY SWATTER of those in my presence .
Yelhsa Jin-Mao Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 65	Posted - 2013.11.03 16:34:00 - [30] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: Awry Barux wrote: Ulysses Knapse wrote: BPOs as they currently are need to be completely removed from Dust 514. I don't care about the rage it will cause, they need to go in order to have a functional economy. CCP can refund them, or they can replace them, but they need to go. Let me guess: you don't have any BPOs. Stalwart conclusion, but it's incorrect. I do, in fact, have two BPOs. Well I have over 30, so STFU! I can has ISK



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