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Vin Mora Sanguis Defense Syndicate 170	Posted - 2013.10.31 10:46:00 - [31] - Quote I've gonna 24/4 two matches in a row with a Dual SMG Minmatar Assault. When the MagSec comes out you will have an even longer range SMG to pair with the regular SMG. Another bonus that the Minmatar Assault has is that it is the only Assault suit with natural armor repair, its only 1hp/sec but that is something. Sanguis Defense Syndicate: Recruitment now open for players of all skill levels
DeadlyAztec11 Gallente Federation 2339	Posted - 2013.10.31 10:51:00 - [32] - Quote I track HAV's down like ass though. Don't change my suit. I look like a badass pirate with a shoulder cannon. MY SUIT! "It's because of people like you that I became this. And you'll never give me a reason to become someone else."
Ryme Intrinseca Seraphim Auxiliaries 168	Posted - 2013.10.31 11:26:00 - [33] - Quote The CPU/PG on the min assault is insufficient to make full use of all those high slots. Even with max skills you will have to make severe compromises. This will come as a real shock if you're used to the min logi, which can be well fitted even with mediocre engineering/electronics skills.
Repe Susi Rautaleijona Top Men. 733	Posted - 2013.10.31 11:37:00 - [34] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: The CPU/PG on the min assault is insufficient to make full use of all those high slots. Even with max skills you will have to make severe compromises. This will come as a real shock if you're used to the min logi, which can be well fitted even with mediocre engineering/electronics skills. That is exactly what I was afraid of, but after playing with the fitting tool it doesn't seem to bad. Of course, as earlier stated I cannot fit prototype primary/sidearm weapon without making compromises but then again, I think it's the same with other assaults also.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1188	Posted - 2013.10.31 11:41:00 - [35] - Quote SMG with flaylock, shields, 2 plates and a scanner is a beast for cqc or two smgs. I play it like a scout on roids yes. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.
Ryme Intrinseca Seraphim Auxiliaries 169	Posted - 2013.10.31 12:09:00 - [36] - Quote Repe Susi wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: The CPU/PG on the min assault is insufficient to make full use of all those high slots. Even with max skills you will have to make severe compromises. This will come as a real shock if you're used to the min logi, which can be well fitted even with mediocre engineering/electronics skills. That is exactly what I was afraid of, but after playing with the fitting tool it doesn't seem to bad. Of course, as earlier stated I cannot fit prototype primary/sidearm weapon without making compromises but then again, I think it's the same with other assaults, maybe excluding Amarr by looking at the stats. In terms of effective CPU/PG for assaults Ama>Gal>Cal/Min. Although the Min on paper has slightly higher CPU/PG than the Cal and Gal, this is offset by the fact that the Min trades a low for a high, relative to the Cal, and two highs for two lows relative to the Gal (which also gets a weapon fitting bonus). A high uses up much more CPU/PG to use well. There's a big difference in fitting between a basic armour plate (10/1) and a complex shield extender (54/11), which are actually comparable items (the plate actually gives you significantly more HP, though with drawbacks). On the plus side, the min has +1hp/s innate rep (which I'd forgotten about on here when I was writing the suit off yesterday...), so you save a bit of PG/CPU not having to fit a repper. So I'd say it's about the same as the cal overall - which is to say, limited in terms of fitting, but still an effective suit for those with high electronics/engineering skills.
Zatara Rought MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 1457	Posted - 2013.10.31 12:22:00 - [37] - Quote Repe Susi wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: The CPU/PG on the min assault is insufficient to make full use of all those high slots. Even with max skills you will have to make severe compromises. This will come as a real shock if you're used to the min logi, which can be well fitted even with mediocre engineering/electronics skills. That is exactly what I was afraid of, but after playing with the fitting tool it doesn't seem to bad. Of course, as earlier stated I cannot fit prototype primary/sidearm weapon without making compromises but then again, I think it's the same with other assaults, maybe excluding Amarr by looking at the stats. With max skills on the caldari assault you should still be able to fit 2 complex damage mods 2 complex shield extenders 2 proto weapons nades (I think I had core locus) 2 basic armor plates kd/17 repping hive/advanced scanner 1 enhanced cpu upgrade I'm still groggy, but that should be correct. CCP has 2 sides of the brain. Problem is there's nothing right in the left brain and nothing left in the right brain.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1152	Posted - 2013.10.31 12:28:00 - [38] - Quote Repe Susi wrote: I'm thinking of branching out to... something else than Minlogi and naturally Min assault came to mind since it won't eat so much SP to start whole new tree from the beginning. But the benefit of going Min assault seem negligible. Quote: Assault Suit Bonus: +5% to dropsuit shield recharge rate per level Minmatar Assault Bonus: +5% to sidearm weaponry clip size per level Minmatar are slightly faster than other assault suits and at proto-level they have 5 high slots. (woo hoo) Looking at the numbers, it's slightly disappointing. It seems I can't fit anything sensible at advanced level. Try to max out the speed advantage? Yeah good luck with that. Max out shields? Meh. It seems Caldari assault is easily best for slaying with its shield recharge rate. Minnie Assault users, care to share your experiences? Ishukone assault SMG is a handcannon and with this suit it has 20 more rounds to dish out then normal. If you want some real good fun, slap some of the officer SMGs onto it, and some sidearm damage mods, and BOOM what you have there is an assault rifle that shoots 300 rounds per minute faster. This suit is all about rapid assault. Flank, hit, then run. The shield tanking is near useless on this suit purely because of the awful shield regen. But if you slap on a couple damage mods, sprint mods, and maybe an SR (for long range) and an SMG (for close range) you can have a rapid assault unit, capable of quickly out maneuvering opponents and getting valuable flank shots on them. Marston VC, STB director
Marc Rime Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 203	Posted - 2013.10.31 12:38:00 - [39] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: The CPU/PG on the min assault is insufficient to make full use of all those high slots. Even with max skills you will have to make severe compromises. This will come as a real shock if you're used to the min logi, which can be well fitted even with mediocre engineering/electronics skills. This. It's possible to come up with a good fit, but you have to be creative. Simple min/maxing won't work. CPU/PG isn't as tight as on a scout though ;).
Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 881	Posted - 2013.10.31 12:45:00 - [40] - Quote I find my mini assaultmis by far best as a dual tanker, the speed allows you to have more armour than them caldari. Don't try to max out you ehp, mini assault works best in asymmetric warfare, etc. Don't run the gauntlet, skip around it. I run adv mini assault 2+ùshield extender 1xdamage mod 1x armour plate 1xarmour repair mod md burst scrambler pistol flux grenades remote explosives in my squad im am unparalleled at area denial, aymetric warfare and flanking maneuvers. Period The pen is mightier than the sword The gun is mightier than both

Vin Mora Sanguis Defense Syndicate 170	Posted - 2013.10.31 12:57:00 - [41] - Quote Repe Susi wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: The CPU/PG on the min assault is insufficient to make full use of all those high slots. Even with max skills you will have to make severe compromises. This will come as a real shock if you're used to the min logi, which can be well fitted even with mediocre engineering/electronics skills. That is exactly what I was afraid of, but after playing with the fitting tool it doesn't seem to bad. Of course, as earlier stated I cannot fit prototype primary/sidearm weapon without making compromises but then again, I think it's the same with other assaults, maybe excluding Amarr by looking at the stats. If you use a Complex CPU extender, then you can stack shield rechargers. Sanguis Defense Syndicate: Recruitment now open for players of all skill levels
Drapedup Drippedout G.U.T.Z 66	Posted - 2013.10.31 13:06:00 - [42] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Repe Susi wrote: So the Min assault is sort of scout with steroids then. I have seen the might of SMGs so slapping them on the suit, coupled with speed bonus and sidearm clip bonus would indeed make it formidable. Nice thing about 5 highs is you could shield tank and stack damage mods. I don't run Minmatar gear, but if I did I'd probably use 3 shield extenders and 2 complex sidearm damage mods. ^^^ This. Dual SMG's with dmg mods. Run shield ext and a kin cat. Think like this, the increased speed is the substitute for armor tank. So use speed to your advantage. I run min assault, have been experimenting with this build. Adv Min Assault 2x Complex Shield ext 1x Complex Side arm Dmg mod 1x m209 (or m512) 1x toxin SMG 1x flux grenade 1x Kin cat (militia right now, working on lvl 5) 1x profile dampener This set up is FUN! Use flanking and anything within 30m is toast. If you can equip Flux go for it, SMG's eat armor.
ReGnYuM MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 1218	Posted - 2013.10.31 13:44:00 - [43] - Quote LOL After reading some of the suggested fitting, it amazes me how behind players are. Unable to grasp basic concepts of the game. Heres a hint: If you're armour tanking the Min Assault you're doing it wrong If you never heard of ReGnYuM, you're neither Good or Relevant in Dust 514. KDR > EVERYTHING
Ulme Mees Eesti Leegion 29	Posted - 2013.10.31 14:20:00 - [44] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: LOL After reading some of the suggested fitting, it amazes me how behind players are. Unable to grasp basic concepts of the game. Heres a hint: If you're armour tanking the Min Assault you're doing it wrong I don't know, dual tanking minmatar assault has gotten me the best results for my KDR..... It all depends on personal playstyle, thinking your way is the best way shows how behinde you are! Fear is a disease!
Drapedup Drippedout G.U.T.Z 67	Posted - 2013.10.31 14:27:00 - [45] - Quote Ulme Mees wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: LOL After reading some of the suggested fitting, it amazes me how behind players are. Unable to grasp basic concepts of the game. Heres a hint: If you're armour tanking the Min Assault you're doing it wrong I don't know, dual tanking minmatar assault has gotten me the best results for my KDR..... It all depends on personal playstyle, thinking your way is the best way shows how behinde you are! I think that RegnYum is on to something, that something being the way the class was intended to be utilized. What you are experiencing may be a result of the game's current build. Remember AR's TTK is pretty sick right now, couple with the fact they are more proficient against shield....obviously you have an increased TTK with armor tank. However, you gimp the speed, you gimp the class. Go Caldari if you want to duel tank effectively. Right now the minmatard assault is gimped cause AR TTK is OP and extra effective against shield tanks.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 1468	Posted - 2013.10.31 14:46:00 - [46] - Quote Repe Susi wrote: I'm thinking of branching out to... something else than Minlogi and naturally Min assault came to mind since it won't eat so much SP to start whole new tree from the beginning. But the benefit of going Min assault seem negligible. Quote: Assault Suit Bonus: +5% to dropsuit shield recharge rate per level Minmatar Assault Bonus: +5% to sidearm weaponry clip size per level Minmatar are slightly faster than other assault suits and at proto-level they have 5 high slots. (woo hoo) Looking at the numbers, it's slightly disappointing. It seems I can't fit anything sensible at advanced level. Try to max out the speed advantage? Yeah good luck with that. Max out shields? Meh. It seems Caldari assault is easily best for slaying with its shield recharge rate. Minnie Assault users, care to share your experiences? I would like to see them change the Bonus from +5% to sidearm weaponry clip size per level to +5% to Projectile Weapon clip size per level. (Combat Rifle is comming.) Either way, it helps when using SMG as your primary weapon. Then you can carry a Swarm Launcher or Sniper Rifle as your situational backup weapon. Immortal Guides, supporting knowledge dissemination in New Eden since August 31, 2013.
Vin Mora Sanguis Defense Syndicate 170	Posted - 2013.10.31 15:28:00 - [47] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Repe Susi wrote: I'm thinking of branching out to... something else than Minlogi and naturally Min assault came to mind since it won't eat so much SP to start whole new tree from the beginning. But the benefit of going Min assault seem negligible. Quote: Assault Suit Bonus: +5% to dropsuit shield recharge rate per level Minmatar Assault Bonus: +5% to sidearm weaponry clip size per level Minmatar are slightly faster than other assault suits and at proto-level they have 5 high slots. (woo hoo) Looking at the numbers, it's slightly disappointing. It seems I can't fit anything sensible at advanced level. Try to max out the speed advantage? Yeah good luck with that. Max out shields? Meh. It seems Caldari assault is easily best for slaying with its shield recharge rate. Minnie Assault users, care to share your experiences? I would like to see them change the Bonus from +5% to sidearm weaponry clip size per level to +5% to Projectile Weapon clip size per level. (Combat Rifle is comming.) Either way, it helps when using SMG as your primary weapon. Then you can carry a Swarm Launcher or Sniper Rifle as your situational backup weapon. Don't change the bonus, as they add more sidearms it will be more and more useful. Sanguis Defense Syndicate: Recruitment now open for players of all skill levels
CharCharOdell 1435	Posted - 2013.10.31 15:36:00 - [48] - Quote Keri Starlight wrote: Minmatar Assault is one of the best suits for flankers and skirmishers. You are faster than anyone else (but scouts, of course) and this means that no one is going to catch you if you keep your distances from the chokepoints. It also means that you might want to shield tank like a boss, because you don't actually need kin cats and cardiac regulators, so you may put 2 enhanced shield regulators to get all you can from your 5 high slots (shield modules). Once again, if you're playing this role (flanker/skirmisher) and you're using a tactical weapon (Scrambler, Tac AR, Laser, etc) the racial bonus is pure gold, as you can unleash your SMG and drop 3 people with a single clip. I went Caldari mainly because I didn't want to look like an ugly ass, lol (Minmatar medium frames look cool for men, but... ugh... not really for women). And I wanted to stay loyal to my race. With a Caldari suit I generally rather brick-tanking, because I don't have enough PG and CPU to speed tank on my low slots. So whenever I get caught, I can't run that fast, but at least I have enough HP to survive a direct fight. Conclusion: IMO Minnie Assault is a good suit. It migh not be the best for run and gun HP tanking playstyles, though. #caldarigirlsdoitbetter Gùñ-é-º+¼+ò+¦GÖÑ+ú+ú+¡ GÖÑ'Ðe+ü+üGùÑ Gùú -ä>-üð+++Ç++§<-¡<-¡ Gùó Speaker of the Mangrove / King of QQ / Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 1578	Posted - 2013.10.31 16:15:00 - [49] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Success with the min assault comes from use of cover, flanking, and rushing. If you like cqc then min assault is for you. ^This man speaks the truth and has (entertaining) video evidence. Mind sharing your fit? I figured out everything except for the high slots. Is that a damage mod or a recharger in one of your high slots? 3X Complex Shield Extenders 2x Complex Sidearm Damage Mods Basic Armor Plate Basic Cpu Upgrade Ishukone Assault SMG TT-3 Assault Scrambler Pistol M-1 Locus Grenade Needle or Compact hive. I'm useless outside 20m but inside that I am a boss. Check out & sub my youtube. Yay!
Clips A'hoy The Generals EoN. 70	Posted - 2013.10.31 16:43:00 - [50] - Quote As a Minmatar Assault I can give you my opinion on it... And the following is: "Hit-n'-Run". That's how I see the Minmatar playstyle for the most part. Once you start taking a few hits half your shields will go down in less than a second, especially againts the Assault Rifle, then again it depends on the weapon. My sudgestion is running: 4x Complex Shield Extenders, x1 Enhanced Shield Energizer. An SMG is a must for this suit, trust me.. The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited. The Scriptures, Book I

Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1955	Posted - 2013.10.31 16:57:00 - [51] - Quote Repe Susi wrote: I'm thinking of branching out to... something else than Minlogi and naturally Min assault came to mind since it won't eat so much SP to start whole new tree from the beginning. But the benefit of going Min assault seem negligible. Quote: Assault Suit Bonus: +5% to dropsuit shield recharge rate per level Minmatar Assault Bonus: +5% to sidearm weaponry clip size per level Minmatar are slightly faster than other assault suits and at proto-level they have 5 high slots. (woo hoo) Looking at the numbers, it's slightly disappointing. It seems I can't fit anything sensible at advanced level. Try to max out the speed advantage? Yeah good luck with that. Max out shields? Meh. It seems Caldari assault is easily best for slaying with its shield recharge rate. Minnie Assault users, care to share your experiences? Sprint mod Stamina mod Swarm launcher SMG Flux Compact hive And whatever combo of shields & damage you can fit with what's left of your PG This is your AV fit. Enjoy.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1956	Posted - 2013.10.31 16:59:00 - [52] - Quote A Scrambler pistol/SMG combo can devastate almost any fit too. Open with the epic clip of the pistol, beating down their shields, then spam bullets from the SMG with impunity.
Phaize Kilrathi Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 19	Posted - 2013.10.31 19:10:00 - [53] - Quote I will pretty much echo the same thing that a lot of others have said. I am usually flanking, doing some hit 'n run action or staying around points for some CQC action. I use a Shotgun/ScP combo, so if I'm out in the open I'm done for. If no one else is around to repair my armor, I keep a compact nanohive on me. 2x Complex Shield Extenders 1x Enhanced Shield Recharger 1x Proto Shotgun 1x Proto ScP 1x Enhanced CPU upgrade 1x Enhanced Basic plate 1x Advanced Grenade 1x Standard Nanohive Put signature here
OZAROW WarRavens League of Infamy 1015	Posted - 2013.10.31 19:18:00 - [54] - Quote Repe Susi wrote: So the Min assault is sort of scout with steroids then. I have seen the might of SMGs so slapping them on the suit, coupled with speed bonus and sidearm clip bonus would indeed make it formidable. If you go min assault you want kinetics at 5 shhields an shield regulators at 5 and smg at pro 3 at minimum and complex damage mods an m1 nades. You gotta be fast an have your shields come back fast, it's squishy but if your smg gets to pro 5 with a damage mod an the 100 bullet clip you'll kill almost anyone before you reload
Aria Gomes Death by Disassociation Zero-Day 138	Posted - 2013.11.27 16:20:00 - [55] - Quote I have a few Minmatar Assault suits but my favorite two are these: Minmatar M/1 Assault 2 enhanced shield extenders 1 enhanced dmg mod GLU-5 Tactical Assault Rifle M512 SMG Sleek Locus Grenades Stable Uplinks A reactive plate and a armor plate. I don't remember what lvl right now. My other is pretty much the same just with the GK-13 Burst though I gotta get back into learning how to rapidly fire the clip. I did it once and forgot how fast I tapped R1.
Humble Seeker PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 80	Posted - 2013.11.27 16:28:00 - [56] - Quote Well, tetanus is not contagious, so there's one possible advantage that's ruled out. Seriously, though, it just seems to be the assault suit for those who like quick firefights instigated by flanking and ambushing, rather than head-on confrontations. Which is why my laser melts them in open fights, but I've been felled by them in close quarters or when not paying attention to my flank. "Surround yourself with the faithful, Stand together, for there is no strength like it under the heavens."
Dengru Fatal Absolution 165	Posted - 2013.11.27 19:57:00 - [57] - Quote Phaize Kilrathi wrote: I will pretty much echo the same thing that a lot of others have said. I am usually flanking, doing some hit 'n run action or staying around points for some CQC action. I use a Shotgun/ScP combo, so if I'm out in the open I'm done for. If no one else is around to repair my armor, I keep a compact nanohive on me. 2x Complex Shield Extenders 1x Enhanced Shield Recharger 1x Proto Shotgun 1x Proto ScP 1x Enhanced CPU upgrade 1x Enhanced Basic plate 1x Advanced Grenade 1x Standard Nanohive That fit is garbage. No Catalyzer? Not even a reg, but a armor plate? There is no point in trying to tank armor on an Min Assault, especially for CQC, that armor plate is barely like 6 Duvolle bullets worth of damage and it makes you more vulnerable to their backpedal/bunny hops. and why a proto shotgun? thats such a waste of cpu There is nothing you can do with that suit to make it a viable shotgun fit against Good players. Is inferior to Min logi and Gallente scout and has a bigger hitbox than min scout
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2360	Posted - 2013.11.27 20:32:00 - [58] - Quote Repe Susi wrote: I'm thinking of branching out to... something else than Minlogi and naturally Min assault came to mind since it won't eat so much SP to start whole new tree from the beginning. But the benefit of going Min assault seem negligible. Quote: Assault Suit Bonus: +5% to dropsuit shield recharge rate per level Minmatar Assault Bonus: +5% to sidearm weaponry clip size per level Minmatar are slightly faster than other assault suits and at proto-level they have 5 high slots. (woo hoo) Looking at the numbers, it's slightly disappointing. It seems I can't fit anything sensible at advanced level. Try to max out the speed advantage? Yeah good luck with that. Max out shields? Meh. It seems Caldari assault is easily best for slaying with its shield recharge rate. Minnie Assault users, care to share your experiences? It is ideal for non-conventional light weapons. Such as Swarms, Plasma Cannons, or Mass Drivers, since the improved sidearm gives you a defence advantage, the speed of the suit means you can take your light weapon where it is most needed, and the many high slots can stack damage mods to power it up upon use. Dual Scrambler pistols is also insane and devastating. No.
DeadlyAztec11 2284	Posted - 2013.11.29 04:01:00 - [59] - Quote You need Complex shield extenders to use the Proto competitively or else you have the easiest to destroy and most expensive waste of a suit in the game. Also, Complex dampener, as scanners will completely negate your hit and run, I.mean COMPLETELY. This suit is really fun at a beginning level, but it will make you scorn it more than any other suit, unless you spend SP on CPU & PG mods, Complex shields, Complex Damage mods and Dampening. I had to learn this the HARD AS HELL way. Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
DildoMcnutz Science For Death 349	Posted - 2013.11.29 05:28:00 - [60] - Quote Here is my fit, im fairly new to the suit and took a while to grow on me but i love my minmatar assault pyjamas now. 4 complex extenders 1 complex energizer 1 complex shield reg complex cpu upgrade duvolle six kin (or ishukone assault can't remember) core locus K-2 nanohive I get that its kind of just a poor mans caldari suit but it is speedy and i find that a base 5.3 movement speed makes up for lack of hitpoints in a 1v1 engagement, a little different when five guys are drilling your forehead but hopefully you will have the speed and situational awareness to avoid such encounters. I still need some more time testing and further optimizing but plates are for sure not the way to go and i really dont think the side arm bonus is all that great to be honest, 80 round SMG is enough for me but i wont complain about 100 i guess . Just a speedy shield based hit n run suit in my opinion.



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