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Justin Tymes
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Posted - 2013.10.30 21:35:00 -
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 Yet another "X SP should mean superiority" thread. Save your SP > skill rant for when 1.7 comes out. |
Justin Tymes
Dem Durrty Boyz
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.10.30 22:51:00 -
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Judge Rhadamanthus wrote:I was not advocating one position or the other. I wanted to know what Justin, who thinks SP should not give an advantage, would see as the purpose and function of skill points.
If skill points do give and advantage, the determination of the size of this advantage is the balance. If they give no advantage what then?
It should give an advantage but that advantage must be relative with everything else in the game. I have about 15mill invested into making a complete Gallente Logistics suit right now. I should always be able to be solo'd, because that's the way Dust works.
Tanks already have an advantage to being immune to most weapons, and have the ability to kill anything in seconds, if that. Which is fine but AV has to be your counter. 1 man should be able to solo another man regardless of the SP wall. 1 man should not be bending numerical advantage to his will, simply because he decided to bring a well-fit tank in play, that completely goes against skill. |
Justin Tymes
Dem Durrty Boyz
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.10.30 23:34:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:Justin Tymes wrote:Judge Rhadamanthus wrote:I was not advocating one position or the other. I wanted to know what Justin, who thinks SP should not give an advantage, would see as the purpose and function of skill points.
If skill points do give and advantage, the determination of the size of this advantage is the balance. If they give no advantage what then? It should give an advantage but that advantage must be relative with everything else in the game. I have about 15mill invested into making a complete Gallente Logistics suit right now. I should always be able to be solo'd, because that's the way Dust works. Tanks already have an advantage to being immune to most weapons, and have the ability to kill anything in seconds, if that. Which is fine but AV has to be your counter. 1 man should be able to solo another man regardless of the SP wall. 1 man should not be bending numerical advantage to his will, simply because he decided to bring a well-fit tank in play, that completely goes against skill. then that means that I wasted over 10 million SP to go into tanks when heavies are the better way to go since they are actually balanced versus other things. and by your logic, dust 514 should not exist because it puts personal investment on the same level as personal skill and you people don't like that. its completely fine for a single man to mow down an entire team inside a human sized heavy dropsuit because well... hes a heavy dropstuit with more hp than you all and he has a more powerful gun. but its wrong for a person to win against an entire team using a 50 ton vehicle sized weapon with a vehicle sized turret mounted on it because by your logic, his sp and isk investment is far greater than yours so he should be punished for being more into it than you are.
The logic is that any and everyone should be able to be solo'd regardless of the SP wall or ISK costs. You analogy is bad because it's not rare at all for a heavy to be solo'd. This is completely different from not only requiring specific and limited weapons to kill you, but requiring multiple men to do it, and the number of Infantry needed is dependent on the class of your weapons. That's advantage manipulation period, and it goes against skill. |
Justin Tymes
Dem Durrty Boyz
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.10.30 23:45:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:Justin Tymes wrote:Void Echo wrote:Justin Tymes wrote:Judge Rhadamanthus wrote:I was not advocating one position or the other. I wanted to know what Justin, who thinks SP should not give an advantage, would see as the purpose and function of skill points.
If skill points do give and advantage, the determination of the size of this advantage is the balance. If they give no advantage what then? It should give an advantage but that advantage must be relative with everything else in the game. I have about 15mill invested into making a complete Gallente Logistics suit right now. I should always be able to be solo'd, because that's the way Dust works. Tanks already have an advantage to being immune to most weapons, and have the ability to kill anything in seconds, if that. Which is fine but AV has to be your counter. 1 man should be able to solo another man regardless of the SP wall. 1 man should not be bending numerical advantage to his will, simply because he decided to bring a well-fit tank in play, that completely goes against skill. then that means that I wasted over 10 million SP to go into tanks when heavies are the better way to go since they are actually balanced versus other things. and by your logic, dust 514 should not exist because it puts personal investment on the same level as personal skill and you people don't like that. its completely fine for a single man to mow down an entire team inside a human sized heavy dropsuit because well... hes a heavy dropstuit with more hp than you all and he has a more powerful gun. but its wrong for a person to win against an entire team using a 50 ton vehicle sized weapon with a vehicle sized turret mounted on it because by your logic, his sp and isk investment is far greater than yours so he should be punished for being more into it than you are. The logic is that any and everyone should be able to be solo'd regardless of the SP wall or ISK costs. You analogy is bad because it's not rare at all for a heavy to be solo'd. This is completely different from not only requiring specific and limited weapons to kill you, but requiring multiple men to do it, and the number of Infantry needed is dependent on the class of your weapons. That's advantage manipulation period, and it goes against skill. then refund my tank sp so I can put it into proto gallente assault, since by your logic, my gallente suit should one shot any tank with a scrambler pistol.
 
I don't know where you got a Gallente suit with a scrambler pistol soloing a tank out of my my post, but I'm done. |
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