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          Godin Thekiller 
          Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
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        Posted - 2013.10.30 04:43:00 -
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          Just wanted to know.
 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever! 
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          Void Echo 
          Blades of Dust
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        Posted - 2013.10.30 04:53:00 -
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          nope
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Top 10 Tankers // Master Rail Gunner 
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          THEAMAZING POTHEAD 
          Nyain San Proficiency V.
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        Posted - 2013.10.30 04:55:00 -
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          Godin Thekiller wrote:Just wanted to know.   if you're waiting for racial tanks to be more usuable than the STD versions you'll probably be waiting a LONG time. The sagaris and surya were always useless compared to the gunnys and maddys because of the insane hull price.  as for your question, No. still garbo enforcer tanks, maddys and gunnys still superior | 
      
      
      
          
          The Attorney General 
          MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN.
  1397
  
          
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        Posted - 2013.10.30 05:07:00 -
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          Too much hate on enforcers. 
  Hybrid Vayu FTW (in pubs)
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          Operative 1171 Aajli 
          Bragian Order Amarr Empire
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        Posted - 2013.10.30 12:40:00 -
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          Yes, they will be doing thatGǪ right after they remove them from the game in the vehicle patch. | 
      
      
      
          
          shaman oga 
          Nexus Balusa Horizon
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        Posted - 2013.10.30 12:41:00 -
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          I hope they'll sell all my falchions
 "Just another piece of duct tape" 
Equality Event 
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          Iron Wolf Saber 
          Den of Swords
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        Posted - 2013.10.30 14:34:00 -
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          I think we need to move away from specialist >>>> standard concepts. 
  ... If had to remake the enforce it would be to double the magazine size and ammo reserves and significantly up its HP but lower its overall acceleration (max speed is the same) and maybe two topside guns and the nose gun position still. 
  As for muraders
  Dual Large Guns :D
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Omni-Soldier Specialist 
Current Theme \\= Minmatar Assault and Logistics =// Unlocked. 
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          Sinboto Simmons 
          SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
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        Posted - 2013.10.30 14:36:00 -
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          Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I think we need to move away from specialist >>>> standard concepts.    That's why we have the AR problem now. 
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          Flix Keptick 
          Red Star. EoN.
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        Posted - 2013.10.30 15:40:00 -
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          Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I think we need to move away from specialist >>>> standard concepts. 
  ... If had to remake the enforce it would be to double the magazine size and ammo reserves and significantly up its HP but lower its overall acceleration (max speed is the same) and maybe two topside guns and the nose gun position still. Bonuses would be things to enable to keep shooting for longer (so heat reduction, cooldown faster, larger mags for non heating turrets)
  As for muraders
  Dual Large Guns :D   Did you just propose something awesome about vehicles? Who are you and what have you done with IWS? I agree 100% with your ideas. The same should be applied with suits, for a specialization you get a negative thing (such as a damage reduction for logi suits)
  Also, can you imagine the damage and destruction dual large turrets would cause? It would be so epic. Railgun/blaster combo anyone? (It would be so op  )
 Please don't 
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          Meeko Fent 
          expert intervention Caldari State
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        Posted - 2013.10.30 16:21:00 -
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          Sinboto Simmons wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I think we need to move away from specialist >>>> standard concepts.   That's why we have the AR problem now.    Yup.
  Specialists NEED to out preform Standard in their area,,otherwise, we all saw the AR.
  Pshhhhh, Who needs a laser rifle when I can outperform it in its area of specialization with much better results in CQC?
  Pshhhhh, who needs a Shotgun when I can get better long range performance with an AR and have comparable results in CQC?
  Pshhhhh, Who needs an Enforcer when I can get Comparable results with a Maddy, and be able to fit tank mods?
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          Meeko Fent 
          expert intervention Caldari State
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        Posted - 2013.10.30 16:23:00 -
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          Flix Keptick wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I think we need to move away from specialist >>>> standard concepts. 
  ... If had to remake the enforce it would be to double the magazine size and ammo reserves and significantly up its HP but lower its overall acceleration (max speed is the same) and maybe two topside guns and the nose gun position still. Bonuses would be things to enable to keep shooting for longer (so heat reduction, cooldown faster, larger mags for non heating turrets)
  As for muraders
  Dual Large Guns :D  Did you just propose something awesome about vehicles? Who are you and what have you done with IWS? I agree 100% with your ideas. The same should be applied with suits, for a specialization you get a negative thing (such as a damage reduction for logi suits) Also, can you imagine the damage and destruction dual large turrets would cause? It would be so epic. Railgun/blaster combo anyone? (It would be so op   )   Well, I believe that Logi's just should have the loss of a sidearm for their equip, and have everything between the logi and assault suits be the same.
  But besides the point, Dual Tank cannon would be ridiculous. Ly fun!
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          Iron Wolf Saber 
          Den of Swords
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        Posted - 2013.10.30 16:58:00 -
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          Well I was imagining marauders being anything not infantry destroyers. So annoying tanks on the field or an enforcer holding a spot too good call in a murader to get rid of it..
  Drawbacks being slower turret rate of turn, shallower ammo reserves (as dual guns are going to eat it twice as fast) and maybe slower top speed, removed nose gun single top gun maybe stronger forward resistances to withstand other vehicles and hp and tanking values similar to that of standard HAVs.
  Logi DS and LAVs I was thinking as the logibro for vehicles, so nanohives,and reppers bonuses may be a remote resistance amp for infantry OR vehicles. Logi DS will have superior range of their support and ability to fly but the LAV would be much lowe r profile ground hugger and a possible capable mine sweeper. 
  Scout LAV is a bit hard but maybe a permanently on scanner would work and a small radar dish on top. Could possibly run a tacnet jammer or emp generator to offline OMS to allow them to be hacked while posing a less of a threat.
  Both Specialist LAVs lose their back turret. 
  Logi LAV gets a two seat rear MCRU bus instead.
  Scout LAV mounting changes in the back for the sensor package but has a small controlled by passenger turret mounted on top.
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Omni-Soldier Specialist 
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          Godin Thekiller 
          Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
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        Posted - 2013.10.30 19:39:00 -
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          Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I think we need to move away from specialist >>>> standard concepts. 
  ... If had to remake the enforce it would be to double the magazine size and ammo reserves and significantly up its HP but lower its overall acceleration (max speed is the same) and maybe two topside guns and the nose gun position still. Bonuses would be things to enable to keep shooting for longer (so heat reduction, cooldown faster, larger mags for non heating turrets)
  As for muraders
  Dual Large Guns :D  
  I didn't say that they should be better overall. BUt that's the thing: they aren't really better at anything at all. The speed and eHP plus the CPU/PG values proves that.
 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever! 
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          daishi mk03 
          Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
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        Posted - 2013.10.30 19:42:00 -
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          Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Well I was imagining marauders being anything not infantry destroyers. So annoying tanks on the field or an enforcer holding a spot too good call in a murader to get rid of it..
  Drawbacks being slower turret rate of turn, shallower ammo reserves (as dual guns are going to eat it twice as fast) and maybe slower top speed, removed nose gun single top gun maybe stronger forward resistances to withstand other vehicles and hp and tanking values similar to that of standard HAVs.
  Logi DS and LAVs I was thinking as the logibro for vehicles, so nanohives,and reppers bonuses may be a remote resistance amp for infantry OR vehicles. Logi DS will have superior range of their support and ability to fly but the LAV would be much lowe r profile ground hugger and a possible capable mine sweeper. 
  Scout LAV is a bit hard but maybe a permanently on scanner would work and a small radar dish on top. Could possibly run a tacnet jammer or emp generator to offline OMS to allow them to be hacked while posing a less of a threat.
  Both Specialist LAVs lose their back turret. 
  Logi LAV gets a two seat rear MCRU bus instead.
  Scout LAV mounting changes in the back for the sensor package but has a small controlled by passenger turret mounted on top.  
  IWS, man, I swear, those ideas are brilliant. What the **** .. make them this way. I want a double cannon marauder to eat other tanks, I want it NAO.
  WHAT DO WE WANT? - A medicine against Alzheimer's! WHEN DO WE WANT IT? - When do we want what?
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          Godin Thekiller 
          Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
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        Posted - 2013.10.30 19:45:00 -
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          Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Well I was imagining marauders being anything not infantry destroyers. So annoying tanks on the field or an enforcer holding a spot too good call in a murader to get rid of it..
  Drawbacks being slower turret rate of turn, shallower ammo reserves (as dual guns are going to eat it twice as fast) and maybe slower top speed, removed nose gun single top gun maybe stronger forward resistances to withstand other vehicles and hp and tanking values similar to that of standard HAVs.
  Logi DS and LAVs I was thinking as the logibro for vehicles, so nanohives,and reppers bonuses may be a remote resistance amp for infantry OR vehicles. Logi DS will have superior range of their support and ability to fly but the LAV would be much lowe r profile ground hugger and a possible capable mine sweeper. 
  Scout LAV is a bit hard but maybe a permanently on scanner would work and a small radar dish on top. Could possibly run a tacnet jammer or emp generator to offline OMS to allow them to be hacked while posing a less of a threat.
  Both Specialist LAVs lose their back turret. 
  Logi LAV gets a two seat rear MCRU bus instead.
  Scout LAV mounting changes in the back for the sensor package but has a small controlled by passenger turret mounted on top.  
  Or we could do these and go from there for the ammo and such.
 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever! 
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          KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf 
          Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
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        Posted - 2013.10.30 20:02:00 -
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          Specialized vehicles should be sidegrades, not upgrades. Gain something to fill a specific role better, but lose something else to balance it. The prices should close to the basic vehicles though.
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          Godin Thekiller 
          Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
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        Posted - 2013.10.30 20:05:00 -
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          KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Specialized vehicles should be sidegrades, not upgrades. Gain something to fill a specific role better, but lose something else to balance it. The prices should close to the basic vehicles though.   
  I didn't say they were. Still odd though that they lose fitting power, then gain a slot. Plus, what does the Enforcers have going for them? Nothing. Get out.
 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever! 
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