DUST Search - Force Launcher - New Minmatar Light AV weapon

Vyzion Eyri wrote:

Django Quik wrote:

Not played COD Zombies nor Dead Space but would be intrigued to hear more about those weapons you guys mention.

Also True, don't know what you said before but please feel free to comment and help flesh this idea out. Even bad comments can help shape something good... Sometimes.

Well the thunder gun may be a LITTLE overpowered in actual FPS gameplay... was intended to demolish in a game against AI zombies. However it's mechanics could be applicable here. Damage increases the closer you are to the target, and if you're too far it does no damage but simply knocks you down/back.

Could apply this to infantry in that if you're too close to the weapon, you get sent flying (taking small impact damage upon landing), but past maybe 20m your movement is only slightly disrupted.

As for vehicles, since they're heavier and bigger than infantry units, they can't be blown away, so instead they take damage. Like a train hitting a feather as opposed to a brick. The brick is smashed but the feather is simply pushed out of the way. Exceptions could include if you're on a roof and you shoot downwards with a force launcher, basically squashing infantry into the floor (would be hilarious)

Not sure if this is what you were thinking of but that was the image I had in my head.

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Django Quik Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1664	Posted - 2013.10.29 20:47:00 - [1] - Quote Re-posting this from an old thread that disappeared very quickly when I posted it before Been reading up on Eve/Dust fiction lately and came upon this little gem that reminded me about this forum thread. About halfway through (third paragraph after the * * *) a big ol' Brutor soldier brings out a 'Force Launcher' that takes a big chunk out of a wall. It appears to be wielded by a minmatar heavy but it's shoulder mounted, so may possibly be a heavy or light weapon. The way it works seems to be that it fires a 'force field' that blasts everything in its path, so kinetic energy? My suggestion is that the force launcher in the game would be a short range high damage weapon. Say 30m optimum 50m effective and 1000hp damage with 110% to armor and 85% to shield. I'd give it a suitable charge up time of maybe 1 second and similar ammo counts as swarm launchers. The intention would be for it to be used as a vehicle ambush weapon (something entirely non-existent currently). It could also be used as an anti-infantry weapon but would be an utter waste of the small number of rounds it carries. Perhaps anti-infantry abuse could be reduced by giving the weapon the effective fire-pattern of a giant shotgun - i.e. the 'force field' spreads out like invisible pellets, say 10, with each doing 100hp damage. Vehicles are large enough that they would likely take the full blast but infantry would likely only catch a small number. An added effect of this would be that it could also be used as effective crowd control, keeping large groups of enemies pushed back but not necessarily killing any of them. Variants of the force launcher could include: longer range, tighter spread (tactical); shorter range, wider spread, higher damage (breach); quicker charge time, lower damage (assault). I can't imagine an appropriate burst variant, so will leave that out for now. Dust2Dust - Funeral arrangements for all of New Eden. Join our public channel D2D. to chat and squad with us.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3747	Posted - 2013.10.29 20:59:00 - [2] - Quote Can you explain why you think a force launcher would do more damage to armour than to shield? Or are you just going on the standard Amarr be armour tankers so this is how it should be? I still believe as standard RPG is required by this game, and the Minnies should have it. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 1664	Posted - 2013.10.29 21:15:00 - [3] - Quote Well if it is kinetic damage, then that should be more armour damage, right? But if it's an energy force field that's launched, then that'd be shield. Dust2Dust - Funeral arrangements for all of New Eden. Join our public channel D2D. to chat and squad with us.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kinsho Swords Caldari State 37	Posted - 2013.10.29 21:31:00 - [4] - Quote Django Quik wrote: Re-posting this from an old thread that disappeared very quickly when I posted it before The intention would be for it to be used as a vehicle ambush weapon (something entirely non-existent currently). So a swarm launcher isn't a vehicle ambush weapon ...???... it has NO EFFECT on an individual entity . And this sounds somewhat like a Plasma Cannon . P.S. Why do you people keep asking for RPG's when you have Mass Drivers ???? True they are not that effective against vehicles but they can produce SOME damage and the Freedom Mass Driver is a Very Effective weapon . An RPG is a Rocket Propelled Grenade and if that's not what a mass driver is then I must be missing something . I guess how it's administered is not considered Rocket Styled , is that it ??? " Doubts are like flies and should be crushed !!!!!! " I hope that I am THE FLY SWATTER of those in my presence .
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 1665	Posted - 2013.10.29 21:35:00 - [5] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Django Quik wrote: Re-posting this from an old thread that disappeared very quickly when I posted it before The intention would be for it to be used as a vehicle ambush weapon (something entirely non-existent currently). So a swarm launcher isn't a vehicle ambush weapon ...???... it has NO EFFECT on an individual entity . And this sounds somewhat like a Plasma Cannon . Nah, this is a short range dumb fire AOE weapon with no fire arc. And by ambush AV Im talking about literally being right next to the vehicle, not 200m away hiding up a hill. Dust2Dust - Funeral arrangements for all of New Eden. Join our public channel D2D. to chat and squad with us.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kinsho Swords Caldari State 37	Posted - 2013.10.29 21:38:00 - [6] - Quote Django Quik wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Django Quik wrote: Re-posting this from an old thread that disappeared very quickly when I posted it before The intention would be for it to be used as a vehicle ambush weapon (something entirely non-existent currently). So a swarm launcher isn't a vehicle ambush weapon ...???... it has NO EFFECT on an individual entity . And this sounds somewhat like a Plasma Cannon . Nah, this is a short range dumb fire AOE weapon with no fire arc. And by ambush AV Im talking about literally being right next to the vehicle, not 200m away hiding up a hill. Wow ... your courageous !!!! You have my blessings . Thank you for the clarification . " Doubts are like flies and should be crushed !!!!!! " I hope that I am THE FLY SWATTER of those in my presence .
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 1666	Posted - 2013.10.29 21:48:00 - [7] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Django Quik wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Django Quik wrote: Re-posting this from an old thread that disappeared very quickly when I posted it before The intention would be for it to be used as a vehicle ambush weapon (something entirely non-existent currently). So a swarm launcher isn't a vehicle ambush weapon ...???... it has NO EFFECT on an individual entity . And this sounds somewhat like a Plasma Cannon . Nah, this is a short range dumb fire AOE weapon with no fire arc. And by ambush AV Im talking about literally being right next to the vehicle, not 200m away hiding up a hill. Wow ... your courageous !!!! You have my blessings . Thank you for the clarification . Cheers. Im a scout and this would be perfect for sneaking up or jumping down at a tank, AV nade or flux and smash with a force launch or 2 and kaboom! Dust2Dust - Funeral arrangements for all of New Eden. Join our public channel D2D. to chat and squad with us.
Llast 326 An Arkhos 296	Posted - 2013.10.29 22:16:00 - [8] - Quote Django Quik wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Django Quik wrote: Re-posting this from an old thread that disappeared very quickly when I posted it before The intention would be for it to be used as a vehicle ambush weapon (something entirely non-existent currently). So a swarm launcher isn't a vehicle ambush weapon ...???... it has NO EFFECT on an individual entity . And this sounds somewhat like a Plasma Cannon . Nah, this is a short range dumb fire AOE weapon with no fire arc. And by ambush AV Im talking about literally being right next to the vehicle, not 200m away hiding up a hill. Or let us hack occupied vehicles to do damage..... Sabotage...for scouts
Jrakraa5 ZilchmobZ Industries 15	Posted - 2013.10.29 23:05:00 - [9] - Quote we have more than enough light weapons. with two more coming in 1.6, what we really need is a new heavy weapon. I would suggest a more of a support role weapon like a mortar, or a heavy duty laser rifle, on that does slightly less damage, but a longer range, heating time and more rounds within the magazine. Recruiting at ZilchMobZ Industries. visit my site here! ZilchMobZ
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3761	Posted - 2013.10.30 01:01:00 - [10] - Quote GONE realised how stupid I was. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"

True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3761	Posted - 2013.10.30 01:06:00 - [11] - Quote REDACTED "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Daxxis KANNAH Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 440	Posted - 2013.10.30 01:37:00 - [12] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: Django Quik wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Django Quik wrote: Re-posting this from an old thread that disappeared very quickly when I posted it before The intention would be for it to be used as a vehicle ambush weapon (something entirely non-existent currently). So a swarm launcher isn't a vehicle ambush weapon ...???... it has NO EFFECT on an individual entity . And this sounds somewhat like a Plasma Cannon . Nah, this is a short range dumb fire AOE weapon with no fire arc. And by ambush AV Im talking about literally being right next to the vehicle, not 200m away hiding up a hill. Or let us hack occupied vehicles to do damage..... Sabotage...for scouts Hack the hatch - drop in an RE Pop a Top
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 465	Posted - 2013.10.30 02:04:00 - [13] - Quote The Mimmitar already have a Light AV Weapon It's called the Core Breach Mass Driver Slap a complex dmg mod, and Proficiency V and you'll be killing tanks in no time! If you can't solo me w/MLT AV, or if you get shot by infantry, it's your fault -Tanker's Logic (New ones everyday!)
Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 1624	Posted - 2013.10.30 02:46:00 - [14] - Quote Does this remind anyone else of the thunder gun in CoD zombies? > "I will show you fear in a handful of dust." T.S. Eliot, The Wasteland
Jadu Wen Xer Cloud Consortium 17	Posted - 2013.10.30 02:52:00 - [15] - Quote The description but not the picture screams dead space force gun to me. I would not mind seeing some type of variation here. GûÆGûêGûæGûæGûÆGûê GûÆGûêGûÇGûÇGûÇ GûÆGûêGûäGûæGûÆGûê GûÆGûêGûÆGûêGûÆGûê GûÆGûêGûÇGûÇGûÇ GûÆGûêGûÆGûêGûÆGûê GûÆGûêGûäGûÇGûäGûê GûÆGûêGûäGûäGûä GûÆGûêGûæGûæGûÇGûê ? SoonGäó
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 1679	Posted - 2013.10.30 05:59:00 - [16] - Quote Not played COD Zombies nor Dead Space but would be intrigued to hear more about those weapons you guys mention. Also True, don't know what you said before but please feel free to comment and help flesh this idea out. Even bad comments can help shape something good... Sometimes. Dust2Dust - Funeral arrangements for all of New Eden. Join our public channel D2D. to chat and squad with us.
Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 1626	Posted - 2013.10.30 06:14:00 - [17] - Quote Django Quik wrote: Not played COD Zombies nor Dead Space but would be intrigued to hear more about those weapons you guys mention. Also True, don't know what you said before but please feel free to comment and help flesh this idea out. Even bad comments can help shape something good... Sometimes. Well the thunder gun may be a LITTLE overpowered in actual FPS gameplay... was intended to demolish in a game against AI zombies. However it's mechanics could be applicable here. Damage increases the closer you are to the target, and if you're too far it does no damage but simply knocks you down/back. Could apply this to infantry in that if you're too close to the weapon, you get sent flying (taking small impact damage upon landing), but past maybe 20m your movement is only slightly disrupted. As for vehicles, since they're heavier and bigger than infantry units, they can't be blown away, so instead they take damage. Like a train hitting a feather as opposed to a brick. The brick is smashed but the feather is simply pushed out of the way. Exceptions could include if you're on a roof and you shoot downwards with a force launcher, basically squashing infantry into the floor (would be hilarious) Not sure if this is what you were thinking of but that was the image I had in my head. > "I will show you fear in a handful of dust." T.S. Eliot, The Wasteland
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 1680	Posted - 2013.10.30 08:19:00 - [18] - Quote Vyzion Eyri wrote: Django Quik wrote: Not played COD Zombies nor Dead Space but would be intrigued to hear more about those weapons you guys mention. Also True, don't know what you said before but please feel free to comment and help flesh this idea out. Even bad comments can help shape something good... Sometimes. Well the thunder gun may be a LITTLE overpowered in actual FPS gameplay... was intended to demolish in a game against AI zombies. However it's mechanics could be applicable here. Damage increases the closer you are to the target, and if you're too far it does no damage but simply knocks you down/back. Could apply this to infantry in that if you're too close to the weapon, you get sent flying (taking small impact damage upon landing), but past maybe 20m your movement is only slightly disrupted. As for vehicles, since they're heavier and bigger than infantry units, they can't be blown away, so instead they take damage. Like a train hitting a feather as opposed to a brick. The brick is smashed but the feather is simply pushed out of the way. Exceptions could include if you're on a roof and you shoot downwards with a force launcher, basically squashing infantry into the floor (would be hilarious) Not sure if this is what you were thinking of but that was the image I had in my head. Very interesting and yes, there are certainly some aspects of this that can be applied to the Force Launcher. The crowd control side of things would be good but I think the mechanics might be a tad difficult to implement and then balance but in concept it's cool. Dust2Dust - Funeral arrangements for all of New Eden. Join our public channel D2D. to chat and squad with us.
Jadu Wen Xer Cloud Consortium 26	Posted - 2013.10.30 15:42:00 - [19] - Quote I could see this being used in an interesting way to deter dropships and LAVs by severely jostling them off kilter. I wonder how you'd go about balancing a gun like this. Initially, I would say this needs an audible charge up time that serves as a early detection warning. GûÆGûêGûæGûæGûÆGûê GûÆGûêGûÇGûÇGûÇ GûÆGûêGûäGûæGûÆGûê GûÆGûêGûÆGûêGûÆGûê GûÆGûêGûÇGûÇGûÇ GûÆGûêGûÆGûêGûÆGûê GûÆGûêGûäGûÇGûäGûê GûÆGûêGûäGûäGûä GûÆGûêGûæGûæGûÇGûê ? SoonGäó
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 1681	Posted - 2013.10.30 17:43:00 - [20] - Quote Jadu Wen wrote: I could see this being used in an interesting way to deter dropships and LAVs by severely jostling them off kilter. I wonder how you'd go about balancing a gun like this. Initially, I would say this needs an audible charge up time that serves as a early detection warning. Yeah, I hadn't really thought about it's anti-aircraft potential but that sounds great. I'd agree that it needs both an audible and visual charge warning - I'm thinking something like a wooshing boomtube kinda noise and a lit up glowing kinda thing for the visual side. Dust2Dust - Funeral arrangements for all of New Eden. Join our public channel D2D. to chat and squad with us.

MySpaceTom 7	Posted - 2013.10.30 21:58:00 - [21] - Quote Oh my Gosh!!! It's an AirZooka. The greatest 'air' defense system ever invented. 4920616d204a6164656b204d656e616865696d277320526167696e672042696c652044756374
Jadu Wen Xer Cloud Consortium 29	Posted - 2013.10.30 22:00:00 - [22] - Quote Tom, that video was beautiful. GûÆGûêGûæGûæGûÆGûê GûÆGûêGûÇGûÇGûÇ GûÆGûêGûäGûæGûÆGûê GûÆGûêGûÆGûêGûÆGûê GûÆGûêGûÇGûÇGûÇ GûÆGûêGûÆGûêGûÆGûê GûÆGûêGûäGûÇGûäGûê GûÆGûêGûäGûäGûä GûÆGûêGûæGûæGûÇGûê ? SoonGäó
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 1683	Posted - 2013.10.30 22:21:00 - [23] - Quote MySpaceTom wrote: Oh my Gosh!!! It's an AirZooka. The greatest 'air' defense system ever invented. Bahahahaahahahahahaa amazing. Yes. We need this weapon in Dust514 immediately! Dust2Dust - Funeral arrangements for all of New Eden. Join our public channel D2D. to chat and squad with us.
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 1793	Posted - 2013.11.28 21:55:00 - [24] - Quote With the changes to AV coming, I really think the force launcher would be a fantastic addition to the AV arsenal. Imagine a tank running rampant in 1.7 only for a wee scout to pop up behind it and use a giant AV shotgun to deal some serious damage and at least scare him off. The ROF would be slow and range little more than a sidearm but the damage could be immense as a trade off. The AI capabilities would be pretty decent too but with a very small ammo capacity using it specifically for such purposes would be a huge waste. Dust2Dust - Funeral arrangements for all of New Eden. Join our public channel D2D. to chat and squad with us.
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle 69	Posted - 2013.11.28 22:29:00 - [25] - Quote Honestly I'd love to see a heavy autocannon more than anything in this game... similar to the heavy machine gun, but much higher damage per shot, considerably less Rounds Per Minute (say 2-3 rounds per second at about 200-250 dmg, so accuracy is very important) effective versus both vehicles and dropsuits, with the typical minmatar damage profiles less effective vs shield, more effective vs armor. Something maybe like the current british rarden 30mm (though hand carried and with a satisfying K-CHUNK every time its fired and a spent round is ejected), or like this current 25mm m242 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kb6KsYE4X3I
Shadow Archeus OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 158	Posted - 2013.11.28 23:35:00 - [26] - Quote I want to see a javelin style rocket launcher.....to deal with rail tanks that pull behind hiltops
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 1795	Posted - 2013.11.29 08:34:00 - [27] - Quote Shadow Archeus wrote: I want to see a javelin style rocket launcher.....to deal with rail tanks that pull behind hiltops How would that work? Is the swarmer not the rocket AV? Forgive my ignorance - I don't really know what the javelin is... Dust2Dust - Funeral arrangements for all of New Eden. Join our public channel D2D. to chat and squad with us.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 695	Posted - 2013.11.29 08:35:00 - [28] - Quote Shadow Archeus wrote: I want to see a javelin style rocket launcher.....to deal with rail tanks that pull behind hiltops This is what the plasma cannon should be: A light mortar with parabolic trajectory. KDR > ALL ME > KDR ME > ALL
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 1795	Posted - 2013.11.29 08:36:00 - [29] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Honestly I'd love to see a heavy autocannon more than anything in this game... similar to the heavy machine gun, but much higher damage per shot, considerably less Rounds Per Minute (say 2-3 rounds per second at about 200-250 dmg, so accuracy is very important) effective versus both vehicles and dropsuits, with the typical minmatar damage profiles less effective vs shield, more effective vs armor. Something maybe like the current british rarden 30mm (though hand carried and with a satisfying K-CHUNK every time its fired and a spent round is ejected), or like this current 25mm m242 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kb6KsYE4X3I An auto-cannon might be a little too large for even a heavy merc to carry but I like the idea of a low ROF high damage HMG style weapon. However, I think the damage profile would have to change because the minmatar already have a AI heavy weapon. Maybe make it like a heavy plasma/laser repeater? Dust2Dust - Funeral arrangements for all of New Eden. Join our public channel D2D. to chat and squad with us.
Timothy Reaper WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 587	Posted - 2013.11.29 08:51:00 - [30] - Quote When people started discussing the force gun's effect on infantry this is what came to mind: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VpLRpcL9CA Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. Mark Twain



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