DUST Search - what reason is there really to run anything but a logi suit?

Seymor Krelborn wrote:

Cosgar wrote:

Seymor Krelborn wrote:

Cosgar wrote:

And again, a logistics suit might match or surpass another role in one aspect, but they can't all at the same time. The CaLogi used to, but was re-balanced, the other suits can't be better than another aspect that another suit without being severely gimped in another. 1k HP is nothing if you can't move worth a **** when you need to, and you're pretty much dead once you have to reload. Again, balanced.

no they cant do everything in one fit... but a squad of 6 can... and yes you may be slower... so you keep an lav and/or cover near by...

the suit isn't supposed to do it all for you, the player's skill is a big part of it... but theres no real choice right now, logis are the best suits, that's why scouts and heavies are so upset and why most assaults are logies...

Just underlined the point that matters. They can't do everything in one fit. Fit the suit to tank, it's going to be slow, fit it with speed mods, it's going to be squishy, damage mods and armor? Might hit hard, but still no weapon to fall back on and still slow. You fit something, something has to be given up. Basic dropsuit fitting 101.

Also, 6 of anything can be overpowered. Have you ever seen 6 shotgun scouts running in a pack?

6 shotty scouts would be a joke in the present build... you only underlined the part that matters to you and you still fail to comprehend my point...
so I will type it in caps...

A LOGI SUIT CAN COVER ALMOST EVERY ROLE IN THE GAME MAKING IT THE ONLY SUIT TRULLY WORTH SPENDING SP ON.

what I want from CCP is to make every suit amazing at doing something so there's a real choice between them.

ill use eve as an example here...

if I want to tackle I don't use a battle ship if I want DD, say, in an incursion, im not bringing a frigate.
and certainly if I want to do either job with a logi ship I could but nowhere near as well as say a tackle rifter or a DD dominix

are you getting it yet?

I don't want a logi nerf. I want a buff to other suits that would give me a real choice about speccing in them...

someone mentioned a passive 10% boost to dmg with assault suits... that would be awesome.
or get those cloaks in the game and make scout suits the only one that can use them...

that kind of stuff.


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DeathwindRising Rogue Spades EoN. 113	Posted - 2013.10.30 08:09:00 - [1] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: Oswald Rehnquist wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Your logi will never be able to compete with the scout's passive scan range, and profile dampening. Profile dampening is easily negligible, all they need is to get that below 28, which is doable if they wanted a scout build Now the new changes to passive scans will not be able to be breached by the logi Also the new buff the heavy armor will help the heavy separate itself from the logi, but not by enough to make a real impact on the field... scout scanning doesn't win battles or accrue many WPs heavies may have more ehp now but they are still slow as turtles... and the only place turtles win races is in the storybooks... ill take my caldari tanked suit I fit with all complex extenders 1 enhanced dmg mod and all bpo militia plates for a total of 1029 ehp or fit a few enhanced plates and eek out about 1200 ehp over the heavies extra few hundred, plus I can fit triage hives and some remotes for an even larger advantage over the heavy... Im just not seeing a convincing argument to run anything but a logi unless youre a masochist... a proto caldari logi suit with 515 shields and 288 armor takes 33.75 seconds to recharge its shield from 0 to 515. because its recharge is only 20 hp/s an proto caldari assault suit with 392 shields and 150 armor takes 8.4 seconds to recharge its shields from 0 to 392. because its shield recharge is 84.48 hp/s it would take that logi 27.6 seconds to recharge 392 shields... so unless all your enemies are standing out in the open or simply letting you shoot them, that logi suit isnt what you want to be in for multiple fights.
DeathwindRising Rogue Spades EoN. 116	Posted - 2013.10.30 21:27:00 - [2] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: Cosgar wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Cosgar wrote: And again, a logistics suit might match or surpass another role in one aspect, but they can't all at the same time. The CaLogi used to, but was re-balanced, the other suits can't be better than another aspect that another suit without being severely gimped in another. 1k HP is nothing if you can't move worth a **** when you need to, and you're pretty much dead once you have to reload. Again, balanced. no they cant do everything in one fit... but a squad of 6 can... and yes you may be slower... so you keep an lav and/or cover near by... the suit isn't supposed to do it all for you, the player's skill is a big part of it... but theres no real choice right now, logis are the best suits, that's why scouts and heavies are so upset and why most assaults are logies... Just underlined the point that matters. They can't do everything in one fit. Fit the suit to tank, it's going to be slow, fit it with speed mods, it's going to be squishy, damage mods and armor? Might hit hard, but still no weapon to fall back on and still slow. You fit something, something has to be given up. Basic dropsuit fitting 101. Also, 6 of anything can be overpowered. Have you ever seen 6 shotgun scouts running in a pack? 6 shotty scouts would be a joke in the present build... you only underlined the part that matters to you and you still fail to comprehend my point... so I will type it in caps... A LOGI SUIT CAN COVER ALMOST EVERY ROLE IN THE GAME MAKING IT THE ONLY SUIT TRULLY WORTH SPENDING SP ON. what I want from CCP is to make every suit amazing at doing something so there's a real choice between them. ill use eve as an example here... if I want to tackle I don't use a battle ship if I want DD, say, in an incursion, im not bringing a frigate. and certainly if I want to do either job with a logi ship I could but nowhere near as well as say a tackle rifter or a DD dominix are you getting it yet? I don't want a logi nerf. I want a buff to other suits that would give me a real choice about speccing in them... someone mentioned a passive 10% boost to dmg with assault suits... that would be awesome. or get those cloaks in the game and make scout suits the only one that can use them... that kind of stuff. the only assault suit that would make sense to have a damage boost bonus would be the minmatar. fits with their style more