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Altina McAlterson
Pure Innocence.
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Posted - 2013.10.29 03:11:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:Altina McAlterson wrote:If the officer weapons are randomly generated by the game with an equal chance for everyone how would anyone get a monopoly? Someone else posted this already but I didn't see an answer so I was just wondering. The corps with tens of Billions buy them all that's how.
So what? They'll still have to buy them in the first place so what's the problem? Are they going to sell them for less than they paid for them? Drive down the price and then buy and sell them for the same low price to someone else? I still don't understand what difference it will make. |
JL3Eleven
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
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Posted - 2013.10.29 03:17:00 -
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Altina McAlterson wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Altina McAlterson wrote:If the officer weapons are randomly generated by the game with an equal chance for everyone how would anyone get a monopoly? Someone else posted this already but I didn't see an answer so I was just wondering. The corps with tens of Billions buy them all that's how. So what? They'll still have to buy them in the first place so what's the problem? Are they going to sell them for less than they paid for them? Drive down the price and then buy and sell them for the same low price to someone else? I still don't understand what difference it will make.
Or how about they use them to stomp your corp hardcore. Then you don't want to fight them because you cannot compete against them. Members leave your corp because you cannot compete then corp fails. |
Void Echo
Blades of Dust
1982
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Posted - 2013.10.29 03:25:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Officer weapons are not finite you can always get more. and sell then for a **** ton of ISK if they try to monopolize
actually, once the player market comes here, officers will no longer be attainable by anything other that the market. not even salvaging anymore.
TheGamerPath
Closed Beta Vet
Top 10 Tankers // Master Rail Gunner
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Altina McAlterson
Pure Innocence.
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Posted - 2013.10.29 03:25:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:Altina McAlterson wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Altina McAlterson wrote:If the officer weapons are randomly generated by the game with an equal chance for everyone how would anyone get a monopoly? Someone else posted this already but I didn't see an answer so I was just wondering. The corps with tens of Billions buy them all that's how. So what? They'll still have to buy them in the first place so what's the problem? Are they going to sell them for less than they paid for them? Drive down the price and then buy and sell them for the same low price to someone else? I still don't understand what difference it will make. Or how about they use them to stomp your corp hardcore. Then you don't want to fight them because you cannot compete against them. Members leave your corp because you cannot compete then corp fails.
I guess. But I haven't found any officer weapons yet that make you invincible so the whole thing just seems like a silly idea. They'd burn through them and then be out all the money for no real reason. |
JL3Eleven
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Posted - 2013.10.29 03:30:00 -
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Altina McAlterson wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Altina McAlterson wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Altina McAlterson wrote:If the officer weapons are randomly generated by the game with an equal chance for everyone how would anyone get a monopoly? Someone else posted this already but I didn't see an answer so I was just wondering. The corps with tens of Billions buy them all that's how. So what? They'll still have to buy them in the first place so what's the problem? Are they going to sell them for less than they paid for them? Drive down the price and then buy and sell them for the same low price to someone else? I still don't understand what difference it will make. Or how about they use them to stomp your corp hardcore. Then you don't want to fight them because you cannot compete against them. Members leave your corp because you cannot compete then corp fails. I guess. But I haven't found any officer weapons yet that make you invincible so the whole thing just seems like a silly idea. They'd burn through them and then be out all the money for no real reason.
Ever fire a Balac? 
Now imagine a squad of ReGnYuMs with them.
I'm drunk every time I play, what's your excuse?
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Altina McAlterson
Pure Innocence.
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Posted - 2013.10.29 03:34:00 -
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I understand that. But I've got like 70 of them so I could run them for a good long time if I wanted to but I kill just fine with a Duvolle. So while I see what you're saying I just don't think it's going to be all that big of a deal. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3715
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Posted - 2013.10.29 03:36:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Wait until the industry side comes in and the market is 100% player driven. Hope you guys like paying millions of ISK for prototype gear.
You can buy from me who will run cheap Prototype Gear at affordable prices.
Time to under cut all you stupid mother ******* who think they will get millions for proto gear.
"All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
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JL3Eleven
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Posted - 2013.10.29 03:38:00 -
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Altina McAlterson wrote:I understand that. But I've got like 70 of them so I could run them for a good long time if I wanted to but I kill just fine with a Duvolle. So while I see what you're saying I just don't think it's going to be all that big of a deal.
Every time the top 2 corps go at it hardcore most everyone uses officer weapons. Two fine examples are PFBHz vs. IMPs and TP vs. AE.
I'm drunk every time I play, what's your excuse?
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Poonmunch
Sanguis Defense Syndicate
514
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Posted - 2013.10.29 03:39:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:Altina McAlterson wrote:If the officer weapons are randomly generated by the game with an equal chance for everyone how would anyone get a monopoly? Someone else posted this already but I didn't see an answer so I was just wondering. The corps with tens of Billions buy them all that's how.
They'll try cornering the market for everything. All officer weapons and all the fancy suits.
If the price for Thales is suddenly 1,000,000 ISK per unit, then I bet the game will just supply more. I rarely use them, despite my ongoing love affair with it.
The thing is, you can do very well with a charged sniper rifle and a bunch of complex damage mods.
Save the Thales for PC, your birthday or days when you really want to draw attention.
Munch
What if the hokey pokey really is what it's all about?
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Altina McAlterson
Pure Innocence.
EoN.
676
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Posted - 2013.10.29 03:45:00 -
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Poonmunch wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Altina McAlterson wrote:If the officer weapons are randomly generated by the game with an equal chance for everyone how would anyone get a monopoly? Someone else posted this already but I didn't see an answer so I was just wondering. The corps with tens of Billions buy them all that's how. They'll try cornering the market for everything. All officer weapons and all the fancy suits. If the price for Thales is suddenly 1,000,000 ISK per unit, then I bet the game will just supply more. I rarely use them, despite my ongoing love affair with it. The thing is, you can do very well with a charged sniper rifle and a bunch of complex damage mods. Save the Thales for PC, your birthday or days when you really want to draw attention. Munch
They can't corner the market on something that everyone produces. And trust me when I say if there is one thing CCP has a handle on it's game economics and there's no way they'll tie the drop rate into the market. That makes zero sense.
The market for officer weapons is going to be more or less a way for people to trade without having to track down individual players. Sell what you don't want to buy what you do want. That's the way I see it anyway, but it's just a guess so don't punch me in the balls if I'm wrong. |
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Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
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Posted - 2013.10.29 05:33:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:At lest it'll finally put an end to pub stomping.
If only. A more likely scenario is integrated Eve/Dust groups will simply pass out proto gear like candy in-house. While consul casuals will still have to deal with isk scarcity or AUR purchases the pub stompers only concern will be whatever generates the best KDR gain. |
JL3Eleven
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Posted - 2013.10.29 05:41:00 -
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Rusty Shallows wrote:Cosgar wrote:At lest it'll finally put an end to pub stomping. If only. A more likely scenario is integrated Eve/Dust groups will simply pass out proto gear like candy in-house. While consul casuals will still have to deal with isk scarcity or AUR purchases the pub stompers only concern will be whatever generates the best KDR gain.
Winner Winner.
I'm drunk every time I play, what's your excuse?
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Oh I almost forgot... Can I haz ur stuff?
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Altina McAlterson
Pure Innocence.
EoN.
677
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Posted - 2013.10.29 06:22:00 -
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I should also mention has there been an update on EVE to DUST ISK transfer? Because that is what will make all the difference here. |
The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1102
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Posted - 2013.10.29 06:36:00 -
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He he he...market forces. |
Jade Dragonis
GRIM MARCH
240
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Posted - 2013.10.29 07:45:00 -
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I'm keeping my officers weapons until p2p trading comes in. Then guys in my corp will get em.
Forged again? Your welcome.
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Necandi Brasil
DUST BRASIL S.A
Covert Intervention
412
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Posted - 2013.10.29 08:00:00 -
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Player market ? Oh yes ... that's what the legend about Dust 514 says ...
A DUST BRASIL S.A precisa de você ! Junte-se a nós !
Hey CCP, give me PvE!
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steadyhand amarr
MoIden Heath PoIice Department
EoN.
1635
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Posted - 2013.10.29 08:51:00 -
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This thread is full of stuff that makes EvE fun. :-P welcome to a free market were anything goes included attacking your rivals factory with highly trained mercs
"my faith is my shield, the empress's light my guide and my fury my sword"
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Marston VC
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
1126
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Posted - 2013.10.29 11:10:00 -
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Wilson Ribeiro wrote:Marston VC wrote:Its kind of hard to monopolize items that are random generated for everyone by just playing the game...... Honestly nobody really knows whats going to happen. This sort of thing only happens in eve because a big corp takes over the PRODUCTION of a certain item. They create a scenario where only their corp is capable of making a certain item, and then drive the price way up. Buying and selling can work, but in Dust's case its kind of difficult simply because of 1.) THE sheer volume of weapons that will be for sale on the market. and 2.) the fact that these weapons can be random generated and nobody really "needs" them to begin with.
so will a monopoly happen? Maybe. But like I said, its really hard to monopolize a resource you don't truly control. They cannot control the generation of the weapons, but they can put a price that will sound more attractable than playing 50 battles to get 1 Thale.
and your right about that. But lets be realistic here. That's NOT a monopoly. And most people that aren't snipers have huge stockpiles of extra officer weapons (thales) that they themselves don't use. I imagine theres going to be a lot of in house trading done (in house meaning corporation trade). Sure some people might want to sell, but for the most part I imagine guy A (with thales) will talk to guy B (with balacs) and be like
"yooooooo dude, you got a balac, I got a thale, lets trade" Followed up by "yeahhhh mannnn your in my corp so I don't see any reason not to" and that's the end of the transaction.
Marston VC, STB director
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Wilson Ribeiro
DUST BRASIL S.A
Covert Intervention
84
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Posted - 2013.10.29 13:19:00 -
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Necandi Brasil wrote:Player market ? Oh yes ... that's what the legend about Dust 514 says ...
What's the other option other than believe. |
Vulpes Dolosus
Neanderthal Nation
Public Disorder.
153
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Posted - 2013.10.29 13:30:00 -
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ITT: No one has any idea how economics works.
Dropship Specialist
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Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
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Posted - 2013.10.29 13:44:00 -
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As someone who's been trading/investing semi-regularly in EVE for years with a few hundred billion in assets, I can say the OP is full of poo.
The source of the officer items is not something that the big alliances can monopolise in order to restrict supply, and any variability in supply will be on the scale of seasons and big patches. Now they could as the OP say effect price changes with big enough stockpiles.
Yet doing so requires you not only to have a lot of ISK, but you also have to be constantly active on the markets to .01 isk overbid the other buy orders. And buying from sell orders naturally increases the price if done over longer periods of constant supply.
Not to mention the entity that is going to be a force in the market is more likely to be a handful of dedicated traders who sit at their PS3 all day managing their orders at regular intervals. |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
1551
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Posted - 2013.10.29 13:49:00 -
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Welcome to Capitalism |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
Interstellar Murder of Crows
987
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Posted - 2013.10.29 14:00:00 -
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Wilson Ribeiro wrote:When the P2P market is finally implemented. i know there will a corp or an alliance that will have enough isk to monopolize the officers gun market. They will try to buy officers weapons from all the players, and when those weapons become needed. They will flood the market with them, putting any price they want and making a ridiculous profit in the process.
Yeah I know you guys will do that, don't even think about doing that.
Obviously CCP approves of this, why else would they keep the broken faucet on? |
Wilson Ribeiro
DUST BRASIL S.A
Covert Intervention
85
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Posted - 2013.10.29 14:04:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Officer weapons are not finite you can always get more. and sell then for a **** ton of ISK if they try to monopolize
I liked your gif. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
6789
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Posted - 2013.10.29 21:10:00 -
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Rusty Shallows wrote:Cosgar wrote:At lest it'll finally put an end to pub stomping. If only. A more likely scenario is integrated Eve/Dust groups will simply pass out proto gear like candy in-house. While consul casuals will still have to deal with isk scarcity or AUR purchases the pub stompers only concern will be whatever generates the best KDR gain.
Levels the playing field since it puts more emphasis on Dust/EVE connection.
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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