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Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 602	Posted - 2013.10.29 09:39:00 - [1] - Quote This is a long overdue statement on the direction and past problems with the CPM as far as CCP's interaction with them has proceded up to now. While most here will understand that problems with the launch of Uprising, the departure of the previous Excutive Producer and the number of staff changes and additions to the Dust team over the last couple of months in particular, this statement would appear to some, as an attempt to simply gloss over past mistakes and sing a chorus of 'Don't Worry, Be Happy'. Without a public and forensic breakdown of previous mistakes, how they happened and what is being put in place to prevent it in the future, this statement is merely PR fluff. Well meaning and positive fluff but fluff never the less. Part of the problem is the sheer level of secrecy that the Shanghai office seems to want to maintain. There are those in the playbase and some so far in this thread that cry out that X member of the CPM is does more than Y member and why is Z member even on it when they don't do anything. They couldn't be further from the truth in most of these assertions. The truth is that the CPM has and continues to do a lot of work but the NDA they have to operate under is tighter than a ducks arse!! It has come to light after the fact several times now, that it's so restrictive that they have in the past been prevented from telling the playbase good news than might placate some of the forum fury!! When the minutes from the meetings they've had haven't been released or CCP doesnt keep the playerbase informed of these meetings at all, then the tin foil hatteray explodes over the forums and the chat channels. This just creates a climate of mistrust and disbelieve in the playerbase which just makes the job of CCP even harder. The thing that makes it all ridiculous as well is that the secrecy is absolutely pointless. We all pretty much know whats on the road map if you follow the dev's on twitter and the far too infrequent blogs so why keep every aspect of an upcoming feature secret? Tell us your thoughts, explain thats is a work in progress and not set in stone and we'll understand. You can keep some things quiet but come on, loosen up a little. And why is it that literally everything that the CPM does has to be communicated by them? Hans' CPM reports have been the ONLY indication of any discussion between them and CCP. Why is he doing the job of CCP in that regard? If the community team just had a locked thread within the Council Chamber, detailing the meetings and discussions they've had with the CPM and the bullet points of those meetings then this would go a long way to keep the playerbase informed. Part of these problems should be lessened now that we have the beginnings of a staffed community team being put in place. LogiBro has done a lot since his joining and with Sabrewing now in place to co-ordinate it all we hopefully see CCP getting better at this. But the fact remains that six months into this, we still haven't got a Charter or White Paper for the CPM. We haven't got a clue as to the election process of the next CPM. We've never had the minutes or breakdown of these meetings and all of that is entirely the fault of CCP. This could've and should've been the minimum we'd expect in place by now. The next CPM should be able to do the job from day one, knowing who to speak to about any aspect of the game and how to go about communicating that to the playerbase in a way that shows that progress is being made. Its clear that a lot of work still needs to be done to enable that and its also clear that the level of secrecy needs to be toned down a hell of a lot. It's a console game after all that CCP is working on, not the computer launching sequence for nukes. Mercenary Clone of Dennie Fleetfoot CEO of DUST University
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 619	Posted - 2013.11.05 21:32:00 - [2] - Quote Whooaaa what the hell happened here? The last time I was on this thread it was going very amicably and bubbling along nicely, like a slow cooked stew. I come back and the toxins of the majority of the forums has seeped in!! Get that out of here now thank you. It would seem to me, that there is a level of distatifaction being flung around here, by people who are ignorant of relevant facts or find them to be inconveniently in the way of justifying an already held view. Part of the problem here, as I mentioned in my previous post, that CCP have placed enormous obstacles in the way of the CPM, preventing them to communicate to the Dust community the same way the CSM can talk to to the Eve Community. The level of secrecy and paranoia being exhibited by CCP regarding the infomation flow is entirely of their own creation and is almost singularly responsible for the toxic nature of the forums that pervade these texts. How are CCP responsible? It's really very simple. They royally F*** up the launch of Dust 514 by releasing a clearly sub par product, unable to achieve even their most modest claims about its features. And they did what most companies or organisations do. Panic for a while, sit down and discuss and action plan even if it means throwing existing plans out of the window. They also clamed up and stopped talking. And left the CPM dangling in the wind and in the middle of the storm. Why? Because they also reverted to what companies tend to do when they get the kind of critical mauling Dust got. They get paranoid and start treating it all like the Crown Jewels. IF the game was in better shape at launch and they were able to carry on with the original plan, which was a 3 month iteration pattern then we wouldn't be having this thread. The CPM was supposed to work as it does in Eve, with a longer time frame between releases they could bring the CPM much sooner into the design process and a less hectic but more productive relationship would naturally form. Instead, what we got was the fast tracking monthly pattern put in place to solve the major problems with the game, which was of course the correct of action now in hindsight. But it meant that the CPM was having to work in conditions that neither they or CCP envisioned. But CCP had already announced and chosen the concept of the CPM and the players who would be in it. They couldn't just pretend they didn't exist. I can perfectly understand why some would think that the CPM have done nothing. They've not been allowed to talk about what they do. CCP haven't helped by the fact we've NEVER had a fully broken down set of minutes for any on the discussions held with the CPM. Never been told the agenda of a meeting after the fact. Never been told as to how the design process works with the CPM. In the absence of facts, people make up their own, which oddly enough fully support and 'prove' themslves correct. Perhaps Nova and the others advocating having no CPM are correct. Perhaps they're not (in my opinion however they are incorrect) but I do know this for certain. If don't get a fully functioning CPM now, with CCP backing them up and allowing them to talk to the community more freely, then this will be the last CPM. No one is going to want to work in those conditions, no one is going to want to deal with accusations of corruption from people who conveniently don't have to prove it in the anonimous world of Internet forums. And no one is going do it if they don't think they'll be able to make a differance to the game. I think CCP Logibro's post earlier should clarlify the situation and calm things down a lot. I really hope they do. Otherwise an opportunity for a sanctioned, elected advocacy group with a proper mandate for whats best for the community is going to pass us by. Mercenary Clone of Dennie Fleetfoot CEO of DUST University**
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 624	Posted - 2013.11.05 23:45:00 - [3] - Quote I'm sorry but I've now read that post of CCP Dolan at the beginning of this thread several time and could you please point me to the part where CCP say its failed, which is your assertion. I'm reading it as not working as hoped and gives a number of reasons as to why that has been case and the remedies that they wish to put into place. As to to the accusation that the CPM don't do anything, I'd like to refute that right belief here. On a couple of occasions now, I have been asked for input on several aspects of upcoming game features by CCP at the behest of the CPM, notably the Academy matches. I've also given my thoughts to CCP and the CPM as to the development of the NPE, some of which actually came in with 1.5. I've only given these examples as they are now in the public domain and in the game. I didn't mention them at the time because even though I'm not bound by the NDA like the CPM are, I know enough to not go blabbing about a feature that might not make it. It would also be somewhat discourteous for me speak about it when I'd been trusted not to. Now I understand that you only have my word for it but I can assure you that the CPM are doing a lot of work and working with the community and CCP on a daily basis. The problem here is one of transparency and the fact that CCP's community staff for dust has been not at full strength till now. But as Dolan said, they have LogiBro and Sabrewing in place now and that should change in the near future. As for the 'majority' calling for it in the forums, they're now so toxic and populated by self interested cliques of players determined to have the game progress only as suiting to their playstyle to the detriment of others, that to claim any kind any form of mandate from them is frankly alarming to me. Only a properly elected and vetted advocacy group such as the CPM can truly be thought of as having a mandate. The fact that the election process has slowed is entirely by their own admission, CCP's fault and they are trying now to get it sorted with the monthly iteration pattern likely to slow after 1.7/8 These are only just my thoughts of course, but I know that I speak for those that agree with me here, when I say that the CPM does work, it just needs CCP to work with them better. Mercenary Clone of Dennie Fleetfoot CEO of DUST University
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 627	Posted - 2013.11.06 09:06:00 - [4] - Quote Thank you for posting Dolan and clarifying a few things. o7 I hope that it brings some clearer understanding of the truth of the situation to those reading this thread. Mercenary Clone of Dennie Fleetfoot CEO of DUST University
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 632	Posted - 2013.11.07 08:15:00 - [5] - Quote Sirpidey Adtur wrote: SponkSponkSponk wrote: I think Dogma is not so much the database, as the object tree and algorithms used to turn a character + fit + environment into actual attribute values. tldr not a database, but a model. First, I think you mean Catma, not dogma. Second, calculating all of the things I believe is the system known as "STIMS" Though I am far from certain. Catma is simply where item stats are stored, simple as that. Edit Upon later inspection, it seems you may be completely correct. In EVE, Dogma is not only the system for holding item values, but also the system for applying those values. I sense that this a little beyond the Sinclair Basic I grew up using on my ZX80, 81 and Spectrum... Mercenary Clone of Dennie Fleetfoot CEO of DUST University
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 632	Posted - 2013.11.07 14:32:00 - [6] - Quote If your reason for going for CPM or the CSM is a free trip to Iceland and a look at stuff early, you shouldnt be anywhere NEAR the job. You'll last about 5 minutes. Mercenary Clone of Dennie Fleetfoot CEO of DUST University
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 642	Posted - 2013.11.08 15:41:00 - [7] - Quote No disrespect intended or pointed to you. o7 I was merely commenting on a popular misconception that's been prevalent about the CSM and now the CPM that all it is just a free trip to Iceland once a year. There's a lot of work involved. Emailing, video conferencing to different time zones, forum watching being on call to speak to Dev's at pretty much the drop of the hat. It takes a special kind of sadomasochism to do it. Particularly when you get abuse from the players you're trying to help. Mercenary Clone of Dennie Fleetfoot CEO of DUST University

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