DUST Search - Nerfed Proto Swarm Launchers are WORSE than current Standard Swarm Launchers.

Borne Velvalor wrote:

pegasis prime wrote:

Borne Velvalor wrote:

Just so people understand the severity of the nerf, after 1.6 proto swarms will deal the same damage as current standard swarms, with a 55% range reduction. Hardened HAVs have around the same TTK as they do now, so the comparison should be accurate, even after vehicle changes.

Find a Falchion and take out your standard swarms. This is how using top tier swarms will feel in the future, but with lower range. You're welcome. Lol

have you even looked at the stats for the vehicle change ??? or just looked at one part of the picture , you will rarely ever see a shield gunlogi with excess of 3000 shields when the changes come into play as we will only have 3 high slots to play with and quite low hp gunlogis will have to use our highs for 1 booster 2 hardener combos or 2 booster 1 hardener combos , yes swarms are getting a nerf but until they release the full set of stats for all the weapon changes all you are doing is crying and bsing

I meant Vayu for the OP. I correct this a third of a page down. Madrugar is the only accurate baseline, though, so I apologize.

Commander Tzu wrote:

Ohhhhh, your tears are delicious. Has anyone bothered to read the post CCP made? They clearly mention that in this new build tanks are supposed to be god mode for the 15-20 seconds all their modules are on, then they are really weak. As far as the range reduction, HTFU, you guys have been invisible for what seems like ever and CCP can't fix the render issue so I guess they decided to force everyone to close quarters to compensate. Oh, by the way, I was the one on the forums trying to get more people (including the QQ'vers) to push CCP to work on the renders instead of going through and changing the way everything works for exactly this reason. Besides, AV is getting nerfed for the first time since...........well I guess since DUST was launched and there have been quite a few changes to tanks that could be considered nerfs, just gotta wait and see how they all fit in the new ss

P.S. Maybe this is good, I have heard from quite a few vehicle users that don't really like the changes and is this QQ post is any indication then the AV people aren't happy either. That is usually the result of a good compromise.

P.P.S. When you are crying about AV and you want to look somewhat intelligent, don't say things like "Just wait until you try the new swarms against a Falchion or Vayu!!!111!!11!!!!eleven!!." Especially not when they have already said they are taking them out of the game in 1.7, along with LLAV's, LDS's, and every other hull that isn't the standard one.

I read the post CCP made. I read both the weapon and vehicle changes. When the vehicle stat changes were announced I wrote multiple essay length posts. Much of the math on how Madrugars would be pretty much the same as they are now with hardeners up was cut out due to the character limit.

Oh boy. A cyclical life and power span so that HAV users will have even more reason to boost around a corner and magically disappear into the air. What fun for both pilot and swarm user!

It's okay that Swarm Launcher range has been reduced, because CCP can't fix draw distance? Not a valid reason. The player doesn't care because of what technical incompetence or insufficiency the change is made. The range nerf doesn't seem too bad, except in combination with the damage nerf, though.


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Commander Tzu L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 25	Posted - 2013.10.28 12:07:00 - [1] - Quote Ohhhhh, your tears are delicious. Has anyone bothered to read the post CCP made? They clearly mention that in this new build tanks are supposed to be god mode for the 15-20 seconds all their modules are on, then they are really weak. As far as the range reduction, HTFU, you guys have been invisible for what seems like ever and CCP can't fix the render issue so I guess they decided to force everyone to close quarters to compensate. Oh, by the way, I was the one on the forums trying to get more people (including the QQ'vers) to push CCP to work on the renders instead of going through and changing the way everything works for exactly this reason. Besides, AV is getting nerfed for the first time since...........well I guess since DUST was launched and there have been quite a few changes to tanks that could be considered nerfs, just gotta wait and see how they all fit in the new ss P.S. Maybe this is good, I have heard from quite a few vehicle users that don't really like the changes and is this QQ post is any indication then the AV people aren't happy either. That is usually the result of a good compromise. P.P.S. When you are crying about AV and you want to look somewhat intelligent, don't say things like "Just wait until you try the new swarms against a Falchion or Vayu!!!111!!11!!!!eleven!!." Especially not when they have already said they are taking them out of the game in 1.7, along with LLAV's, LDS's, and every other hull that isn't the standard one.
Commander Tzu L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 27	Posted - 2013.10.30 02:10:00 - [2] - Quote Borne Velvalor wrote: pegasis prime wrote: Borne Velvalor wrote: Just so people understand the severity of the nerf, after 1.6 proto swarms will deal the same damage as current standard swarms, with a 55% range reduction. Hardened HAVs have around the same TTK as they do now, so the comparison should be accurate, even after vehicle changes. Find a Falchion and take out your standard swarms. This is how using top tier swarms will feel in the future, but with lower range. You're welcome. have you even looked at the stats for the vehicle change ??? or just looked at one part of the picture , you will rarely ever see a shield gunlogi with excess of 3000 shields when the changes come into play as we will only have 3 high slots to play with and quite low hp gunlogis will have to use our highs for 1 booster 2 hardener combos or 2 booster 1 hardener combos , yes swarms are getting a nerf but until they release the full set of stats for all the weapon changes all you are doing is crying and bsing I meant Vayu for the OP. I correct this a third of a page down. Madrugar is the only accurate baseline, though, so I apologize. Commander Tzu wrote: Ohhhhh, your tears are delicious. Has anyone bothered to read the post CCP made? They clearly mention that in this new build tanks are supposed to be god mode for the 15-20 seconds all their modules are on, then they are really weak. As far as the range reduction, HTFU, you guys have been invisible for what seems like ever and CCP can't fix the render issue so I guess they decided to force everyone to close quarters to compensate. Oh, by the way, I was the one on the forums trying to get more people (including the QQ'vers) to push CCP to work on the renders instead of going through and changing the way everything works for exactly this reason. Besides, AV is getting nerfed for the first time since...........well I guess since DUST was launched and there have been quite a few changes to tanks that could be considered nerfs, just gotta wait and see how they all fit in the new ss P.S. Maybe this is good, I have heard from quite a few vehicle users that don't really like the changes and is this QQ post is any indication then the AV people aren't happy either. That is usually the result of a good compromise. P.P.S. When you are crying about AV and you want to look somewhat intelligent, don't say things like "Just wait until you try the new swarms against a Falchion or Vayu!!!111!!11!!!!eleven!!." Especially not when they have already said they are taking them out of the game in 1.7, along with LLAV's, LDS's, and every other hull that isn't the standard one. I read the post CCP made. I read both the weapon and vehicle changes. When the vehicle stat changes were announced I wrote multiple essay length posts. Much of the math on how Madrugars would be pretty much the same as they are now with hardeners up was cut out due to the character limit. Oh boy. A cyclical life and power span so that HAV users will have even more reason to boost around a corner and magically disappear into the air. What fun for both pilot and swarm user! It's okay that Swarm Launcher range has been reduced, because CCP can't fix draw distance? Not a valid reason. The player doesn't care because of what technical incompetence or insufficiency the change is made. The range nerf doesn't seem too bad, except in combination with the damage nerf, though. P.S. I said try the swarms against the current Falchion. I meant Vayu. If HAVs with hardeners do last longer (some others have claimed that after stacking, they live LONGER than current HAVs), then a Vayu -> Madrugar comparison could be more accurate. It slipped my mind at the time that they were being removed, but the Madrugar stays. I know, I know. The whole concept of the OP is negated by using the word "Falchion/Vayu" instead of "Gunnlogi/Madrugar." Madrugars pretty much the same in 1.7 as they are now; maths please? Swarm launcher range being reduced because of a technical issue is actually a pretty valid reason, but I never said it was a good one. As for the player's cares, it really doesn't matter, all games have changes made to them based on technical issues or limitations, unless I totally missed the patch that added 64+ player battles. Though Enforcers have slightly less base HP than regular hulls, they can actually fit to be a little tougher than regular hulls, so I would say it does make a difference, not even taking into account the fact that it implies they spent no time reading the vehicle changes and thus have no idea what they are talking about (Btdubs, they don't).