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Atiim
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Posted - 2013.10.30 13:43:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:Borne Velvalor wrote:Just so people understand the severity of the nerf, after 1.6 proto swarms will deal the same damage as current standard swarms, with a 55% range reduction. Hardened HAVs have around the same TTK as they do now, so the comparison should be accurate, even after vehicle changes. Find a Falchion and take out your standard swarms. This is how using top tier swarms will feel in the future, but with lower range. You're welcome.  Tanks get less health in the future. Also, as I have said before, if I can kill tanks with a Plasma Cannon, your easy mode swarms will do just fine.
Kill a tank while being shot at by the tank and infantry at the same time, then call it easy mode
If you can't solo me w/MLT AV, or if you get shot by infantry, it's your fault
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Atiim
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Posted - 2013.10.30 13:48:00 -
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gbghg wrote:Justin Tymes wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Justin Tymes wrote:CharCharOdell wrote:So stop trying to solo tanks and you'll be okay. Did you know that if you get your whole squad to equip mlt swarms, you can kill any tank possible in two volleys at the most? 1 man in a tank that can kill both vehicles and infantry vs 6 men with AV that is useless against anything but Vehicles. Seems legit. You can use commando suits and PRO sidearms. You can use 3 forge guns up high so they're equally devastating against both infantry and vehicles. Why must pilots always figure things out for infantry? Did you just try to counter the 1 v 6 argument with use lolcommando suits? Sidearms against ARs with a 1-40+ meter optimal? Light and Medium Frames can use Forge Guns now, (completely irrelevant to swarm launchers)? You actually expect people to take you seriously? you know, i use SMG's on my logi suit and provided you actually use your head and close the range the SMG is more than a match for the AR, unless your up against a caldari in which case unless your carrying flux's your screwed.
Your an idiot.
If I am in my AV fitting, wouldn't I have AV grenades? And yeah while you try to get into an SMGs optimal range, I'm gonna be a smart person and buttplugg you with a Duvolle.
You assume that you will always be in CQC with infantry, when you are typically in mid rang. Not all Logi's have sidearms and yeah I want you to put your theory to the test. See how long it takes to get buttpluged before you can get in the SMGs optimal range
If you can't solo me w/MLT AV, or if you get shot by infantry, it's your fault
-Tanker's Logic
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2013.10.30 13:55:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:CharCharOdell wrote:Borne Velvalor wrote:CharCharOdell wrote:
Good. Maybe tanks will be the preferred AV in PC now like they should be.
Only tanks can solo tanks!!!
I'm happy.maybe u try teamwork, now?
So, Rock trumps Paper and Scissors, tieing with itself. Stellar game balance. AV is not scissors to tanks [paper]. It's more like a little poke. Only tanks can solo tanks. It was that way in Chrome and it worked great in CBs. I don't know the problem infantry had with the Chromosome build. It was the best time tanks ever had, because they were their own best counter, but that's not good enough for infantry, so they got nerfed again.
Tanks should never be a better counter to themselves, especially when there is an AV class present
AV is ANTI-VEHICLE, which is and should be a tank's greatest weakness
The fact that you don't realize this and are way to biased to even attempt to use SLs is enough to prove that you have no idea of what you are talking about.
This string of posts alone is enough to prove that my "Tank 514" thread is indeed true. Thank you for proving my point.
If you can't solo me w/MLT AV, or if you get shot by infantry, it's your fault
-Tanker's Logic
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2013.10.30 15:57:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Kallas Hallytyr wrote:My opinion on Swarm Launchers, they should either be:
- Long range and low damage: this would allow them to apply constant nagging pressure to vehicles but it difficult to remove them in a very short period of time. This means that whilst you're doing less damage each volley, you can more likely get the volley in the first place.
- Short range and high damage: this makes getting your shots of more difficult but rewards you for doing so. This allows DS pilots to escape more easily than ground vehicles (since they can hit their AB and away) but makes the Swarms do substantial alpha-damage.
I think having variant Swarm Launchers do one or the other could be a good solution by allowing players to actively choose whether they want to annoy and distract while putting sustained damage on a target or if they want to risk themselves and try to completely destroy their target in short order.
That's my thoughts as a DS pilot anyway. First reasonable thing Ive seen a vehicle pilot say on the matter, for the most part its the same HAV circle jerk crew that spent the past six months crying now going down on each other in joy Anyway I full agree with setting up two variants of the thing that work in the ways you outline You've never tanked a day on Dust, your opinion means nothing.
You've never used PRO AV a day in DUST, so by that logic your opinion wouldn't matter either.
But that logic is faulty because this game is for EVERYONE, NOT JUST TANKERS AND AV.
If you can't solo me w/MLT AV, or if you get shot by infantry, it's your fault
-Tanker's Logic
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2013.10.30 15:58:00 -
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MassiveNine wrote:swarms were OP and now they aren't end of discussion.
Tanks were OP and now they aren't
Logic doesn't suit you does it?
If you can't solo me w/MLT AV, or if you get shot by infantry, it's your fault
-Tanker's Logic
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2013.10.30 17:55:00 -
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Pent'noir wrote:Tank's have had it bad for a long time and now it's their turn to get some joy, although, I don't think it is very much joy. It would be better to try and get new ppl to see the value of investing into a form of av (probably forges). If the tanks dominate with the changes, then i'll be blaming the lack of ppl with sp into av. Av is cheap and it would be nice if I wasn't the only one with a prof 5 into an av weapon and grenadier 5 on my pub match team. It will be our fault that we let them run rampant. Start investing into AV!
AV eventually learns different tactics to avoid or deal with infantry and get better at surviving. That smg is a powerful weapon with high sp.
Although, for the love of all that's good, please make a RDV come and pick up recalls.
You aren't alone.
I'd love to play a game of Taliban tank hunters, but there are still many things that concern me with the AV nerf.
If you can't solo me w/MLT AV, or if you get shot by infantry, it's your fault
-Tanker's Logic
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2013.10.30 23:42:00 -
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This thread is about swarm launchers
If you can't solo me w/MLT AV, or if you get shot by infantry, it's your fault
-Tanker's Logic
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