DUST Search - Technological Level in EvE

Rei Shepard wrote:

Banning Hammer wrote:

Rei Shepard wrote:

Banning Hammer wrote:

Explain something to me, does the Technological level in the EvE Universe is superior or inferior to Real Life earth technology ?

Because in Earth we have develop weapons that are considerably better than those in New Eden.

While the ranges on weapons are quite short, you can get shot multiple times and walk it off, in RL getting shot puts you down regardless of your body armor, dont think about sprinting trough gunfire because you got a vest lol.

Sounds to me like you would feel allot better in a game where 2 bullets graze you and you die, sadly there are none of those around ....ow wait ....

On a serious note:

If the ranges would all mimic reality, it would be a really crappy game, one where Missile Tanks are deployed 500km away from the front, with relayed info from drones and you get killed by precision laser targetting missiles homing in on the power signature of your suit, they then recalculate your origin of your suits power signature due to reactor decayed particles and nuke you at the next clone Vat, if that didnt kill you, a guy sat at a Drone Terminal takes you out with a Drone Operated sniper Rifle, except he isnt firing one, but a multitude of 20 rifles all setup at tactical locations because his brain is enhanced to handle the load of Multitasking 20 guns all at once.

In a REAL Eve universe, i doubt there would be any use for ground troops, so there would be no game at all to play like.

Forge Gun..; Infinite range, one shot kills anything ... shields or not shields. When this AR changes go a head, i think i going to have fun using my militia Force Gun... just take my time from 100 meter away... nothing that poor AR guy can do about it.

Oh wow thats the response you came up with? I mean its not like anyone else cannot pick up the new Rail Rifle with a range of 102m and blow you away before you can say "F*CK RailRifle QQ" i mean its not like i won't have 3m sp sitting around by the time 1.7 hits right ?

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Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1943	Posted - 2013.10.25 09:34:00 - [1] - Quote Explain something to me, does the Technological level in the EvE Universe is superior or inferior to Real Life earth technology ? Because in Earth we have develop weapons that are considerably better than those in New Eden.
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 285	Posted - 2013.10.25 09:37:00 - [2] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: Explain something to me, does the Technological level in the EvE Universe is superior or inferior to Real Life earth technology ? Because in Earth we have develop weapons that are considerably better than those in New Eden. In all honesty aside from the floaty starships, the weaponry is a bit worse than earth standards. It is a game, so they'll be balanced around what makes a game tick, not what makes a battlefield tick.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 4194	Posted - 2013.10.25 09:37:00 - [3] - Quote Are you whining about the ranges again?
Ryder Azorria Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 667	Posted - 2013.10.25 09:45:00 - [4] - Quote We've also developed armour systems that are considerably better than what we have today, not to mention the augmented clones we fight with. There we go, nice lore reasons as to why super advanced weapons seem less effective than modern day ones - ofc the real reason is gameplay > 'science'
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1943	Posted - 2013.10.25 09:46:00 - [5] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: Explain something to me, does the Technological level in the EvE Universe is superior or inferior to Real Life earth technology ? Because in Earth we have develop weapons that are considerably better than those in New Eden. In all honesty aside from the floaty starships, the weaponry is a bit worse than earth standards. It is a game, so they'll be balanced around what makes a game tick, not what makes a battlefield tick. So they can travel great distances through Space, build huge Spacehips and Space Station, with devastating weapons that can bombard a Planet from Orbit.... but they can't build a Rifle that can shoot farther then 70 meters ? I think your Lore is broken.
Denak Kalamari Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 530	Posted - 2013.10.25 09:49:00 - [6] - Quote Well, no civilization is technologically superior in every possible way, those isolated tribes in Africa probably have some weird magic potions that cure cancer or something. And on top of that, if I remember right we were 7000 years ahead of time before the EVE Gate collapsed, which caused a 20 000 year long dark age before we come to the current date, 23351 AD or YC 115. Most of the technology that currently exists in the New Eden universe was mostly reverse engineered or rediscovered from old Terran tech. New Eden has had interstellar technology for about 2000 years now, far less than the 6000+ years of technological development old Terrans had. Some technology was forgotten, some salvaged, some rediscovered by scientists studying feverishly. Again, it's quite hard for a race to be technologically superior in every way. Or then again, the things are the way they are because of balance and actually having an enjoyable game.
Cosgar ParagonX 6463	Posted - 2013.10.25 09:50:00 - [7] - Quote Two QQ topics from the same OP? It's not my birthday yet but I'll take it...
Justicar Karnellia Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 111	Posted - 2013.10.25 09:56:00 - [8] - Quote It's a hard thing to nail down as we definitely don't have earth armour... even the top rated ballistic armour today can only stop 7.62 rounds ... and then you'll still be knocked on your ass with a nice haematoma as a souvenir. The one thing that consistently breaks the immersion for me is IRON SIGHTS. Dear lord please just give them reflex or holographic sights. I can buy one of these for the equivalent of 50 USD today... I think thousands of years in the future they figured out how to integrate them into weapons. The one I like the most is the SMG sight, as it's not visible on the gun until you aim down the sights and it pops-up and has a nice LED overlay.
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic Top Men. 227	Posted - 2013.10.25 09:57:00 - [9] - Quote Really best not to think about it because it is really tough to compare it to reality. The illusion falls apart because it is a game. But if it makes you feel better you can just add zeros to everything. Instead of AR range of 50m think of it as 500m or even 5000m. Instead of moving at 10m per sec think of it as 100m. Maps are now OMFG huge, with some absolutely gigantic buildings. Now we are technologically better.
Ignoble Son 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 357	Posted - 2013.10.25 10:09:00 - [10] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: Technologic... That was as far as I got. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozitqabi6UM&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Rei Shepard Spectre II 742	Posted - 2013.10.25 10:17:00 - [11] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: Explain something to me, does the Technological level in the EvE Universe is superior or inferior to Real Life earth technology ? Because in Earth we have develop weapons that are considerably better than those in New Eden. While the ranges on weapons are quite short, you can get shot multiple times and walk it off, in RL getting shot puts you down regardless of your body armor, dont think about sprinting trough gunfire because you got a vest lol. Sounds to me like you would feel allot better in a game where 2 bullets graze you and you die, sadly there are none of those around ....ow wait .... On a serious note: If the ranges would all mimic reality, it would be a really crappy game, one where Missile Tanks are deployed 500km away from the front, with relayed info from drones and you get killed by precision laser targetting missiles homing in on the power signature of your suit, they then recalculate your origin of your suits power signature due to reactor decayed particles and nuke you at the next clone Vat, if that didnt kill you, a guy sat at a Drone Terminal takes you out with a Drone Operated sniper Rifle, except he isnt firing one, but a multitude of 20 rifles all setup at tactical locations because his brain is enhanced to handle the load of Multitasking 20 guns all at once. In a REAL Eve universe, i doubt there would be any use for ground troops, so there would be no game at all to play like.
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1943	Posted - 2013.10.25 10:26:00 - [12] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: Explain something to me, does the Technological level in the EvE Universe is superior or inferior to Real Life earth technology ? Because in Earth we have develop weapons that are considerably better than those in New Eden. While the ranges on weapons are quite short, you can get shot multiple times and walk it off, in RL getting shot puts you down regardless of your body armor, dont think about sprinting trough gunfire because you got a vest lol. Sounds to me like you would feel allot better in a game where 2 bullets graze you and you die, sadly there are none of those around ....ow wait .... On a serious note: If the ranges would all mimic reality, it would be a really crappy game, one where Missile Tanks are deployed 500km away from the front, with relayed info from drones and you get killed by precision laser targetting missiles homing in on the power signature of your suit, they then recalculate your origin of your suits power signature due to reactor decayed particles and nuke you at the next clone Vat, if that didnt kill you, a guy sat at a Drone Terminal takes you out with a Drone Operated sniper Rifle, except he isnt firing one, but a multitude of 20 rifles all setup at tactical locations because his brain is enhanced to handle the load of Multitasking 20 guns all at once. In a REAL Eve universe, i doubt there would be any use for ground troops, so there would be no game at all to play like. Forge Gun..; Infinite range, one shot kills anything ... shields or not shields. When this AR changes go a head, i think i going to have fun using my militia Force Gun... just take my time from 100 meter away... nothing that poor AR guy can do about it.
Robert JD Niewiadomski NULLIMPEX INC 641	Posted - 2013.10.25 10:28:00 - [13] - Quote Compare any game resemblance to "real life" with game of chess: The pieces are named after real life concepts but they don't behave like them. They move differently and are dealing a way too little DPS. The rules are quite limited compared with RL. Do anybody complains about chess not being in accordance with RL? It's just an interpolation of RL. You have to use your imagination twice. Two predict and to immerse yourself. Same with DUST or EVE. Just my humble 0.02ISK
Rei Shepard Spectre II 743	Posted - 2013.10.25 10:31:00 - [14] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: Explain something to me, does the Technological level in the EvE Universe is superior or inferior to Real Life earth technology ? Because in Earth we have develop weapons that are considerably better than those in New Eden. While the ranges on weapons are quite short, you can get shot multiple times and walk it off, in RL getting shot puts you down regardless of your body armor, dont think about sprinting trough gunfire because you got a vest lol. Sounds to me like you would feel allot better in a game where 2 bullets graze you and you die, sadly there are none of those around ....ow wait .... On a serious note: If the ranges would all mimic reality, it would be a really crappy game, one where Missile Tanks are deployed 500km away from the front, with relayed info from drones and you get killed by precision laser targetting missiles homing in on the power signature of your suit, they then recalculate your origin of your suits power signature due to reactor decayed particles and nuke you at the next clone Vat, if that didnt kill you, a guy sat at a Drone Terminal takes you out with a Drone Operated sniper Rifle, except he isnt firing one, but a multitude of 20 rifles all setup at tactical locations because his brain is enhanced to handle the load of Multitasking 20 guns all at once. In a REAL Eve universe, i doubt there would be any use for ground troops, so there would be no game at all to play like. Forge Gun..; Infinite range, one shot kills anything ... shields or not shields. When this AR changes go a head, i think i going to have fun using my militia Force Gun... just take my time from 100 meter away... nothing that poor AR guy can do about it. Oh wow thats the response you came up with? I mean its not like anyone else cannot pick up the new Rail Rifle with a range of 102m and blow you away before you can say "F*CK RailRifle QQ" i mean its not like i won't have 3m sp sitting around by the time 1.7 hits right ?
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1177	Posted - 2013.10.25 10:35:00 - [15] - Quote Once again I think you should take a look at the range changes. AR optimal and effective ranges are increased, not decreased.
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1943	Posted - 2013.10.25 10:39:00 - [16] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: Explain something to me, does the Technological level in the EvE Universe is superior or inferior to Real Life earth technology ? Because in Earth we have develop weapons that are considerably better than those in New Eden. While the ranges on weapons are quite short, you can get shot multiple times and walk it off, in RL getting shot puts you down regardless of your body armor, dont think about sprinting trough gunfire because you got a vest lol. Sounds to me like you would feel allot better in a game where 2 bullets graze you and you die, sadly there are none of those around ....ow wait .... On a serious note: If the ranges would all mimic reality, it would be a really crappy game, one where Missile Tanks are deployed 500km away from the front, with relayed info from drones and you get killed by precision laser targetting missiles homing in on the power signature of your suit, they then recalculate your origin of your suits power signature due to reactor decayed particles and nuke you at the next clone Vat, if that didnt kill you, a guy sat at a Drone Terminal takes you out with a Drone Operated sniper Rifle, except he isnt firing one, but a multitude of 20 rifles all setup at tactical locations because his brain is enhanced to handle the load of Multitasking 20 guns all at once. In a REAL Eve universe, i doubt there would be any use for ground troops, so there would be no game at all to play like. Forge Gun..; Infinite range, one shot kills anything ... shields or not shields. When this AR changes go a head, i think i going to have fun using my militia Force Gun... just take my time from 100 meter away... nothing that poor AR guy can do about it. Oh wow thats the response you came up with? I mean its not like anyone else cannot pick up the new Rail Rifle with a range of 102m and blow you away before you can say "F*CK RailRifle QQ" i mean its not like i won't have 3m sp sitting around by the time 1.7 hits right ? Plasma Cannons, SCR rife and Mass Drivers are going to destroy AR users at medium range, Snipers and Forge Guns at long range, and in CQC shotguns and SMG's are going to be supreme. This is one of the biggest most devastating nerf to the AR... you may just remove them from the game, will been easier.
Moonrocks Stars Protect Systems Incorporation 3	Posted - 2013.10.25 11:39:00 - [17] - Quote no sense question , Dustmen are the only trooper of Eve's universe Dust Technologie like shield /armor ( gun /missile /) and type of dmg are same no Eve pilote use drop suite because they are a clone nake in Capsule with liquid Dont forget Eve and Dust are Syfy game not a real life but with some real physics mechanism
Kristoff Atruin Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1279	Posted - 2013.10.25 12:38:00 - [18] - Quote When the wormhole collapsed every race aside from the Jovians fell into a technological dark age and were essentially reduced to banging rocks together. Scientific principles have essentially been lost. When they create things now, they pretty much do it by scavenging some piece of existing technology and figure out a way to mash it together with some other artifact. It's all very cargo cult-ish. Hardly anyone actually understands how our tech really works.
Robert JD Niewiadomski NULLIMPEX INC 643	Posted - 2013.10.25 12:50:00 - [19] - Quote Kristoff Atruin wrote: When the wormhole collapsed every race aside from the Jovians fell into a technological dark age and were essentially reduced to banging rocks together. Scientific principles have essentially been lost. When they create things now, they pretty much do it by scavenging some piece of existing technology and figure out a way to mash it together with some other artifact. It's all very cargo cult-ish. Hardly anyone actually understands how our tech really works. I think you've gone too far far far away with your view of state of the science and technology in New Eden... We learn science skills eating books by truck loads... How is it cargo cult bro? We even attend Universities...
Kristoff Atruin Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1279	Posted - 2013.10.25 12:53:00 - [20] - Quote Read some of the lore about how "invention" works. New Eden's concept of science and invention is far below our current understanding. It's CCP's explanation for why new variations of existing ships and modules are so rare. The scientists are repeating the steps without understanding the process that led to the original creation of what they're working on.

Krom Ganesh Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 448	Posted - 2013.10.25 12:54:00 - [21] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: Explain something to me, does the Technological level in the EvE Universe is superior or inferior to Real Life earth technology ? Because in Earth we have develop weapons that are considerably better than those in New Eden. In all honesty aside from the floaty starships, the weaponry is a bit worse than earth standards. It is a game, so they'll be balanced around what makes a game tick, not what makes a battlefield tick. So they can travel great distances through Space, build huge Spacehips and Space Station, with devastating weapons that can bombard a Planet from Orbit.... but they can't build a Rifle that can shoot farther then 70 meters ? I think your Lore is broken. Fine. Let's change combat so it is more fitting with EVE's level of technology. The only ground troops would be for special operations and general peace keeping. There would be no mercenaries since the four empires would do everything in their power to control the cloning facilities and hunt down anyone who uses an illegal facility. There would be space ships with weapons that would be accurate enough to put a dime sized hole in your forehead from hundreds of thousands of miles away. Lasers would be the only thing anyone uses since lasers travel at the speed of light (duh) and space combat would take place at ranges that other weapons would be pitifully easy to dodge.
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1745	Posted - 2013.10.25 12:57:00 - [22] - Quote The question could be an interesting one. I would wonder, when you get to the point of doing space travel, having the need for a kind of infantry combat, especially a standing army to drop on the ground and fight could be a very limited requirement. If there are so may planets available for colonization, I would think that the operating principle for a long while would just be to expand to other planets. The way things evolved in New Eden, I would think that MOST planets would have a singular government which would eliminate the need for international wars on planets. Most military science would probably be invested in space research as it would pay off much better. Also, space dominance/blockading would be able to take care of most on-the-ground kinds of problems. If you wanted to eliminate the danger of a planet, you'd just cut off it's access in/through space. If it were the people on it giving you problems, depending on your domestic government, you'd figure out a way to take care of the problem without the need for an invasion.


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