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Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
1943
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Posted - 2013.10.25 08:59:00 -
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Swarm Launchers are already useless, and you nerfing them again to a locking range of 175 m with 100 dps less ? and then reducing the AR range to 40 m Optimal range ? A FN P90 have an optimal range of 300 meters.
A ******* Pistol have an optimal range of 50 METERS ....
After you apply this changes you may also shut down the servers.... because only HAV drivers and Snipers are going to play this game. |
Kal Kronos
L.O.T.I.S.
Public Disorder.
88
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Posted - 2013.10.25 09:01:00 -
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Lol, I like this guy he's mad. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
6675
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Posted - 2013.10.25 09:02:00 -
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Are you aware of the upcoming vehicle rebalance? tanks are going to lose a bunch of high and low slots. When thinking of the AV changes, keep it in context with the upcoming vehicle changes. |
Bendtner92
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
1177
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Posted - 2013.10.25 09:03:00 -
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The Swarm nerfs are massive and unneeded tbh.
But you should probably look at the AR ranges again, because they've actually been increased slightly with these changes, not decreased. |
Jack McReady
DUST University
Ivy League
743
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Posted - 2013.10.25 09:06:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Are you aware of the upcoming vehicle rebalance? tanks are going to lose a bunch of high and low slots. When thinking of the AV changes, keep it in context with the upcoming vehicle changes.
in exchange for more ehp due to resistances 
have fun shooting swarms for a half a minute at a tank just to see him move out of range. |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
1943
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Posted - 2013.10.25 09:06:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Are you aware of the upcoming vehicle rebalance? tanks are going to lose a bunch of high and low slots. When thinking of the AV changes, keep it in context with the upcoming vehicle changes.
I'm keeping that in context... that is why i'm mad.... Small little nerf to tanks.. with a HUGE nerf to AV weapons. |
Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S.
Public Disorder.
572
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Posted - 2013.10.25 09:08:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:Swarm Launchers are already useless, and you nerfing them again to a locking range of 175 m with 100 dps less ? and then reducing the AR range to 40 m Optimal range ? A FN P90 have an optimal range of 300 meters.
A ******* Pistol have an optimal range of 50 METERS ....
After you apply this changes you may also shut down the servers.... because only HAV drivers and Snipers are going to play this game.
Umadbro? The changes don't look too bad tbqh. I'm worried about a few things, but we haven't even seen how everything will work on the field, so I am holding my judgement for now. You should too. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
9662
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Posted - 2013.10.25 09:09:00 -
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Lol swarm launchers useless? I bet you most of who do use swarms on a normal AV engagement ranges will not notice the change in long range.
Anti facility guys might. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
6463
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Posted - 2013.10.25 09:10:00 -
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Good |
Galvan Nized
Deep Space Republic
Top Men.
225
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Posted - 2013.10.25 09:12:00 -
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Yes the swarm changes definitely seem sweeping but we really don't have all the details with tank rebalance so I'll reserve judgement.
Not seeing any issues with the AR.
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Jack McReady
DUST University
Ivy League
743
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Posted - 2013.10.25 09:15:00 -
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Galvan Nized wrote:Yes the swarm changes definitely seem sweeping but we really don't have all the details with tank rebalance so I'll reserve judgement.
Not seeing any issues with the AR.
this guy did the exact math with the announced changes. and that is assuming the tank driver is **** and does not bother to move out of range or behind an obstacle
Heinz Doofenshertz wrote:Just gonna pop in here with some comparavtive stats for the weapon changes vs the proposed madruger stats. Mads are assumed fit with armor hardner and one each of the 60 and 120 complex plates Noskills: Current Swarm Unfit Mad: 11.24 seconds 3.51 shots used New Swarm Unfit Mad: 16.87 seconds 5.27 shots used Current Swarm Fit Mad: 21.7 seconds and 6.78 shots used New Swarms Fit Mad: 32.58 seconds 10.18 shots used Full skiils and weapon dmg mods: Current Swarm Unfit Mad: 4.11 seconds 2.41 shots New Swarms Unfit Mad: 11.6 seconds and 3.62 shots Current Swarms Fit Mad: 14.9 seconds 4.6 shots New Swarms Fit Mad: 22.4 seconds 7 shots if you wish to check for yourself try here www.dust514stats.com/compare.cfm it's a work in progress but it works. |
Bendtner92
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
1177
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Posted - 2013.10.25 09:15:00 -
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Standard AR:
Before: 38 optimal, 65 effective (+- 1m).
After: 40 optimal, 65 effective.
Advanced AR:
Before: 40 optimal, 68 effective (+- 1m).
After: 44 optimal, 72 effective.
Prototype AR:
Before: 42 optimal, 71 effective (+- 1m).
After: 48 optimal, 78 effective. |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
1943
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Posted - 2013.10.25 09:17:00 -
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Galvan Nized wrote:Yes the swarm changes definitely seem sweeping but we really don't have all the details with tank rebalance so I'll reserve judgement.
Not seeing any issues with the AR.
You don't see issues with the AR ? When this changes go a head... i can stop 150 meter from an AR user with my Sniper Rifle, and have plenty of time to carefully aim at the head ...the other guy will have to try to run 110 meter in my direction to kill me.
Sniper superiority coming soon in Dust 514. |
Kal Kronos
L.O.T.I.S.
Public Disorder.
88
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Posted - 2013.10.25 09:17:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:Standard AR:
Before: 38 optimal, 65 effective (+- 1m).
After: 40 optimal, 65 effective.
Advanced AR:
Before: 40 optimal, 68 effective (+- 1m).
After: 44 optimal, 72 effective.
Prototype AR:
Before: 42 optimal, 71 effective (+- 1m).
After: 48 optimal, 78 effective.
They buffed the AR? Who would have guessed lmfao. |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
1943
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Posted - 2013.10.25 09:19:00 -
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Kal Kronos wrote:Bendtner92 wrote:Standard AR:
Before: 38 optimal, 65 effective (+- 1m).
After: 40 optimal, 65 effective.
Advanced AR:
Before: 40 optimal, 68 effective (+- 1m).
After: 44 optimal, 72 effective.
Prototype AR:
Before: 42 optimal, 71 effective (+- 1m).
After: 48 optimal, 78 effective. They buffed the AR? Who would have guessed lmfao.
They lowering the Optimal range ... |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S.
Public Disorder.
3758
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Posted - 2013.10.25 09:19:00 -
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maybe the range reduction is a little too much, but seriously you guys have a huge RoF, anyway any swarm operator worth his salt knows you never engage at more than 250m's anyway, its too easy for vehicles to get away. what these changes will do is make swarms (a light av weapon) an ambush/close range av weapon that is most efficient with multiple operators while forge guns will probably end up as the long range sniping av weapon.
in other words, lets see how things play out before we cry nerf. |
Bendtner92
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
1177
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Posted - 2013.10.25 09:20:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:They lowering the Optimal range ...
Read again. Both optimal and effective ranges are increased. |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
1943
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Posted - 2013.10.25 09:22:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:They lowering the Optimal range ... Read again. Both optimal and effective ranges are increased.
WTF you talking about ? .... are you guys in drugs ? |
Vyzion Eyri
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
1559
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Posted - 2013.10.25 09:23:00 -
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Don't forget turret ammunition. Tanks will eventually have to retreat even if you aren't swarming them. Camp supply depots for the tanks. |
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CCP Frame
C C P
C C P Alliance
1557
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Posted - 2013.10.25 09:23:00 -
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Rant thread locked.
Please post your constructive feedback in this thread.
Thank you.
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