DUST Search - So close to deleting DUST

Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

Knight Soiaire wrote:

Get an ADV Caldari down to a tiny bit of Armour, with a Shotgun shot into his back. Turns around instantly, and I'd say he kills me in under .5 of a second with a Gek.

Time to kill on Scouts is absurd, even with Basic weapons.

- 3 MD Rounds (Any Meta) (Even worse for the ridiculous, Assault MDs, 3-4 Rounds, but with a 8.8m(?) Blast Radius, I dont think MDs are OP, but that particular MD, yes)

- 1 Nade (Any Meta)

- SMGs, and HMGs can take you down in falf a second in CQC.

- ARs can take you down pretty much everywhere, unless you're up in a hill sniping.

- ASCR burn through my Minnie Scout, ridiculously quick.

If Scouts dont get buffed in the next update, or the one after that, I'll delete DUST for good (And yes, I might raffle off my ISK and stuff, if its possible by then)

A simple 'Hi' would be nice devs, to make it look like you're not just ingoring Scouts, its been a while since I've seen a Scout thread get a tag, would be nice to get one for once.

What role are Scouts supposed to play right now?

A distraction?

/End Rant.

I scout with Aero for fun. We sneak into the back field and play havoc with hacking turrets, CRU, and Objectives, then bugger off screaming "NOT OUR WAR, NOT OUR WAR".

That's how I imagine scouts should be used, but I am not a dedicated one yet, not until the Amarr scout is released.

Ahh amarr scouts can't wait always want to cross train into scouts but I feel it would be a waste because I really want Amarr scout.

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Knight Soiaire P.O.I.N.T.L.E.S.S A.C.R.O.N.Y.M 2725	Posted - 2013.10.24 21:06:00 - [1] - Quote Get an ADV Caldari down to a tiny bit of Armour, with a Shotgun shot into his back. Turns around instantly, and I'd say he kills me in under .5 of a second with a Gek. Time to kill on Scouts is absurd, even with Basic weapons. - 3 MD Rounds (Any Meta) (Even worse for the ridiculous, Assault MDs, 3-4 Rounds, but with a 8.8m(?) Blast Radius, I dont think MDs are OP, but that particular MD, yes) - 1 Nade (Any Meta) - SMGs, and HMGs can take you down in falf a second in CQC. - ARs can take you down pretty much everywhere, unless you're up in a hill sniping. - ASCR burn through my Minnie Scout, ridiculously quick. If Scouts dont get buffed in the next update, or the one after that, I'll delete DUST for good (And yes, I might raffle off my ISK and stuff, if its possible by then) A simple 'Hi' would be nice devs, to make it look like you're not just ingoring Scouts, its been a while since I've seen a Scout thread get a tag, would be nice to get one for once. What role are Scouts supposed to play right now? A distraction? /End Rant.
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 545	Posted - 2013.10.24 21:10:00 - [2] - Quote hold in there brother, we scouts all feel this pain. Logibro has stated here and on IRC that scouts are in the works. Hopefully soon and not Soon.tm
Buddha Brown Factory Fresh 406	Posted - 2013.10.24 21:11:00 - [3] - Quote isk plz
Kira Lannister Ancient Exiles 1601	Posted - 2013.10.24 21:11:00 - [4] - Quote IF you are deleting dust, can I have your isk? :3
Powerh8er Norwegian Dust514 Corporation Top Men. 189	Posted - 2013.10.24 21:11:00 - [5] - Quote Scouts are supposed to be scouts. Fast moving recon units with a low life expectancy.
Minako Nakajima The Surrogates Of War 20	Posted - 2013.10.24 21:48:00 - [6] - Quote Scout +Lightweight +Fast +Stealthy? -Less armor let's see what happens in the upcoming patches... At least, CCP is aware.
Protocake JR Ancient Exiles 818	Posted - 2013.10.24 21:52:00 - [7] - Quote I'm currently downloading the Dark Souls II Network Test!!!! #omgomgomgomg
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 369	Posted - 2013.10.24 21:53:00 - [8] - Quote So your complaint is you want to be faster than everybody able to jump around and bunny hop mass driver rounds and you expect to be able to tank rounds too? You sir are a greedy bastard and I feel no sympathy for your loss of that clone.
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Cult of War 643	Posted - 2013.10.24 21:55:00 - [9] - Quote You know there are 10 other dropsuit you can try out, until scout are fixed.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3591	Posted - 2013.10.24 21:55:00 - [10] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: Get an ADV Caldari down to a tiny bit of Armour, with a Shotgun shot into his back. Turns around instantly, and I'd say he kills me in under .5 of a second with a Gek. Time to kill on Scouts is absurd, even with Basic weapons. - 3 MD Rounds (Any Meta) (Even worse for the ridiculous, Assault MDs, 3-4 Rounds, but with a 8.8m(?) Blast Radius, I dont think MDs are OP, but that particular MD, yes) - 1 Nade (Any Meta) - SMGs, and HMGs can take you down in falf a second in CQC. - ARs can take you down pretty much everywhere, unless you're up in a hill sniping. - ASCR burn through my Minnie Scout, ridiculously quick. If Scouts dont get buffed in the next update, or the one after that, I'll delete DUST for good (And yes, I might raffle off my ISK and stuff, if its possible by then) A simple 'Hi' would be nice devs, to make it look like you're not just ingoring Scouts, its been a while since I've seen a Scout thread get a tag, would be nice to get one for once. What role are Scouts supposed to play right now? A distraction? /End Rant. I scout with Aero for fun. We sneak into the back field and play havoc with hacking turrets, CRU, and Objectives, then bugger off screaming "NOT OUR WAR, NOT OUR WAR". That's how I imagine scouts should be used, but I am not a dedicated one yet, not until the Amarr scout is released.

Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Cult of War 644	Posted - 2013.10.24 21:59:00 - [11] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: Get an ADV Caldari down to a tiny bit of Armour, with a Shotgun shot into his back. Turns around instantly, and I'd say he kills me in under .5 of a second with a Gek. Time to kill on Scouts is absurd, even with Basic weapons. - 3 MD Rounds (Any Meta) (Even worse for the ridiculous, Assault MDs, 3-4 Rounds, but with a 8.8m(?) Blast Radius, I dont think MDs are OP, but that particular MD, yes) - 1 Nade (Any Meta) - SMGs, and HMGs can take you down in falf a second in CQC. - ARs can take you down pretty much everywhere, unless you're up in a hill sniping. - ASCR burn through my Minnie Scout, ridiculously quick. If Scouts dont get buffed in the next update, or the one after that, I'll delete DUST for good (And yes, I might raffle off my ISK and stuff, if its possible by then) A simple 'Hi' would be nice devs, to make it look like you're not just ingoring Scouts, its been a while since I've seen a Scout thread get a tag, would be nice to get one for once. What role are Scouts supposed to play right now? A distraction? /End Rant. I scout with Aero for fun. We sneak into the back field and play havoc with hacking turrets, CRU, and Objectives, then bugger off screaming "NOT OUR WAR, NOT OUR WAR". That's how I imagine scouts should be used, but I am not a dedicated one yet, not until the Amarr scout is released. Ahh amarr scouts can't wait always want to cross train into scouts but I feel it would be a waste because I really want Amarr scout.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 955	Posted - 2013.10.24 22:02:00 - [12] - Quote Protocake JR wrote: I'm currently downloading the Dark Souls II Network Test!!!! #omgomgomgomg Take your stupid ******* hashtags and tweet on twitter instead of cluttering up these fine forums with your tripe. At least then people would care since they actually be following you rather than just being forced to read it
BARDAS DUST University Ivy League 727	Posted - 2013.10.24 22:02:00 - [13] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: If Scouts dont get buffed in the next update, or the one after that, I'll delete DUST for good This is pretty much what I decided as well after some internal debate. I feel your rage. I find myself logging in less and less too. Today during my lunch break was my first time in a week I think playing the game.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3591	Posted - 2013.10.24 22:06:00 - [14] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Protocake JR wrote: I'm currently downloading the Dark Souls II Network Test!!!! #omgomgomgomg Take your stupid ******* hashtags and tweet on twitter instead of cluttering up these fine forums with your tripe. At least then people would care since they actually be following you rather than just being forced to read it PROTOCAKE HOW DID YOU GET THAT I WANT IT NOW I WANT IT NOW. DARKSOULS>DUST514
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3591	Posted - 2013.10.24 22:06:00 - [15] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: True Adamance wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: Get an ADV Caldari down to a tiny bit of Armour, with a Shotgun shot into his back. Turns around instantly, and I'd say he kills me in under .5 of a second with a Gek. Time to kill on Scouts is absurd, even with Basic weapons. - 3 MD Rounds (Any Meta) (Even worse for the ridiculous, Assault MDs, 3-4 Rounds, but with a 8.8m(?) Blast Radius, I dont think MDs are OP, but that particular MD, yes) - 1 Nade (Any Meta) - SMGs, and HMGs can take you down in falf a second in CQC. - ARs can take you down pretty much everywhere, unless you're up in a hill sniping. - ASCR burn through my Minnie Scout, ridiculously quick. If Scouts dont get buffed in the next update, or the one after that, I'll delete DUST for good (And yes, I might raffle off my ISK and stuff, if its possible by then) A simple 'Hi' would be nice devs, to make it look like you're not just ingoring Scouts, its been a while since I've seen a Scout thread get a tag, would be nice to get one for once. What role are Scouts supposed to play right now? A distraction? /End Rant. I scout with Aero for fun. We sneak into the back field and play havoc with hacking turrets, CRU, and Objectives, then bugger off screaming "NOT OUR WAR, NOT OUR WAR". That's how I imagine scouts should be used, but I am not a dedicated one yet, not until the Amarr scout is released. Ahh amarr scouts can't wait always want to cross train into scouts but I feel it would be a waste because I really want Amarr scout. I got the Gallente Basic, somehow we were winning matches with 6x Scouts dashing around.
Everything Dies Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 176	Posted - 2013.10.24 22:08:00 - [16] - Quote Powerh8er wrote: Fast moving recon units with a low life expectancy. The fact that my advanced Gallente scout can only run about .6 meters per second faster than my advanced Gallente medium build defeats the first part of your statement. As for the second part...just because we can't go toe-to-toe with a medium/heavy suit doesn't mean we should be OHK'd quite so easily.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 955	Posted - 2013.10.24 22:08:00 - [17] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Protocake JR wrote: I'm currently downloading the Dark Souls II Network Test!!!! #omgomgomgomg Take your stupid ******* hashtags and tweet on twitter instead of cluttering up these fine forums with your tripe. At least then people would care since they actually be following you rather than just being forced to read it PROTOCAKE HOW DID YOU GET THAT I WANT IT NOW I WANT IT NOW. DARKSOULS>DUST514 Might I suggest that you go follow him on twitter? If you want to discuss Dark Souls why not go to the Dark Souls forums?
Patrick57 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 890	Posted - 2013.10.24 22:16:00 - [18] - Quote Scouts are IMO the most fun role in Dust.
Foo Fighting the unholy legion of darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY 16	Posted - 2013.10.24 22:18:00 - [19] - Quote Remember to defrag once you're done.
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 802	Posted - 2013.10.24 22:22:00 - [20] - Quote I remember you and your viziam back in chromosome shudder. Those were the good times, shotguns were good, heavies were good, lasers were good, tanks were good... This list could go on for ever

8213 Grade No.2 501	Posted - 2013.10.24 22:23:00 - [21] - Quote Honestly, just delete it. You'll miss it for 24 hours, then it passes. Maybe next year CCP will have a good game on their hands... of course DUST will be a hiccup in the world of FPS gaming by then
ThePrinceOfNigeria Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 152	Posted - 2013.10.24 22:31:00 - [22] - Quote 8213 wrote: Honestly, just delete it. You'll miss it for 24 hours, then it passes. Maybe next year CCP will have a good game on their hands... of course DUST will be a hiccup in the world of FPS gaming by then Next year Dust will be dead and people will have either moved back to EVE or onto World of Darkness... which I must admit I don't have much hope for at this point if is going to be released in a state like this game.
Knight Soiaire P.O.I.N.T.L.E.S.S A.C.R.O.N.Y.M 2726	Posted - 2013.10.24 22:35:00 - [23] - Quote Protocake JR wrote: I'm currently downloading the Dark Souls II Network Test!!!! #omgomgomgomg Furk you! Damn fools never said it was US only.....
Yelhsa Jin-Mao Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 62	Posted - 2013.10.24 22:37:00 - [24] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: Get an ADV Caldari down to a tiny bit of Armour, with a Shotgun shot into his back. Turns around instantly, and I'd say he kills me in under .5 of a second with a Gek. Time to kill on Scouts is absurd, even with Basic weapons. - 3 MD Rounds (Any Meta) (Even worse for the ridiculous, Assault MDs, 3-4 Rounds, but with a 8.8m(?) Blast Radius, I dont think MDs are OP, but that particular MD, yes) - 1 Nade (Any Meta) - SMGs, and HMGs can take you down in falf a second in CQC. - ARs can take you down pretty much everywhere, unless you're up in a hill sniping. - ASCR burn through my Minnie Scout, ridiculously quick. If Scouts dont get buffed in the next update, or the one after that, I'll delete DUST for good (And yes, I might raffle off my ISK and stuff, if its possible by then) A simple 'Hi' would be nice devs, to make it look like you're not just ingoring Scouts, its been a while since I've seen a Scout thread get a tag, would be nice to get one for once. What role are Scouts supposed to play right now? A distraction? /End Rant. I'd be eternally grateful to inherit your wealth should you depart from the DUST514 community in an abrupt and untimely fashion. You will be dearly missed.
Knight Soiaire P.O.I.N.T.L.E.S.S A.C.R.O.N.Y.M 2726	Posted - 2013.10.24 22:37:00 - [25] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: So your complaint is you want to be faster than everybody able to jump around and bunny hop mass driver rounds and you expect to be able to tank rounds too? You sir are a greedy bastard and I feel no sympathy for your loss of that clone. No, I want to be able to kill them before they have a chance to shoot. But equalized turn speeds ruined almost every chance of that.
Knight Soiaire P.O.I.N.T.L.E.S.S A.C.R.O.N.Y.M 2726	Posted - 2013.10.24 22:39:00 - [26] - Quote Kira Lannister wrote: IF you are deleting dust, can I have your isk? :3 It'd be a raffle. Or I'd donate it to the 'Adopt A Scout' charity.
Knight Soiaire P.O.I.N.T.L.E.S.S A.C.R.O.N.Y.M 2726	Posted - 2013.10.24 22:41:00 - [27] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: So your complaint is you want to be faster than everybody able to jump around and bunny hop mass driver rounds and you expect to be able to tank rounds too? You sir are a greedy bastard and I feel no sympathy for your loss of that clone. Oh. And the underlined bit is what I want. Of course I should be faster than everyone else. Of course I should be able to jump more before losing stamina. After all, I am a Light Suit, but the TTK is ridiculous for an already broken class. Which is why CCP should hotfix a Speed / Stamina / Scan Radius buff.
Knight Soiaire P.O.I.N.T.L.E.S.S A.C.R.O.N.Y.M 2726	Posted - 2013.10.24 22:52:00 - [28] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: Get an ADV Caldari down to a tiny bit of Armour, with a Shotgun shot into his back. Turns around instantly, and I'd say he kills me in under .5 of a second with a Gek. Time to kill on Scouts is absurd, even with Basic weapons. - 3 MD Rounds (Any Meta) (Even worse for the ridiculous, Assault MDs, 3-4 Rounds, but with a 8.8m(?) Blast Radius, I dont think MDs are OP, but that particular MD, yes) - 1 Nade (Any Meta) - SMGs, and HMGs can take you down in falf a second in CQC. - ARs can take you down pretty much everywhere, unless you're up in a hill sniping. - ASCR burn through my Minnie Scout, ridiculously quick. If Scouts dont get buffed in the next update, or the one after that, I'll delete DUST for good (And yes, I might raffle off my ISK and stuff, if its possible by then) A simple 'Hi' would be nice devs, to make it look like you're not just ingoring Scouts, its been a while since I've seen a Scout thread get a tag, would be nice to get one for once. What role are Scouts supposed to play right now? A distraction? /End Rant. I scout with Aero for fun. We sneak into the back field and play havoc with hacking turrets, CRU, and Objectives, then bugger off screaming "NOT OUR WAR, NOT OUR WAR". That's how I imagine scouts should be used, but I am not a dedicated one yet, not until the Amarr scout is released. Scouts have no real role until EWAR, only available to Scouts, is released (Oh, and of course, until we get 2 Eq Slots) If Meds have access to EWAR, its a huge fail on CCP's part. RE + Active Scanner, imagine the defensive capabilities!
Oswald Rehnquist Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance 336	Posted - 2013.10.24 23:00:00 - [29] - Quote It would be foolish to delete it now only because CCP is currently play testing all scout variants right now, might as well see what that looks like. Otherwise you suffered 6 months of scouting without any reward and now you are stopping right before a change. 1.7 to make mistakes 1.8 to correct them is the way I see it.
Knight Soiaire P.O.I.N.T.L.E.S.S A.C.R.O.N.Y.M 2726	Posted - 2013.10.24 23:04:00 - [30] - Quote Oswald Rehnquist wrote: It would be foolish to delete it now only because CCP is currently play testing all scout variants right now, might as well see what that looks like. Otherwise you suffered 6 months of scouting without any reward and now you are stopping right before a change. 1.7 to make mistakes 1.8 to correct them is the way I see it. I know they're playtesting Scouts, I'd just like to know how they're getting on, and what they plan on improving, I'd probably be happy to stay, especially if they gave us a concrete date as to when to expect these changes. At least then I could tell myself when I die "I only have to put up with this **** for another x amount of months" We're just being left in the dark, and I'd be surprised if the Scout update is even in 1.7, or even 1.8. I'd just like some information.

Knight Soiaire P.O.I.N.T.L.E.S.S A.C.R.O.N.Y.M 2726	Posted - 2013.10.24 23:11:00 - [31] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: You know there are 10 other dropsuit you can try out, until scout are fixed. I tried the Caldari Med ADV, went 17/0, got bored. Tried Heavy, too slow for me. I already have a HAV. I already have Dropships. I've got SP into, and tried every gun, but the Forge Gun. I've got SP into every Dropsuit, but the Gallente Med. Yeah. I got bored a long time ago, and have already tried pretty much every playstyle out there, except Forge Tower Sniping.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 373	Posted - 2013.10.25 01:14:00 - [32] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: So your complaint is you want to be faster than everybody able to jump around and bunny hop mass driver rounds and you expect to be able to tank rounds too? You sir are a greedy bastard and I feel no sympathy for your loss of that clone. No, I want to be able to kill them before they have a chance to shoot. But equalized turn speeds ruined almost every chance of that. Get a better shotgun, use nova knives, get head shots with your shotgun, or just call it bad luck you ran into a guy that could tank your shot and put plasma rounds into you before you can finish him off. That sort of thing happens you know and you aren't entitled to win all the time.
Johnny Guilt Algintal Core Gallente Federation 309	Posted - 2013.10.25 01:27:00 - [33] - Quote it takes 2 soild shots to kill mid suits with the shotty,why didint you pull out your sidearm when his shield was down after the first shot? Sounds like human error to me
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 3750	Posted - 2013.10.25 01:32:00 - [34] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: Protocake JR wrote: I'm currently downloading the Dark Souls II Network Test!!!! #omgomgomgomg Furk you! Damn fools never said it was US only..... amen, those dicks, i got my hopes up. and knight, don't leave!!!! who else will i go "such a cool and interesting name" at when i see you ingame o ron the forums?
Powerh8er Norwegian Dust514 Corporation Top Men. 191	Posted - 2013.10.25 01:46:00 - [35] - Quote Everything Dies wrote: Powerh8er wrote: Fast moving recon units with a low life expectancy. The fact that my advanced Gallente scout can only run about .6 meters per second faster than my advanced Gallente medium build defeats the first part of your statement. As for the second part...just because we can't go toe-to-toe with a medium/heavy suit doesn't mean we should be OHK'd quite so easily. That's unfortunate, the scouts should be much faster then any medium suit. Running around in an armor that is basically a fancy leatherjacket should be killed easily in the battlefields of New Eden. But i know the aim assist were very bad for the scouts. Maybe if the aim assist didnt kick in when shooting at scouts?
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 373	Posted - 2013.10.25 01:56:00 - [36] - Quote Powerh8er wrote: Everything Dies wrote: Powerh8er wrote: Fast moving recon units with a low life expectancy. The fact that my advanced Gallente scout can only run about .6 meters per second faster than my advanced Gallente medium build defeats the first part of your statement. As for the second part...just because we can't go toe-to-toe with a medium/heavy suit doesn't mean we should be OHK'd quite so easily. That's unfortunate, the scouts should be much faster then any medium suit. Running around in an armor that is basically a fancy leatherjacket should be killed easily in the battlefields of New Eden. But i know the aim assist were very bad for the scouts. Maybe if the aim assist didnt kick in when shooting at scouts? In my experience scouts can not or should not be in the thick of battle if they aren't going to be smart about it (which to his credit does not seem to be the problem with the OP) Scouts get their kills by running around being sneaky bastards that shoot you in the back and kill you. If a scout is running at someone who is shooting at them, auto aim or not, chances are that scout will die and should die. Playing a scout you need to be patient and only attack from behind and if you aren't able to kill the guy run the hell away. That is what I have seen the good scouts do and that's why I could never play a scout.
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 1737	Posted - 2013.10.25 02:15:00 - [37] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: Get an ADV Caldari down to a tiny bit of Armour, with a Shotgun shot into his back. Turns around instantly, and I'd say he kills me in under .5 of a second with a Gek. Happens to me everyday. We have no chance if the intended target is a KB/M ADADAD super strafer.
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 1737	Posted - 2013.10.25 02:17:00 - [38] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: ... only attack from behind and if you aren't able to kill the guy run the hell away. The "run the hell away" part is good in theory but rarely works. We're too slow and auto-aim too strong.
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 494	Posted - 2013.10.25 02:20:00 - [39] - Quote I feel you, we don't ask for much at all and they can't grace us with a blue tag. not about the darksouls thing though, gonna test the crap out of it this weekend!
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3228	Posted - 2013.10.25 02:47:00 - [40] - Quote This is why scouts avoid combat at all costs. I'm fine with how quick it is to kill a scout, I just think we need more buffing to make us harder to find and easier to escape fights. Part of the problem is if you pass on the enemies screen, even if he didn't see you, the game thinks he saw you and puts you on his radar irregardless of his passive scanning range and precision.



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