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Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514
Turalyon Alliance
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Posted - 2013.10.24 22:40:00 -
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D legendary hero wrote:
AR calculated DPS = AR actual DPS. Fall off is negligible up to 88m.
HMG calculated DPS =/= actual DPS. fall off, dispersion, and hit detection reduce HMG DPS by 10.775733 DPS per second.
Objection.
Fall-off is not 'negligible' at that range unless you think that a 70% reduction in DPS is 'negligible'.
You can calculate the 'applied' HMG DPS as much as you like, but you can't base it against raw AR DPS because it simply isn't completely applied. Besides which, your calculations are based on one incident where your aiming skills could have had an effect. |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514
Turalyon Alliance
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Posted - 2013.10.24 23:04:00 -
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D legendary hero wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:D legendary hero wrote:
AR calculated DPS = AR actual DPS. Fall off is negligible up to 88m.
HMG calculated DPS =/= actual DPS. fall off, dispersion, and hit detection reduce HMG DPS by 10.775733 DPS per second.
Objection.Fall-off is not 'negligible' at that range unless you think that a 70% reduction in DPS is 'negligible'. You can calculate the 'applied' HMG DPS as much as you like, but you can't base it against raw AR DPS because it simply isn't completely applied. Besides which, your calculations are based on one incident where your aiming skills could have had an effect. Except my Aiming skills are not in question here. And like I said this is based on experiences other heavies and I have had. I have 7+ months of experience using the Heavy suit and HMG and using the AR. i know what I am talking about. In addition who even made this questionable chart? it hardly represents actual in game experience using an AR. Just because some one shows you a shiny chart on google graphs doesn't mean it is necessarily correct. Your just trolling right now. Besides with a 'dren' AR and no damage mods, or proficiency I killed enemies with 400ehp in 1-2 seconds of sustained fire tops. Since it does 425 DPS (or 467 if you count the DPS as I proved before), the fact that between 1 to 2 seconds of fire on target is all that is needed proves that the fall off upto the range of 88m is negligible. You can perform this test yourself. Record yourself shooting an enemy at 88m range with an AR. count the seconds, then do the same with an HMG (with enemy at 50m). Use my above calculations, or derrive your own to arrive at the 'N' constant (you can use 'F' for fall off). The burden of proof is on you.
That chart was assembled by Q-syncing on opposite sides and recording damage values at various ranges - Aeon Amadi made it. Questionable? I think not - his testing is exceptional and goes well beyond what the vast majority of players even consider.
Additionally, the CCP statistics agree with it. See the point where damage drops off to approximately 30-40% at 65m for the assault rifle - this corresponds to the chart.
Thus, it is physically impossible to kill a 400 EHP target with a 425 DPS weapon in one or two seconds with an effective damage reduction of 70%, even were you to land every single one of your shots.
As for your point about your aiming skills, they are not perfect. Nobody has perfect aiming skills. There was some human error in that example. |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514
Turalyon Alliance
4180
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Posted - 2013.10.24 23:10:00 -
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Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:Truth in lending up front: I'm not an HMG or AR player at all. Not one SP in either.
That said, whatever the numbers say, the HMG should not be out done in straight up damage production by an AR (or anything save a Forge Gun or Plasma Cannon) within 50 meters. It should be a pain in th a$$ to reload, not strafe well, slow you down, generally have higher SP requirements, but it should be a BEAST within it's optimal engagement critera.
Essentially, you should be doing AR damage with SMG ROF.
In terms of raw damage output, the HMG already has that level of damage. The problem comes when trying to apply that damage - range and dispersion reduce applied damage significantly. |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514
Turalyon Alliance
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Posted - 2013.10.24 23:33:00 -
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D legendary hero wrote:indeed. In addition, this is not an AR nerf thread. Rather this thread is to prove that when using DPS inconjunction with ARs accurately represents the damage you ar doing upto about 88 meters.
where as with the HMG the calcualted DPS looks high but the fall off, dispersion constant makes the actual DPS very low.
in addition. This player may have done his testing and thats fine. I don't have a chart to represent all my stats, but the calculations here are solid. Most people who use ARs and HMgs would agree that these numbers represent in game phenomena.
Like I said, the 'N' constant -10.10dps/m for the HMG, im not sure if that is fall off, hit detection, etc. but, blaming that on my aim? Thats ludacris. After 7+ months of playing essentially the same maps with minor alterations, there is no way you can tell me that consistent results on my part would be due to poor aim.
I'm simply asking you to be fairer in your comparison. Assuming that an AR applies its full damage at that range is a ludicrous concept, and to properly compare the two you must also calculate the falloff damage from the assault rifle. I have provided you with empirical evidence contradicting your anecdotal evidence.
Your ''N' constant' is hardly accurate as it's based on one incident where you gathered relatively inaccurate data.
I'm not blaming it on your 'poor aim'. I said that it's not humanly possible to land every single shot you fire. Is that incorrect? Do you land all of your shots with the HMG? If you don't, then there is a degree of human error present. That same error is present with the AR, though perhaps not to the same extent. It is, in fact, 'ludicrous' to think that you could have perfect accuracy. |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514
Turalyon Alliance
4180
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Posted - 2013.10.24 23:34:00 -
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8213 wrote:
Why can't you use a Duvolle on your Heavy frame like everyone else?
I facepalmed. Does this not indicate a problem to you? |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514
Turalyon Alliance
4180
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Posted - 2013.10.24 23:43:00 -
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OmegaKelevra wrote:I know & i'm a big fan but i regret investing in heavy's & heavy weapons. would rather have went light with laser rifle or shotgun.
You don't want those either, honestly. |
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