DUST Search - Fix the G-D PUBSTOMPS

trraacx wrote:

Pent'noir wrote:

I have been wondering if there is a way to play the system, like intentionally holding your kd/r very low (0.01), then your matchmaking value will be far less, so you get placed more often on the teams that are doing the proto stomping. I'm assuming that the matchmaker tries to balance people's value on both teams.

I don't think so, my kdr is probably like .001. Matchmaking hasn't for me been as bad as it was a while back but it is still pretty bad. I don't understand CCP's plan on this, if it weren't for my kids enjoying the game and the amount of time we spend laughing about it, I would have quit long ago.

A simple training ground with AI would satisfy all of the beginners and not tryhards that just want to go in, blast stuff up, and be Godlike. I know that I have no interest in the role playing side of it and no matter how much work goes into the lore, it is laughable. The idea that with all the technology at this societies disposal that battle would be done with clones is laughable in itself.

Given that, an area where mercs train against other mercs in nothing but militia gear and no skills would only make sense.

More rant, I made another character so that I could try out kbm in the battle academy. There were guys that that I have to guess were there just to stomp on new guys. Weird.

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Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance 73	Posted - 2013.10.23 09:17:00 - [1] - Quote Why is it, with 3 mil sp, I get put up against FULL ON PROTO players??? There is no such thing as matchmaking in this game.
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 1668	Posted - 2013.10.23 09:19:00 - [2] - Quote I was bathed in the fire when I arrived in New Eden. There was no such thing as an Academy then. Persevere...learn how to fight with minimal means so that when you acquire the higher tiered weapons and dropsuits, you will be a monster on the field. If me and others did it, so can you
BrownEye1129 Death In Xcess Corporation 100	Posted - 2013.10.23 09:20:00 - [3] - Quote YUMMY!!! All your tears belong to us! Can you QQ any louder I don't think anyone pays any attention to these threads anymore. Grow a pair and show us your backbone son.
richiesutie 2 The Rainbow Effect 439	Posted - 2013.10.23 09:21:00 - [4] - Quote Why is with 500k sp i get put up against the most experienced player?+15 other scrubs? http://imgur.com/bUPjS23
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance 73	Posted - 2013.10.23 09:24:00 - [5] - Quote Last 5 games combined I think the enemy lost maybe 30 clones (ambush) wtf? CCP wonders why dust is not highly adopted. Oh and wtf is up with all of the forum trolls? yummy? tears? ok neckbeard.
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1905	Posted - 2013.10.23 09:26:00 - [6] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: I was bathed in the fire when I arrived in New Eden. There was no such thing as an Academy then. Persevere...learn how to fight with minimal means so that when you acquire the higher tiered weapons and dropsuits, you will be a monster on the field. If me and others did it, so can you In other words ; Buy passive SP boosters and AFK in the MCC for 6 months before you can play the game.... Great Advice !!!
Rei Shepard Spectre II 734	Posted - 2013.10.23 09:33:00 - [7] - Quote Crimson Cerberes wrote: Why is it, with 3 mil sp, I get put up against FULL ON PROTO players??? There is no such thing as matchmaking in this game. Sarah Conner also whined when she was put against the Terminator, but in the end she won ...well sorta won :p Seriously though, i do agree that matchmaking is far from ok i mean Start game ...all alone on one side, other side has a team ....ok ....5 seconds later, i get a MLT scrub on my side ...other side gets another team.... Wait ...what ? SCOTTTYYYYYYYY YOU BASTARD!!!
Rei Shepard Spectre II 734	Posted - 2013.10.23 09:34:00 - [8] - Quote richiesutie 2 wrote: Why is with 500k sp i get put up against the most experienced player?+15 other scrubs? http://imgur.com/bUPjS23 I dont have any words for that lol...at least my 2 teams i got were easy to break down solo, but yeah those guys ...like Bend Over Buddy here we come...
BrownEye1129 Death In Xcess Corporation 100	Posted - 2013.10.23 09:35:00 - [9] - Quote Lol you act like you are the only one that has ever been stomped. Not a troll just someone who has been there and done that. Well I never got on the forums and QQ about it. Here is some advice quit let your passive SP grow and come back when you are not going to cry. Tired of you guys filling the forums with your crying. Man Up already
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1906	Posted - 2013.10.23 09:39:00 - [10] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: richiesutie 2 wrote: Why is with 500k sp i get put up against the most experienced player?+15 other scrubs? http://imgur.com/bUPjS23 I dont have any words for that lol...at least my 2 teams i got were easy to break down solo, but yeah those guys ...like Bend Over Buddy here we come... I have few ; Chaos, anarchy, tyranny, exploitation, abuse, fraud ... just to say few.

Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 1668	Posted - 2013.10.23 09:40:00 - [11] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: richiesutie 2 wrote: Why is with 500k sp i get put up against the most experienced player?+15 other scrubs? http://imgur.com/bUPjS23 I dont have any words for that lol...at least my 2 teams i got were easy to break down solo, but yeah those guys ...like Bend Over Buddy here we come... I have few ; Chaos, anarchy, tyranny, exploitation, abuse, fraud ... just to say few. LOL you're Saul for the noobs...
steadyhand amarr MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 1622	Posted - 2013.10.23 09:44:00 - [12] - Quote Just remove the matchmakeing all together first come first serve when we could pick our contracts the matches always seemed to work better
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1906	Posted - 2013.10.23 09:45:00 - [13] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: richiesutie 2 wrote: Why is with 500k sp i get put up against the most experienced player?+15 other scrubs? http://imgur.com/bUPjS23 I dont have any words for that lol...at least my 2 teams i got were easy to break down solo, but yeah those guys ...like Bend Over Buddy here we come... I have few ; Chaos, anarchy, tyranny, exploitation, abuse, fraud ... just to say few. LOL you're Saul for the noobs... Oh, but i have more; Corruption, mischief, terrorism, torture, inquisition ............
Pent'noir Algintal Core Gallente Federation 153	Posted - 2013.10.23 09:58:00 - [14] - Quote I have been wondering if there is a way to play the system, like intentionally holding your kd/r very low (0.01), then your matchmaking value will be far less, so you get placed more often on the teams that are doing the proto stomping. I'm assuming that the matchmaker tries to balance people's value on both teams.
SgtDoughnut Red Star Jr. EoN. 303	Posted - 2013.10.23 10:33:00 - [15] - Quote Pent'noir wrote: I have been wondering if there is a way to play the system, like intentionally holding your kd/r very low (0.01), then your matchmaking value will be far less, so you get placed more often on the teams that are doing the proto stomping. I'm assuming that the matchmaker tries to balance people's value on both teams. I think Scotty is just incredibly drunk and throws darts at a board.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1071	Posted - 2013.10.23 10:58:00 - [16] - Quote Match making cannot work because: A. Not enough people to create a large enough pool of players to pull from. B. KDR, SP and suit type mean very little when compared to tactics and squad play. Segregate the battle by the meta level of the suit's total meta level (all weapons, equipment and modules meta added to the suit meta) and only allow mercs with similar meta into the match. There is no other way to do it and call it a sandbox or make matchmaking work. More than anything we need more people playing.
Mortedeamor Internal Rebellion 506	Posted - 2013.10.23 11:11:00 - [17] - Quote richiesutie 2 wrote: Why is with 500k sp i get put up against the most experienced player?+15 other scrubs? http://imgur.com/bUPjS23 god damn so glad i dont use my alt anymore (other than for when i inevitably get banned )
Upper Deckin Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 24	Posted - 2013.10.23 11:19:00 - [18] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: I was bathed in the fire when I arrived in New Eden. There was no such thing as an Academy then. Persevere...learn how to fight with minimal means so that when you acquire the higher tiered weapons and dropsuits, you will be a monster on the field. If me and others did it, so can you Yeah nub...... The guy with 1600+ likes that lives on the forums & has been around since beta hence started prob atleast a year b4 you and also got to start on a somewhat a level playing field . So.... maybe he started nothing like you but he can justify sticking around defending/playing a broken soon to be dead game ... like a boss.
R F Gyro Clones 4u 597	Posted - 2013.10.23 11:24:00 - [19] - Quote Crimson Cerberes wrote: Why is it, with 3 mil sp, I get put up against FULL ON PROTO players??? There is no such thing as matchmaking in this game. As far as I am aware, the current matchmaking implementation doesn't even attempt to separate new players in militia gear from veterans in proto gear: it is not a design goal. The matchmaking algorithm only tries to make both sides of the battle even (I'm not going to comment on how successful it is at that). My understanding is that "6 squadded protovets+ 10 unsquadded militia noobs" vs. "6 squadded protovets + 10 unsquadded militia noobs" would be considered by the current system to be perfect matchmaking and completely balanced. It would, of course, be absolutely horrendous for the militia noobs. If a blue tag could refute this I'd be delighted.
Niuvo The Phoenix Federation The Ascendancy 647	Posted - 2013.10.23 11:25:00 - [20] - Quote I feel bad for newbies. I would feel better if you go up against ppl around your sp level 3-4mil

KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 843	Posted - 2013.10.23 11:26:00 - [21] - Quote Crimson Cerberes wrote: Why is it, with 3 mil sp, I get put up against FULL ON PROTO players??? There is no such thing as matchmaking in this game. And your point would be what, exactly? There never has been matchmaking in this game. So it has not changed, just saying.
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1907	Posted - 2013.10.23 11:29:00 - [22] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: richiesutie 2 wrote: Why is with 500k sp i get put up against the most experienced player?+15 other scrubs? http://imgur.com/bUPjS23 I dont have any words for that lol...at least my 2 teams i got were easy to break down solo, but yeah those guys ...like Bend Over Buddy here we come... I have few ; Chaos, anarchy, tyranny, exploitation, abuse, fraud ... just to say few. LOL you're Saul for the noobs... Oh, but i have more; Corruption, mischief, terrorism, torture, inquisition ............ No one is going to poke me ? .... fine... i poke myself. * Poke * Distortion, misery, humiliation, intimidation, unholy ....
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1073	Posted - 2013.10.23 11:37:00 - [23] - Quote Niuvo wrote: I feel bad for newbies. I would feel better if you go up against ppl around your sp level 3-4mil SP doesn't make a good match. Junk players like me with 12M SP still don't stand a chance against good players with 3-4M SP. They only way to create good fights is to segregate the battles by gear so that suit choices, team play, tactics and the player's skill have more of an impact over the outcome. As it is in most battles you either get rolled or do the rolling because of the imbalance of gear. While SP does play a part of the imbalance after about 4M SP a good merc can have a well developed suit fitted to their playstyle and any SP past that starts to widen their options more than focus their ability.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 953	Posted - 2013.10.23 11:38:00 - [24] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Match making cannot work because: A. Not enough people to create a large enough pool of players to pull from. B. KDR, SP and suit type mean very little when compared to tactics and squad play. Segregate the battle by the meta level of the suit's total meta level (all weapons, equipment and modules meta added to the suit meta) and only allow mercs with similar meta into the match. There is no other way to do it and call it a sandbox or make matchmaking work. More than anything we need more people playing. we've only been asking for meta based matchmaking for what 6 months now? I honestly doubt we'll ever get it. I might just be bitter though.
Ensar Cael Svartur Bjorn 18	Posted - 2013.10.23 11:39:00 - [25] - Quote Just keep going dude. Its nasty as hell at first but then you start to meet other players who can take on the protobears and win using militia gear. Use the squad finder and hit up all the squads you can and learn from every encounter. Yeah protobears are hard but think of the isk you cost them everytime they lose one of their precious suits and fittings DUST is not friendly to new players or even veterans. That's why I like this game. It f*cks you up and makes you work hard.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1074	Posted - 2013.10.23 11:42:00 - [26] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Match making cannot work because: A. Not enough people to create a large enough pool of players to pull from. B. KDR, SP and suit type mean very little when compared to tactics and squad play. Segregate the battle by the meta level of the suit's total meta level (all weapons, equipment and modules meta added to the suit meta) and only allow mercs with similar meta into the match. There is no other way to do it and call it a sandbox or make matchmaking work. More than anything we need more people playing. we've only been asking for meta based matchmaking for what 6 months now? I honestly doubt we'll ever get it. I might just be bitter though. Here is how I would do it.
Canari Elphus Pro Hic Immortalis 691	Posted - 2013.10.23 11:58:00 - [27] - Quote As robot said, there are not enough people playing the game to support matchmaking right now. You either have.... a.) the way it is now and being able to get into a game in <1 minute b) matchmaking which could take 5-10 minutes to get into a game and you end up fighting the same people most of the time. To have a game load up every 30 seconds for every mode you need Ambush - Say 10 minute average length * 32 = 640 players Domination - 15 minute average length * 32 = 960 players Skirmish - 20 minute average length * 32 players = 1280 players Total - 2880 players to fill the queue for 30 second windows between games with no matchmaking And that is in a perfect world where players queue up in a staggered rotation. The numbers just dont allow for any further division in the game either for new modes or matchmaking.
pegasis prime BIG BAD W0LVES 1183	Posted - 2013.10.23 12:00:00 - [28] - Quote matchmaking is crap there's doubting it ........iv started walking out on fights when im in the barge and my team consists of nothing but npc non squadded mercs, hell yesterday scotty tried to pit me solo against 1 squad of sver and 1 squad of wtf , swift exit ensued after they took all the points, I was still solo at this point.. unfortunately most of the folks I see defending proto stomping/matchmaking are scrubs who don't want to dent their kd by going up against mercs that stand a chance of winning. half of these proto squads would never have thrown 5 or 6 proto suits at a pub game back in chrome as a well fitted proto drop suit cost round the mill mark pending on your class. when they dropped the price for proto they opened a can of worms and now if they try to raise it again you will see all these scrubs crying and threatening to leave.
Justice Prevails Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 55	Posted - 2013.10.23 12:24:00 - [29] - Quote The biggest problem that I see is that one side has two organized corp squads and the other side has all npc corps. The organized tactics of these squads is really what leads to the stomping. Just put the two different corps on each side. Now before you tell me to join a corp, I will eventually. I don't want to be on the stomping side, too boring and my skills wont improve. Win or lose, I just want close, edge of your seat battles where you don't know who wins until the screen tells you.
trraacx DUST University Ivy League 5	Posted - 2013.10.23 12:27:00 - [30] - Quote Pent'noir wrote: I have been wondering if there is a way to play the system, like intentionally holding your kd/r very low (0.01), then your matchmaking value will be far less, so you get placed more often on the teams that are doing the proto stomping. I'm assuming that the matchmaker tries to balance people's value on both teams. I don't think so, my kdr is probably like .001. Matchmaking hasn't for me been as bad as it was a while back but it is still pretty bad. I don't understand CCP's plan on this, if it weren't for my kids enjoying the game and the amount of time we spend laughing about it, I would have quit long ago. A simple training ground with AI would satisfy all of the beginners and not tryhards that just want to go in, blast stuff up, and be Godlike. I know that I have no interest in the role playing side of it and no matter how much work goes into the lore, it is laughable. The idea that with all the technology at this societies disposal that battle would be done with clones is laughable in itself. Given that, an area where mercs train against other mercs in nothing but militia gear and no skills would only make sense. More rant, I made another character so that I could try out kbm in the battle academy. There were guys that that I have to guess were there just to stomp on new guys. Weird.

Hellkeizer The Avutora Complex 164	Posted - 2013.10.23 12:58:00 - [31] - Quote trraacx wrote: Pent'noir wrote: I have been wondering if there is a way to play the system, like intentionally holding your kd/r very low (0.01), then your matchmaking value will be far less, so you get placed more often on the teams that are doing the proto stomping. I'm assuming that the matchmaker tries to balance people's value on both teams. I don't think so, my kdr is probably like .001. Matchmaking hasn't for me been as bad as it was a while back but it is still pretty bad. I don't understand CCP's plan on this, if it weren't for my kids enjoying the game and the amount of time we spend laughing about it, I would have quit long ago. A simple training ground with AI would satisfy all of the beginners and not tryhards that just want to go in, blast stuff up, and be Godlike. I know that I have no interest in the role playing side of it and no matter how much work goes into the lore, it is laughable. The idea that with all the technology at this societies disposal that battle would be done with clones is laughable in itself. Given that, an area where mercs train against other mercs in nothing but militia gear and no skills would only make sense. More rant, I made another character so that I could try out kbm in the battle academy. There were guys that that I have to guess were there just to stomp on new guys. Weird. Some guys just want to feel good about themselves
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 1059	Posted - 2013.10.23 13:08:00 - [32] - Quote richiesutie 2 wrote: Why is with 500k sp i get put up against the most experienced player?+15 other scrubs? http://imgur.com/bUPjS23 I'm just dumb enough to wish it had been me. The real question is, did you still get rage mail from 13ear?
richiesutie 2 The Rainbow Effect 447	Posted - 2013.10.24 19:26:00 - [33] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: richiesutie 2 wrote: Why is with 500k sp i get put up against the most experienced player?+15 other scrubs? http://imgur.com/bUPjS23 I'm just dumb enough to wish it had been me. The real question is, did you still get rage mail from 13ear? TBH it was quite fun almost killed 13ear but he ran off had home down to 40 armour! But no hate mail however did get a lot of gg mail!


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