Reading through the 'fill me in on the scouts' thread was pretty enlightening. the class simply isnt asking for much. They are the other side of the spectrum when compared to the Heavy. They sacrifice hp and cpu&pg for stealth and speed. We cant allow players of any class to cheat the system and circumvent the role they choose. no suit even maxed out with all the bells & whistles should have comparable speed and stealth to a scout, as much equipment as a logi or the resilience of the heavy.

part of the problem is CCP still hasnt prevented this from happening logis can still stack armor and suits like the minmatar assault can have scouts strengths w/o any of the tradeoff. this cant happen for a number of reasons. customization is good but it needs ceilings and floors.

some of the things scouts need seem basic to their role.


1) expand on scan radius and scan profile - they should have the best passive scanning ability and should be the hardest to detect. this is basic stuff. we were shocked to learn all suits now have the same radius...lore says they have adaptive camouflage and optic sensors so this needs to be one of the first fixes.

1: scouts will have the least amount of gear and CPU + PG. we all understand this.

2: they should have the highest resistance to active and passive scanning of all suits

3: we know speed has been an issue when it comes to hit detection but they need a slight buff here as fast assault suits are comparable. scouts need to be significantly faster than assault dropsuits..keep in mind they sacrifice health.

4: strafing is another past issue, but if the scout strafes at the same speed of other suits the cons of low health dont outweigh the benefits. it must be significantly faster.

5: Their stamina must increase. scouts should be the fastest dropsuits but should also have the most endurance as they carry hardly any gear.

we invite longtime scouts to chime in here with good suggestions so that CCP can make the right changes so each class fills its role.

If there's someone familiar with scouts willing to do a well-written, objective piece we'll give you the space on our blog.

OP is on the spot. All those things are reasonable and will not make scouts OP.

Two other things I would consider depending on how much buff scout gets otherwise is higher jump (not being able to clear hand rails under fire is a huge bummer for a scout) - maybe 10-20% higher, nothing too outrageous. So that's the main one. The second one that I can take or leave is better melee damage, at least for minni - it should make sense for a scout to melee. Now scouts have the weakest melee damage.

This isn't entirely fleshed out but I was thinking of an exchange for removing the light weapon slot make scouts the active module class. They can use any of the active modules but get a bonus to their suits preferred module

Sentinels are the heavy weapons class, the Commando is a duel light weapons class, making heavy frames the unique weapon specialists, Medium frames are the adaptable GÇ£can perform every single roleGÇ¥ class, logis being equipment/module focus and assaults being stat/weapon focused, thus Scouts should be the active module class, allowing them to explode with power in short bursts (this will also fit with how pilot suits would operate). This would replace them getting a second equipment slot and would remove the light weapon slot from their suits.

Scout suit stats arenGÇÖt that great in general to get much of an advantage from % boosting modules, and the module count is small to begin with and limited cpu/pg to stack mods, why not have unique and powerful modules just for the scout suit to have them get past this hard set limitation? They would have long cool downs when ran without bonuses and part of the racial scout bonuses could be applied to the reduction of these cool downs.

Caldari Racial: Tacnet Delusive Module cooldown

Tacnet Delusive Modules- The accuracy of targeting hostile playerGÇÖs Tacnet is dependent on precision beating out targets profile signature.

Solipsism Modules (Tacnet Jammer)- Turns off the mini map, turns off IFF (identify friend foe) indicators, cuts mic communication, prevents calling in of vehicles or strikes

Phantasm modules (decoy, false noise)- When used on the ground it creates false hostile signals on the enemies tacnet, when used on objectives, it falsely claims its being hacked

Mimatar scout active modules effect movement, filling an effective skirmisher role that can excel at hit and run tactics

Hermod Modules (chemical stimulates)- Increases speed by a large margin just as fast or faster than frame rate for a few seconds.

Olorun Modules (jump pack)-Activate the module and your jumps become boosted, you can also double jump with this. Falls can be controlled by slow ascension and dropping on an enemy causes an instant kill.

Amarr- Bonus to capacitor active modules
While the capacitor stat doesnGÇÖt really exist in dust its function on how and why modules and weapons take cpu/pg do. Amarr scout would be a really good harrier by debuffing enemies

Neutralize (direct Debuff)- temporarily negates the effect of some of the modules on hostile targets (some modules would be immune for common sense purposes) also slows down enemy units

***PLACE HOLDER*** Though I was debating a teleporting function

Gallente- Bonus to Stealth/Detection Active Modules

Ghost Modules (cloak)- self explanatory

***PLACE HOLDER***

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You guys are nuts, if you want to run two side arms do it. But shoe horning roles is the wrong way to go. Why do you think we only have one equipment slot? I've posted before that all roles need more diversity. I know some people get upset when people play outside of the typical role of whatever suit they are wearing, but why? What we need is more suit variants like there was in chrome.

My ideas for scout are more about stealth then speed. What is one of the big things for this game? It is hacking objectives, and generally what happens when you hack? The game lets everybody know that this objective/installion is being hacked. Which usually in turn draws every red (dead) or nearby to your current location, throwing out all the work of sneaking around lines for a behind the back hack. So all that to say we need hacking profiles as we as scanning and scouts should have next to none.

Scout squad vision: I know some scouts don't like this, and for pub matches I agree with them, so maybe have it be a toggible (or another module?) option it would be nice for scouts to be able broadcast enemy positions without an active scanner in PC.

Other than that another equipment slot would be nice.

I agree with increasing their stamina and base scan radius but I disagree with decreasing their scan profile even more since it would make scanners somewhat useless again

As for mobility I disagree with just straight speed buffs and would rather see maps incorporate terrain that only a scout can get through such as narrow areas like air ducts in installations which would also be faster routes through said installation or rough terrain in the field that only a scout can navigate quickly such steep rocky areas that a medium or heavy could only walk up

not to get off topic, but CCP u need to get in here. pretty sure Cosgar just resolved your issue with people armoring up logis or speed stacking assaults and being as fast or as armored as scouts and heavys. gr8 idea!!!!!!!!

1. scouts should have fitting reduction from biotics/ewar.
2. heavies need fitting reduction for armor, shield and damage mods.
3. assaults need fitting reduction for weapons.
4. logis need fitting reduction on equip.

I do what I want! you can tame me!

Reading through the 'fill me in on the scouts' thread was pretty enlightening. the class simply isnt asking for much. They are the other side of the spectrum when compared to the Heavy. They sacrifice hp and cpu&pg for stealth and speed. We cant allow players of any class to cheat the system and circumvent the role they choose. no suit even maxed out with all the bells & whistles should have comparable speed and stealth to a scout, as much equipment as a logi or the resilience of the heavy.

part of the problem is CCP still hasnt prevented this from happening logis can still stack armor and suits like the minmatar assault can have scouts strengths w/o any of the tradeoff. this cant happen for a number of reasons. customization is good but it needs ceilings and floors.

some of the things scouts need seem basic to their role.


1) expand on scan radius and scan profile - they should have the best passive scanning ability and should be the hardest to detect. this is basic stuff. we were shocked to learn all suits now have the same radius...lore says they have adaptive camouflage and optic sensors so this needs to be one of the first fixes.

1: scouts will have the least amount of gear and CPU + PG. we all understand this.

2: they should have the highest resistance to active and passive scanning of all suits

3: we know speed has been an issue when it comes to hit detection but they need a slight buff here as fast assault suits are comparable. scouts need to be significantly faster than assault dropsuits..keep in mind they sacrifice health.

4: strafing is another past issue, but if the scout strafes at the same speed of other suits the cons of low health dont outweigh the benefits. it must be significantly faster.

5: Their stamina must increase. scouts should be the fastest dropsuits but should also have the most endurance as they carry hardly any gear.

we invite longtime scouts to chime in here with good suggestions so that CCP can make the right changes so each class fills its role.

If there's someone familiar with scouts willing to do a well-written, objective piece we'll give you the space on our blog.

Cloaking is all it needs

No

yes

they don't work well maxxed skills their range is 15m but they work very well if you're skilled right. they're like wall short range wall hax, you show up on my radar and there is a chevette above you head without LoS(line of sight). once you notice it it becomes really helpful. my favorite skill by far, I just wish It was longer range.

I would love the Minnie scout to have 2 sidarms, no Light weapon, and 2 equipment