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21yrOld Knight
Pradox XVI
210
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Posted - 2013.10.21 03:38:00 -
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I don't always wear my proto gear, but i run it in pub matches because it is fun. It is easier for me to take down 6 guys coming toward me. when i use adv gear i can only get 4 of them. When i switch over to proto i gain 160 more hp. It gives me more possibilities. I mean seriously why would i handicap my self when i have the money to do otherwise. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3421
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Posted - 2013.10.21 03:40:00 -
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21yrOld Knight wrote:I don't always wear my proto gear, but i run it in pub matches because it is fun. It is easier for me to take down 6 guys coming toward me. when i use adv gear i can only get 4 of them. When i switch over to proto i gain 160 more hp. It gives me more possibilities. I mean seriously why would i handicap my self when i have the money to do otherwise.
I'm the other way around.
I'm cursed with Protoinefficiency a unique condition which renders me completely devoid of any skill or luck when using proto type equipment, but an uncanny ability to do better when using ADV or lower gear. |
Broonfondle Majikthies
Bannana Boat Corp
343
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Posted - 2013.10.21 03:49:00 -
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Its my isk so I'll use it as I wish.
It might take several battles but it is easily affordable. I don't do it for every match but I have cheaper fits if I do want to (same as using basic gear, but then again its still expensive so doesn't really compare)
Also there is nowhere to test equipment. How am I supposed to test the effectiveness of my modules in actual combat without going into a potentially important PC battle that directly affects the corp (not that we can, the larger corps make it a massive headache that to be honest we can do without)
Plus - Flying is an innate player skill requiring regular flight time. On top of that the Militia DS's are less responsive to the point that most protective modules have to be abandoned in favour of overdrives to help balance it out. |
Flix Keptick
Red Star.
EoN.
787
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Posted - 2013.10.21 03:55:00 -
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Because we don't have pc 24/7 (well, in calm times). And because anything cheaper gets instaraped by av. |
Justin Tymes
Dem Durrty Boyz
Public Disorder.
444
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Posted - 2013.10.21 04:02:00 -
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Vegetation Monster wrote:Justin Tymes wrote:They want to win, so they insist on abusing Ambush's design, which was never meant for these vehicles. It's one of the main reasons why Ambush has become degenerate. well, if you want tanks out of ambush, than Av got to be removed from skirmish and domination.
Why should a tank's performance in other modes have anything to do with tanks in Ambush? Your argument is because you feel that your tank is underpowered in other modes, you should be able to abuse your tank being overpowering in Ambush. That's faulty logic. |
Ignoble Son
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
345
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Posted - 2013.10.21 04:02:00 -
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I don't always tank my friends, but when I do, I tank dos dari's.
He is the most interesting player in pubs. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
7075
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Posted - 2013.10.21 04:26:00 -
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PC lag is unbearable on my end, and vehicles are the only thing I find fun, so I just call out my tank and hope all my modules activate when they're supposed to.
I'm amazingly poor. |
MINA Longstrike
2Shitz 1Giggle
11
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Posted - 2013.10.21 04:38:00 -
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Cheap vehicles don't live through matches. Expensive ones can |
Rinzler XVII
Forsaken Immortals
Top Men.
152
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Posted - 2013.10.21 15:01:00 -
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Miokai Zahou wrote:Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:PC payout is 2 million isk so it makes sense to run vehicles there.
PUBS payout is 200, 000 isk versus a 2 miilion ISK tan/dropship so its pointless to run them in pubs.
Same for running proto suits/weapons in pubs?
I.e. a tanker runs tanks in ambush and gets plenty of kills then the infantry get tired of this and kill the tank.
And the tanker instead of staying in PC or at least skirmish instead gets upset at lost tanks? Let me counter this then, why shouldn't they run proto gear in PUB matches? Just because you say so? What if they are bored and want to burn the tons of ISK they have or just want to have a laugh at the expense of others? eam practising maybe? I run my proto gear because I can and will keep doing so as I make enough isk (for now anyway), why you ask? Because I invested my time and SP into the gear and weapons to proto standards.
And pubstomp potential new players into the ground making them not want to play, uninstall and another player turns their back on DUST and the player count reduces by yet another 1 ?
As soon as the friendly fire comes into play in FW you know there is going to be a huge backlash from the newer players purposefully going out of their way to kill people on their own team in proto gear just to get revenge ... and when you complain that they are costing you ISK and ruining your fun they can say .. HTFU just because I'm on your team doesn't mean I can;t kill you ... im a merc I do whatever I like
I for one am going to be advocating this as much as possible so that If a new player gets pubstomped the very next game they go into FW use a starter miltia fit and go out of their way to kill any1 on their team in proto gear
The issue isn;t whether you can or can't, it's that it is extremely scrubby to use the best possible gear in the game in a meaningless match
You can use whatever you like but you're still a scrub for doing so |
Rinzler XVII
Forsaken Immortals
Top Men.
152
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Posted - 2013.10.21 15:04:00 -
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knight of 6 wrote:I'm tired of this argument! so I'm not gonna reason with you!
tanks are in ambush HTFU.
people drop tanks in pubs HTFU.
tanks exist HTFU.
do you ask why the logi drops his suit in matches? no, because you know the answer. it's what he does he knows no other trade nor does he want one. he is a logi so he uses logi suits, tankers tank, so they drive tanks, DS pilots fly so they bring dropships.
IF THEY WERE IN IT FOR THE MONEY THEY"D ALL BE OP CAL LOGIS WITH DUVOLLES. SOME PEOPLE LIKE TO BE PILOTS LEAVE THEM ALONE
YES I KNOW THE CAPS LOCK IS ON AND IT FEELS GOOD.
FREEDOM, 'MURICA, YEA.
Cal Logi's aren't OP you just suck
Munch |
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daishi mk03
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
257
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Posted - 2013.10.21 15:06:00 -
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I run a tank every pub/fw and I still make more money than I lose? How? |
Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
633
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Posted - 2013.10.21 15:07:00 -
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low genius wrote:Miokai Zahou wrote:Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:PC payout is 2 million isk so it makes sense to run vehicles there.
PUBS payout is 200, 000 isk versus a 2 miilion ISK tan/dropship so its pointless to run them in pubs.
Same for running proto suits/weapons in pubs?
I.e. a tanker runs tanks in ambush and gets plenty of kills then the infantry get tired of this and kill the tank.
And the tanker instead of staying in PC or at least skirmish instead gets upset at lost tanks? Let me counter this then, why shouldn't they run proto gear in PUB matches? Just because you say so? What if they are bored and want to burn the tons of ISK they have or just want to have a laugh at the expense of others? eam practising maybe? I run my proto gear because I can and will keep doing so as I make enough isk (for now anyway), why you ask? Because I invested my time and SP into the gear and weapons to proto standards. because it's fiscally irresponsible. 
Who are you, my accountant?
It's fake money btw. I earn money on my alts. I burn it on my tanks. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
6629
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Posted - 2013.10.21 15:08:00 -
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Entire playstyles shouldn't be reserved for PC. |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2701
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Posted - 2013.10.22 04:59:00 -
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Justin Tymes wrote:Vegetation Monster wrote:Justin Tymes wrote:They want to win, so they insist on abusing Ambush's design, which was never meant for these vehicles. It's one of the main reasons why Ambush has become degenerate. well, if you want tanks out of ambush, than Av got to be removed from skirmish and domination. Why should a tank's performance in other modes have anything to do with tanks in Ambush? Your argument is because you feel that your tank is underpowered in other modes, you should be able to abuse your tank being overpowering in Ambush. That's faulty logic.
They aren't overpowered in Ambush at all.. Tanks are incredibly easy to destroy, especially on small maps where they have nowhere to hide.
Most of the vehicle pilots I know who still play, do so specifically for the challenge. If you want to play the game casually, you throw on the old logi-AR. If you want to make things stupid hard on yourself, you call in vehicles. |
Athena Sentinel
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
124
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Posted - 2013.10.22 05:16:00 -
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Because there is nothing else, unless you have the isk, time, and stupidity of post beta testing Planetary Conquest for CCP and pay out of pocket for it.
F.C is only skirmish (lame) So if you don't enjoy skirmish after skirmish after skirmish... (is this adding up for you?) |
Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
1617
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Posted - 2013.10.22 05:19:00 -
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Most post are the saying the same thing. Most don't do PC battles. LOL PC is its own little club anyway and the majority of folks stick to pubs and FW because of that. |
Void Echo
Blades of Dust
1911
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Posted - 2013.10.22 05:56:00 -
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Justin Tymes wrote:Vegetation Monster wrote:Justin Tymes wrote:They want to win, so they insist on abusing Ambush's design, which was never meant for these vehicles. It's one of the main reasons why Ambush has become degenerate. well, if you want tanks out of ambush, than Av got to be removed from skirmish and domination. Why should a tank's performance in other modes have anything to do with tanks in Ambush? Your argument is because you feel that your tank is underpowered in other modes, you should be able to abuse your tank being overpowering in Ambush. That's faulty logic.
its not a question about tanks being UP in other matches..
if you want vehicles out of ambush, pilots want AV out of skirmish or domination, fair is fair. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
1866
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Posted - 2013.10.22 05:58:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:PC payout is 2 million isk so it makes sense to run vehicles there.
PUBS payout is 200, 000 isk versus a 2 miilion ISK tan/dropship so its pointless to run them in pubs.
Same for running proto suits/weapons in pubs?
I.e. a tanker runs tanks in ambush and gets plenty of kills then the infantry get tired of this and kill the tank.
And the tanker instead of staying in PC or at least skirmish instead gets upset at lost tanks?
The same reason people with 100s of millions of isk still run BPO/militia fits: Because they want to. |
Eurydice Itzhak
Militaires Sans Jeux
226
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Posted - 2013.10.22 06:24:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:PC payout is 2 million isk so it makes sense to run vehicles there.
PUBS payout is 200, 000 isk versus a 2 miilion ISK tan/dropship so its pointless to run them in pubs.
Same for running proto suits/weapons in pubs?
I.e. a tanker runs tanks in ambush and gets plenty of kills then the infantry get tired of this and kill the tank.
And the tanker instead of staying in PC or at least skirmish instead gets upset at lost tanks?
Yes let me run around in mlt gear even though i have 13 m sp.
No I'm going to use vehicles EVERY game. |
Pvt Numnutz
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement
Caldari State
265
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Posted - 2013.10.22 06:45:00 -
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two reasons,
1. Assault dropships are the only effective dropships
2. The only dropship that has good enough handling to keep up with my flying is an assault dropship
and its an addiction, a horrible, painful and expensive addiction.... |
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Justin Tymes
Dem Durrty Boyz
Public Disorder.
446
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Posted - 2013.10.22 07:03:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:Justin Tymes wrote:Vegetation Monster wrote:Justin Tymes wrote:They want to win, so they insist on abusing Ambush's design, which was never meant for these vehicles. It's one of the main reasons why Ambush has become degenerate. well, if you want tanks out of ambush, than Av got to be removed from skirmish and domination. Why should a tank's performance in other modes have anything to do with tanks in Ambush? Your argument is because you feel that your tank is underpowered in other modes, you should be able to abuse your tank being overpowering in Ambush. That's faulty logic. its not a question about tanks being UP in other matches.. if you want vehicles out of ambush, pilots want AV out of skirmish or domination, fair is fair.
Except it's not fair because the other modes are balanced with tanks being supposedly UP there, while Ambush is not balanced with tanks being OP there. Game mode balance will always take priority. |
Justin Tymes
Dem Durrty Boyz
Public Disorder.
446
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Posted - 2013.10.22 07:18:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:Justin Tymes wrote:Vegetation Monster wrote:Justin Tymes wrote:They want to win, so they insist on abusing Ambush's design, which was never meant for these vehicles. It's one of the main reasons why Ambush has become degenerate. well, if you want tanks out of ambush, than Av got to be removed from skirmish and domination. Why should a tank's performance in other modes have anything to do with tanks in Ambush? Your argument is because you feel that your tank is underpowered in other modes, you should be able to abuse your tank being overpowering in Ambush. That's faulty logic. They aren't overpowered in Ambush at all.. Tanks are incredibly easy to destroy, especially on small maps where they have nowhere to hide. Most of the vehicle pilots I know who still play, do so specifically for the challenge. If you want to play the game casually, you throw on the old logi-AR. If you want to make things stupid hard on yourself, you call in vehicles.
I call bullshit. A single tank swings massively in the other teams favor, because it nerfs your teams effectiveness against Infantry. With objectives being a win condition, it's not a problem, with bigger maps it's not a problem, with multiple supply depots it's not problem. But Ambush has none of these. It was not designed for it.
It's not challenging at all for a team to win with a tank in Ambush, and it's not difficult for a tank to survive for 50 clones. 2+ tanks means the entire team goes into casual mode. |
Thurak1
Psygod9
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
334
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Posted - 2013.10.22 07:31:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:PC payout is 2 million isk so it makes sense to run vehicles there.
PUBS payout is 200, 000 isk versus a 2 miilion ISK tan/dropship so its pointless to run them in pubs.
Same for running proto suits/weapons in pubs?
I.e. a tanker runs tanks in ambush and gets plenty of kills then the infantry get tired of this and kill the tank.
And the tanker instead of staying in PC or at least skirmish instead gets upset at lost tanks?
i dont know but i LOVE killing them. My drop suits on average cost less than 5000 isk. So when i kill someone that has killed me with a duvoll i love it! |
Sgt Buttscratch
R 0 N 1 N
920
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Posted - 2013.10.22 07:39:00 -
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Justin Tymes wrote:They want to win, so they insist on abusing Ambush's design, which was never meant for these vehicles. It's one of the main reasons why Ambush has become degenerate.
Using tanks in ambush is abusing ambush....loooool. So infantry gets to enjoy the entire game, but you want others who skilled in something other than logi/ar/core locus/scanner to miss out on certain game modes. you're a winner.
@OP. because we skilled into them, and we can. Plus PC is crap. Why do tryhards and fucktards insist on using exspensive dropsuits in pub matches? |
Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
426
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Posted - 2013.10.22 07:48:00 -
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In all fairness the cheap HAVs are the ones my iFG can three shot. At that point they might as well fight on foot. |
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