So please follow me here, as I'm only going to be talking about two entirely different things but equate them as the same thing as a means to make a point.

So whenever I try to make lasagna that **** takes like TWO hours to prepare and cook properly, but whenever I'm just making spaghetti it takes like 30 minutes. Seriously, I'm using the same ingredients. Why the hell am I having to spend so much time on something that's essentially the same thing? This is completely unjustified.

As such, I propose we rebalance lasagna's cook time to the same as spaghetti. I mean, I don't care to spend the time to actually learn the intricacies involved in each dish. I would much rather look at it superficially and use my all-knowing wisdom to decide what's right.

So please follow me here, as I'm only going to be talking about two entirely different things but equate them as the same thing as a means to make a point.

So whenever I try to make lasagna that **** takes like TWO hours to prepare and cook properly, but whenever I'm just making spaghetti it takes like 30 minutes. Seriously, I'm using the same ingredients. Why the hell am I having to spend so much time on something that's essentially the same thing? This is completely unjustified.

As such, I propose we rebalance lasagna's cook time to the same as spaghetti. I mean, I don't care to spend the time to actually learn the intricacies involved in each dish. I would much rather look at it superficially and use my all-knowing wisdom to decide what's right.

So please follow me here, I'm only going to be talking about maxing out a single set of skills to level 5 and how long that takes in both games.

For Dust it's taking into account normal boosters, not omega.

For Eve online I'm taking into account +5 implants

So 1st lets talk Eve online. Lets say you just start a new character. And you want to train up every single ship skill in the game. Ammar, minmatar, caldari, and gallente. Getting the following skills to level 5. Frigate, Destroyer, Cruiser, Battlecruiser, Battleship.

This skill plan takes 13 months. 398days and 20 hours. Over a year! You unlock and max out 72 Ships.

Now on to Dust 514. So you start off a new character in Dust 514. You buy your boosters and you set off. You really fall in love with the logi and you choose to level up all 4 of the logi dropsuits to level 5. You want to unlock all 4 racial prototype suits. Each logi skill takes 3 months to level up to 5. * grumble* Unlike Eve online you can't even use the protosuit until it's level 5.

This skill plan takes 12 months, 365 days. You unlock 4 dropsuits.

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/04/19/ccp-shows-off-seven-years-of-dust-514-skill-training/

Um, you forget something basic here - for example there are 6 Minmatar frigates that have the same skill requirements, 6 Amarr frigates that have the same skill requirements, etc... and you are leaving out the variations of the Dust suits (standard/advanced/prototype). Your comparison is biased.

So please follow me here, as I'm only going to be talking about two entirely different things but equate them as the same thing as a means to make a point.

So whenever I try to make lasagna that **** takes like TWO hours to prepare and cook properly, but whenever I'm just making spaghetti it takes like 30 minutes. Seriously, I'm using the same ingredients. Why the hell am I having to spend so much time on something that's essentially the same thing? This is completely unjustified.

As such, I propose we rebalance lasagna's cook time to the same as spaghetti. I mean, I don't care to spend the time to actually learn the intricacies involved in each dish. I would much rather look at it superficially and use my all-knowing wisdom to decide what's right.

Look at all the sheep

Ok so if you only compare frigates to drop suits... to max out all 24 frigates for every race in the game it only takes 27 days. How it is justified that it takes 3 months to unlock 6 dropsuits, of a single race only, and only in a single class? Since 6 suits are mostly the same and have the same bonuses per level.

27 days to MAX OUT ALL FRIGATES
What is wrong with you people thinking the current design makes any sense!

The number 72 you gave is not just frigates; I didn't feel like listing out each number of each class of ship. Seriously though, if you want to compare - I would say light frames would be roughtly equivalent to small ships - ok we have 14 variants of suits currently vs however many frigates. The difference you are neglecting - it took CCP 10 years to introduce all of the Eve variants and you expect the light variants to have the same numbers after a year? You'r expectations are way off.

So please follow me here, as I'm only going to be talking about two entirely different things but equate them as the same thing as a means to make a point.

So whenever I try to make lasagna that **** takes like TWO hours to prepare and cook properly, but whenever I'm just making spaghetti it takes like 30 minutes. Seriously, I'm using the same ingredients. Why the hell am I having to spend so much time on something that's essentially the same thing? This is completely unjustified.

As such, I propose we rebalance lasagna's cook time to the same as spaghetti. I mean, I don't care to spend the time to actually learn the intricacies involved in each dish. I would much rather look at it superficially and use my all-knowing wisdom to decide what's right.

I guess what hes trying to say is its a ***** leveling in dust
My 2 cents

If you don't think that lasagna are worth the time invested you must be a really bad cook.
Same goes for dust/eve.
If you are not having fun why bother skilling/playing?

Also you deliperately failed to take into account all the different weapon sistems you would have to skill for each ship line (missiles, blaster, railgun, lasers, drones, proiectile). In dust you can skill just 1 weapon and use it with the same results on (almost) every suit.

It takes 1 year to unlock/maxout every single ship in the whole game

It takes 3 months to max out one suit skill in dust

It takes 1 year to unlock/maxout every single ship in the whole game

So please follow me here, as I'm only going to be talking about two entirely different things but equate them as the same thing as a means to make a point.

So whenever I try to make lasagna that **** takes like TWO hours to prepare and cook properly, but whenever I'm just making spaghetti it takes like 30 minutes. Seriously, I'm using the same ingredients. Why the hell am I having to spend so much time on something that's essentially the same thing? This is completely unjustified.

As such, I propose we rebalance lasagna's cook time to the same as spaghetti. I mean, I don't care to spend the time to actually learn the intricacies involved in each dish. I would much rather look at it superficially and use my all-knowing wisdom to decide what's right.

So much Bias.

So stout

Very Fierce

Wow.

First off Logistics is a Tech 2 from an eve perspective. (Specialist)

Anyways max theoretical SP rate in eve is about
66,528 a day.

So we got the following skills requirement

Starship command 4 (defaults at 1)
Amarr Frigate (2)
Amarr Destroyer (2)
Amarr Cruiser (5)
Amarr Battlecruiser (6)
Amarr Battleship (8)
Caldari Frigate (2)
Caldari Destroyer (2)
Caldari Cruiser (5)
Caldari Battlecruiser (6)
Caldari Battleship (8)
Gallente Frigate (2)
Gallente Destroyer(2)
Gallente Cruiser (5)
Gallente Battlecruiser (6)
Gallente Battleship (8)
Minmatar Frigate (2)
Minmatar Destroyer (2)
Minmatar Cruiser (5)
Minmatar Battlecruiser (6)
Minmatar Battleship (8)

93 Multiplier total

28,915,560 Million Skill points to max out tech 1 ships.

435 days with max attributes and implants

For all tech 1 suits in dust 514

Dropsuit command (1)
Amarr Heavy (4)
Amarr Medium (4)
Amarr Light (4)
Caldari Heavy (4)
Caldari Medium (4)
Caldari Light (4)
Gallente Heavy (4)
Gallente Medium (4)
Gallente Light (4)
Minmatar Heavy (4)
Minmatar Medium (4)
Minmatar Light (4)

49 Multiplier total

13,369,560 Skill point to max out all tech 1 suits with missing suits included.

24,000 passive skill points daily.

557 Days pure passive

24000 x 7 + 190400 Active Weekly Cap = 358,400 a week

37 Weeks or

259 Days without boosters capping every week.

With boosters

24,000 *1.5*7 + 190400*1.5 = 537600 points a week
24 weeks

or 174 days for all tech 1 suits and would be near equivalent to using implants in eve as implants are not given for free in eve either.

With omegas
24000 * 2 * 7 + 190400 * 2 = 716,800 a week

18.6 weeks
or
131 days

Oh and lets not forget the daily login
42,000 a week once maxed out.

13,369,560

So with daily login bonus
358,400 + 42,000 = 400,400 = 33 weeks = 234 days
537,600 + 42,000 = 579,600 = 23 weeks = 161 days Boosters
716,800 + 42,000 = 758,800 = 17 weeks = 123 days Omegas

These exclude support skills.

Not even checking the math. Just here to say that I respect you as a CPM. They made a good choice.

So please follow me here, as I'm only going to be talking about two entirely different things but equate them as the same thing as a means to make a point.

So whenever I try to make lasagna that **** takes like TWO hours to prepare and cook properly, but whenever I'm just making spaghetti it takes like 30 minutes. Seriously, I'm using the same ingredients. Why the hell am I having to spend so much time on something that's essentially the same thing? This is completely unjustified.

As such, I propose we rebalance lasagna's cook time to the same as spaghetti. I mean, I don't care to spend the time to actually learn the intricacies involved in each dish. I would much rather look at it superficially and use my all-knowing wisdom to decide what's right.

And just because its unlocked doesn't mean its useful at all. You need to unlock all of that ships weapons and mods and related skills in order for it to be decent.

but even then its still not good unless other things are unlocked to compliment it. 3 months for one dropsuit is probably a lot, but that probably directly correlates with the fact that theres like 12 dropsuits in the game, while theres hundreds of ships in EVE online.......

So please follow me here, as I'm only going to be talking about two entirely different things but equate them as the same thing as a means to make a point.

So whenever I try to make lasagna that **** takes like TWO hours to prepare and cook properly, but whenever I'm just making spaghetti it takes like 30 minutes. Seriously, I'm using the same ingredients. Why the hell am I having to spend so much time on something that's essentially the same thing? This is completely unjustified.

As such, I propose we rebalance lasagna's cook time to the same as spaghetti. I mean, I don't care to spend the time to actually learn the intricacies involved in each dish. I would much rather look at it superficially and use my all-knowing wisdom to decide what's right.