I have officially come to the conclusion that , me personally I'm going to stop using my tanks. They are worthless !!!!! All that time and energy spent fighting for the vehicle mods , to unlock the light vehicles and then the heavy attack vehicles ... It all seems like it REALLY wasn't worth it. They are useless and I wish that I could sell them to one of you. The meta levels are low to begin with. THESE ARE TANKS PEOPLE not cars. I believe that if this game had trucks , they would have a stronger meta level to begin with. One to start out with , even for a militia is TOO WEAK FOR A TANK. A tank is suppose to withstand punishment but the ones in this game are DEATH TRAPS and on top of that , you have to jump over Olympic hurdles to acquire them.

If meta level = strength then ALL TANKS should start out at least meta level three. With the things that one has to go threw to acquire a MADRUGAR and a GUNNLOGI they should automatically start at meta level five. If one has all or if not most of the mods that should bring it to seven and a militia to a five. That is not unreasonable. They are war machines not paper bags or origami. If the forces that went into IRAQ or AFGHANISTAN ( NO DISRESPECT INTENDED TO THE MEN AND WOMEN OF ALL MILITARIES ) with either one of those tanks in their arsenal that war would have definitely have went in another direction.

They start off at a level one. The CHARYBOIS is a level three and you unlock that before you can get either. That's just plain wrong !!!!!! This LAV is stronger than a tank .?. or better yet is made of a better quality ???? It's shield strength is in between both. You hit a MADRUGAR once and the shield goes almost half way down. From one blow. You can't place the mods that you like on either without sacrificing something in the way of repairers or actual shield or armor itself.

I can go on but I have written about this before. I'M TIRED !!!!! This is un called for and makes no since. The proto's cost a mountain but aren't made like one. Loose one of those and it's worst than these pilots when they talk about loosing a drop ship. Almost twice as worst. You win CCP. I don't or won't keep ringing the town bell upon deaf ears. I guess it was a false alarm.

Work for vehicle mods = tiring ... get the vehicles = worthless ... submit suggestions = priceless .... response = ?????

Thanks for the workout. I could have a proto suit or weapons with the skill points that I used during this adventure but I guess ... KNOWING IS HALF THE BATTLE.

Thanks anyway.

Hit and run. Tanks function perfectly in the hands of a skilled driver, just don't treat them like they're invincible and try to smash through the enemy team without fear.


...Not that it matters, CCP is planning a massive overhaul for all vehicles over the next few updates. So just wait and see

Also, there are no Proto tanks. I think you seriously don't understand the Meta level and what it means. Also, pretty sure a FG is designed to kill your tank.

Failing to see your problem the longer I spend trying to decipher your post...

While i do agree they are not as strong as they should be due to Proto AV (Because of the Murder taxi fiasco) I feel your approach was both negative and Not helpful. We all know CCP barely reads the forums.

You are merely seeking attention here because no one wants to listen to you whine in game.


CCP knows Vehicles are unbalanced and need to be rebuilt hence why they are fixing them in the coming updates.

However that will make no difference if they fail to fix the rendering/ draw distance issues.( Which causes the invisible swarms/ forge gunners.)


Any one can tank well if they know proper tactics and how to effectively attack your enemies and when to fall back

They also have made changes to Encourage Active module use over short bursts rather than large HP passive modules

In laments terms active modules are better than passive. meaning if you have armor plates instead of armor hardeners your going to have a much harder time tanking.

You clearly have no idea how to properly tank.


Your angry because you dont have enough pg/ cpu to fit everything on your tank.( which is a ridiculous reason to be upset.)


They announced several weeks ago the changes would be coming soon and gave us a rough examples of the coming changes.



Turret changes

http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/65170/1/Turret_Changes.png

Vehicle module changes
http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/65170/1/Module_Changes.png

Vehicle skill changes

http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/65170/1/Vehicle_Skill_Changes.png

Vehicle hull changes
http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/65170/1/Vehicle_Hull_Changes.png

Only issue with vehicle balance.

Vehicles are paper.

Vehicles have the same stats as before, but with more fitting resources.

Simple Answer. Return fitting resources.

Gunnlogi is inferior to Madrugar.

Simple answer. Increase natural shield regen so it's special trait can be maximized.

Tanking is boring.

Complex answer. The new ammo system they are giving vehicles.

While CCP has over complicated vehicle balance a tad, completely reworking it seems like a good idea.

If that's how you feel then I have to respect that. After matches I have received mail from NUMERIOUS people telling me how much they liked my tanks and to keep up the good work. You feel like I'm angry and you right. The vehicle mods were the FIRST thing that I worked on when I started because I knew what I was going to do. HAVE SOME OF THE BEST AND STRONGEST TANKS ON THIS GAME. I was not going to only protect my investment but I was aiming to protect those who ride with me as well. I wanted for those who play with me and see one of MY tanks dropping to begin to run over and fight just to ride with me. That was my goal and it still is. But I started out with the basics but with mods and the advances turrets added. It was fun but , getting hit ONCE or TWICE in a Soma or a Sica and you have to start to think about falling back. Even with mods.

All I'm saying is that ... you shouldn't have to do that !!!!!! Nothing should be indestructible but , IT'S A TANK DAMMIT. That's all I'm saying. It should be stronger. It should be a force on the battle field. Not if you get hit once or twice you have to turn to retreat. Where are you going to run to.??. your not fast ... and you shouldn't have to run so soon ... IT'S A TANK !!!!!

I LOVE Star Wars and one of my fav's in that series were the AT-AT's. Now they were weak seeing as how they were suppose to be an advanced infantry vehicle and yes they had good armor but , all you had to do was take out their legs and it was over for them. But when the rebel forces felt that ground shaking , they knew what was coming and that they had to start to make some type of battle plans on top of what they were trying to do. IT WAS A REAL GAME CHANGER. They were hit once and twice , the drivers didn't say , " oh now we have to withdraw " , no ... they kept moving forward. That's how these thank on this game should be !!!!!! THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING !!!!!

You can insult me all you like ... I don't know you and vise versa so REALLY what you have to say means nothing to me but I have to respect you. It was what I was taught and how I practice my life from what I have learned in teachings. But just because YOU don't understand what someone is saying and they don't agree with you and your ideal's doesn't mean that they were wrong to begin with. That's not understanding or the willingness to even try. Give me advice ... fine. Make suggestions ... fine. I will take that but when you speak about someone not understanding what THEY ARE SAYING that's crazy. NO YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND and that's what's bothering you. Why won't I see like you and get what YOUR trying to say ...???? ... it's probably because we are two different people.

This is how I feel. The tanks of this game are TOO WEAK !!! Just like pilots and heavies as well as logis or any other class I want people to get tanks , spend the time and effort to get the mods , be able to CUSTOMIZE their tanks and ENJOY driving. Check out some of the other post that I have put up about , adding more slots and if they are not willing to decrease the computer and programming usage of the mods and the turrets some , that they should increase the computer and programming capacity of the tanks. And KILL that ideal about turrets needing to be reloaded. This isn't the first time I have written about tanks. I just want this game to not be spoken about in the neg like I hear not only from this sight but from others as well from ex-players. I want this game to be GREAT and really GREAT , not just winning awards but crushing all others.

We all have ideals and they need to be listened to and RESPECTED and if CCP doesn't read these posts that we put up then we have a bigger problem and maybe it's time to back another game and stop making people who don't care RICH. There are enough of that type in the world TODAY.

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If that's how you feel then I have to respect that. After matches I have received mail from NUMERIOUS people telling me how much they liked my tanks and to keep up the good work. You feel like I'm angry and you right. The vehicle mods were the FIRST thing that I worked on when I started because I knew what I was going to do. HAVE SOME OF THE BEST AND STRONGEST TANKS ON THIS GAME. I was not going to only protect my investment but I was aiming to protect those who ride with me as well. I wanted for those who play with me and see one of MY tanks dropping to begin to run over and fight just to ride with me. That was my goal and it still is. But I started out with the basics but with mods and the advances turrets added. It was fun but , getting hit ONCE or TWICE in a Soma or a Sica and you have to start to think about falling back. Even with mods.

All I'm saying is that ... you shouldn't have to do that !!!!!! Nothing should be indestructible but , IT'S A TANK DAMMIT. That's all I'm saying. It should be stronger. It should be a force on the battle field. Not if you get hit once or twice you have to turn to retreat. Where are you going to run to.??. your not fast ... and you shouldn't have to run so soon ... IT'S A TANK !!!!!

I LOVE Star Wars and one of my fav's in that series were the AT-AT's. Now they were weak seeing as how they were suppose to be an advanced infantry vehicle and yes they had good armor but , all you had to do was take out their legs and it was over for them. But when the rebel forces felt that ground shaking , they knew what was coming and that they had to start to make some type of battle plans on top of what they were trying to do. IT WAS A REAL GAME CHANGER. They were hit once and twice , the drivers didn't say , " oh now we have to withdraw " , no ... they kept moving forward. That's how these thank on this game should be !!!!!! THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING !!!!!

You can insult me all you like ... I don't know you and vise versa so REALLY what you have to say means nothing to me but I have to respect you. It was what I was taught and how I practice my life from what I have learned in teachings. But just because YOU don't understand what someone is saying and they don't agree with you and your ideal's doesn't mean that they were wrong to begin with.

But yet in a separate channel that you yourself posted you complain about Team killing in faction warfare.

You specifically stated that you do not want to join squads that you do not want to use voice chat.

No tanker would not have people on voice comms assisting him at all times. You need to know where to hit. you need to be able to tell your squad where specific threats to you are. they are your support just as much as you are theirs. Without proper communication your useless as a tank. no matter how strong it is.

You can't expect To kill everything in your tank.

I did not insult you i merely pointed out the flaws in your tanking strategy of which you are abundant.

If you had clicked the links i provided you would have noticed that they ARE CHANGING VEHICLES


I am simply saying that your tanking method is not the best. clearly if it can only take 2 hits your doing something wrong.

I also highly doubt your tank has the most HP in the game.

Mine alone has over 11,000 HP and i have seen stronger.

I think you need to do more research into your tanking methods. You may be asking yourself why. Well i will tell you why.

It's because you think a militia tank is supposed to be amazing. The slot configuration plus the extremely low PG/CPU makes them not very good.

to make it simple

Proto AV verse miltia tank = 2 HIT killed

Proto AV VS adv tank = 6-9 hits before death

Proto AV VS Proto tank/fitting = challenging to kill.

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All I'm saying is that ... you shouldn't have to do that !!!!!! Nothing should be indestructible but , IT'S A TANK DAMMIT. That's all I'm saying. It should be stronger. It should be a force on the battle field. Not if you get hit once or twice you have to turn to retreat. Where are you going to run to.??. your not fast ... and you shouldn't have to run so soon ... IT'S A TANK !!!!!

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This is how I feel. The tanks of this game are TOO WEAK !!! Just like pilots and heavies as well as logis or any other class I want people to get tanks , spend the time and effort to get the mods , be able to CUSTOMIZE their tanks and ENJOY driving. Check out some of the other post that I have put up about , adding more slots and if they are not willing to decrease the computer and programming usage of the mods and the turrets some , that they should increase the computer and programming capacity of the tanks. And KILL that ideal about turrets needing to be reloaded. This isn't the first time I have written about tanks. I just want this game to not be spoken about in the neg like I hear not only from this sight but from others as well from ex-players. I want this game to be GREAT and really GREAT , not just winning awards but crushing all others.

We all have ideals and they need to be listened to and RESPECTED and if CCP doesn't read these posts that we put up then we have a bigger problem and maybe it's time to back another game and stop making people who don't care RICH. There are enough of that type in the world TODAY.

TRUE IN ALL YOU SAY !!!!! Except for the ammo and I like Gunnlogi's , a Madrugar can get hit once and that shield is toast. You like that armor I bet like most.