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Tectonic Fusion
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
405
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Posted - 2013.10.18 17:23:00 -
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I've been playing around with my dragonfly scout (so basic), and it works fine for sniping, nova knifing, scanning, and using the tactical assault rifle for it. I get a lot of kills with it because of it's strafe speed and speed in general, plus I can get away with my increased stamina. So my question is, what's underpowered about it? The only thing it could use is an extra equipment slot, and more CPU. |
Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
1205
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Posted - 2013.10.18 17:30:00 -
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1: Sniping can be done better by a medium suit
2: Winmatar Assaults can do nova knifing far easier
3: Scanning can be done better by logi's (Gallente Scouts really get hurt by this, as that's their EWAR)
4: speed can be matched or passed by a medium suit, as it's a very small difference (and they got more slots and CPU/PG, so they could fit better weapons at the same time).
5: Read #4 about the stamina
Now, What was that? |
Tectonic Fusion
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
405
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Posted - 2013.10.18 17:33:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:1: Sniping can be done better by a medium suit
2: Winmatar Assaults can do nova knifing far easier
3: Scanning can be done better by logi's (Gallente Scouts really get hurt by this, as that's their EWAR)
4: speed can be matched or passed by a medium suit, as it's a very small difference (and they got more slots and CPU/PG, so they could fit better weapons at the same time).
5: Read #4 about the stamina
Now, What was that? Meh. If you have prototype, you can surpass all my the scanning. And I snipe better because It says "SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED." You can know if someone is coming if you see that, and people tend to appear on your radar a lot more than medium suits. |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
1373
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Posted - 2013.10.18 17:39:00 -
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My Minmatar scout is often out sprinted by caldari assaults, minmatar assaults, and just about any logi with kin cats. Problem 1.
In order to beat a proto scanner my minmatar scout has to give up it's one available low slot that isn't reserved for a cpu extender due to the complete lack of CPU the suit has. This in turn makes me about as slow as my minmatar assault. Problem 2 which leads to problem 1. |
Tectonic Fusion
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
405
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Posted - 2013.10.18 17:40:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:My Minmatar scout is often out sprinted by caldari assaults, minmatar assaults, and just about any logi with kin cats. Problem 1.
In order to beat a proto scanner my minmatar scout has to give up it's one available low slot that isn't reserved for a cpu extender due to the complete lack of CPU the suit has. This in turn makes me about as slow as my minmatar assault. Problem 2 which leads to problem 1. That's why I said it needs more CPU... but I mean't like, besides that lol |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
1373
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Posted - 2013.10.18 17:43:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:My Minmatar scout is often out sprinted by caldari assaults, minmatar assaults, and just about any logi with kin cats. Problem 1.
In order to beat a proto scanner my minmatar scout has to give up it's one available low slot that isn't reserved for a cpu extender due to the complete lack of CPU the suit has. This in turn makes me about as slow as my minmatar assault. Problem 2 which leads to problem 1. That's why I said it needs more CPU... but I mean't like, besides that lol
So... whats wrong with a scout besides all the problems you listed? None because you listed all the problems. They're slow, weak, have crap slot layouts, and you can't fit anything on them. Besides that they're totally fine....? |
Tectonic Fusion
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
405
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Posted - 2013.10.18 17:45:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:My Minmatar scout is often out sprinted by caldari assaults, minmatar assaults, and just about any logi with kin cats. Problem 1.
In order to beat a proto scanner my minmatar scout has to give up it's one available low slot that isn't reserved for a cpu extender due to the complete lack of CPU the suit has. This in turn makes me about as slow as my minmatar assault. Problem 2 which leads to problem 1. That's why I said it needs more CPU... but I mean't like, besides that lol So... whats wrong with a scout besides all the problems you listed? None because you listed all the problems. They're slow, weak, have crap slot layouts, and you can't fit anything on them. Besides that they're totally fine....? If they had like 200 CPU on a basic and all the rest increased, they would be perfect because you could stack complex dampeners and still have room for a few complex damage mods/sidearm mods. |
Earl Crushinator
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
161
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Posted - 2013.10.18 17:49:00 -
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Increase the range of the passive scanner and it's scan resolution on all scout/light suits. |
Tectonic Fusion
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
405
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Posted - 2013.10.18 17:52:00 -
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Earl Crushinator wrote:Increase the range of the passive scanner and it's scan resolution on all scout/light suits. I think it needs to not be able to be scanned by scanners, or have the dB reduced to either 30 or 35. |
Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
1205
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Posted - 2013.10.18 17:57:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:1: Sniping can be done better by a medium suit
2: Winmatar Assaults can do nova knifing far easier
3: Scanning can be done better by logi's (Gallente Scouts really get hurt by this, as that's their EWAR)
4: speed can be matched or passed by a medium suit, as it's a very small difference (and they got more slots and CPU/PG, so they could fit better weapons at the same time).
5: Read #4 about the stamina
Now, What was that? Meh. If you have prototype, you can surpass all my the scanning. And I snipe better because It says "SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED." You can know if someone is coming if you see that, and people tend to appear on your radar a lot more than medium suits.
Someone would have a far easier time counter sniping you than the opposite way around, scanner or not. Plus, you would need PROTO dampeners on a PROTO suit to avoid a PROTO scanner, so then an even easier time. Oh, and this is for only Gallente scouts. Amarr, Caldari, and Winmatar Scouts are screwed. |
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
1332
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Posted - 2013.10.18 17:58:00 -
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If the base scan range on Scouts was increased from 10 to 15, then Gallente Scouts would be able to push that range out to something useful without having to equip modules to do it.
Then add some more CPU and that would be a great start.
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Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
1206
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Posted - 2013.10.18 17:58:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:My Minmatar scout is often out sprinted by caldari assaults, minmatar assaults, and just about any logi with kin cats. Problem 1.
In order to beat a proto scanner my minmatar scout has to give up it's one available low slot that isn't reserved for a cpu extender due to the complete lack of CPU the suit has. This in turn makes me about as slow as my minmatar assault. Problem 2 which leads to problem 1.
Those aren't PROTO though...... Advanced, yea, but PROTO? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA no. |
knight of 6
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
416
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Posted - 2013.10.18 18:00:00 -
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what is it exactly that scout suits can do better that any other suit?
heavies get heavy weapons logis get lots of equipment assault suits get a good slot layout and great ehp and damage without sacrificing mobility scouts get at proto level a minor speed buff or it takes a proto scanner to see it unless the enemy has LoS or the suit is near an installation |
Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
491
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Posted - 2013.10.18 18:01:00 -
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whats wrong is that they cost 150k isk + at proto level with no marginable increase in survivability. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
6144
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Posted - 2013.10.18 18:25:00 -
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Scouts need: -This game to run at 60 FPS so they can have their Uprising 1.0 speed back -The shotgun and nova knives to have better hit detection -A second equipment slot with more CPU/PG -Cloaking -More non combat roles on the battlefield like tackling, sabotage, and additional EWAR |
Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
1207
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Posted - 2013.10.18 18:33:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Scouts need: -This game to run at 60 FPS so they can have their Uprising 1.0 speed back -The shotgun and nova knives to have better hit detection -A second equipment slot with more CPU/PG -Cloaking -More non combat roles on the battlefield like tackling, sabotage, and additional EWAR
Don't forget about passive scanners actually being useful |
DTOracle
The Surrogates Of War
138
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Posted - 2013.10.18 18:48:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:If they had like 200 CPU on a basic and all the rest increased, they would be perfect because you could stack complex dampeners and still have room for a few complex damage mods/sidearm mods. There is currently no good reason for a scout to spec into complex dampeners. You should save your SP for Proto scout suit or anything else useful. At lvl 5 scout & lvl 3 dampening, you will beat all but the one meta 8 scanner that almost no one uses. & then all you need is a Adv dampener & your a ghost again. The additional 10% passive bonus you get from lvl 5 dampening vs lvl 3, will not reduce your profile enough to matter. you will still need a dampener to beat the meta 8 scanner, so why waste the SP? Just some advice |
Tectonic Fusion
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
407
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Posted - 2013.10.18 18:49:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Scouts need: -This game to run at 60 FPS so they can have their Uprising 1.0 speed back -The shotgun and nova knives to have better hit detection -A second equipment slot with more CPU/PG -Cloaking -More non combat roles on the battlefield like tackling, sabotage, and additional EWAR
Edit: Passive scanning needs to be useful for scouts as well. Yesh. |
Dominus Fatali
Nox Aeterna Security
394
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Posted - 2013.10.18 19:36:00 -
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Earl Crushinator wrote:Increase the range of the passive scanner and it's scan resolution on all scout/light suits. Base of 20 for Lights, 15 for Mediums, 10 for Heavy Frames. Please CCP? |
Tectonic Fusion
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
407
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Posted - 2013.10.18 19:37:00 -
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Dominus Fatali wrote:Earl Crushinator wrote:Increase the range of the passive scanner and it's scan resolution on all scout/light suits. Base of 20 for Lights, 15 for Mediums, 10 for Heavy Frames. Please CCP? Meh. |
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Elitist Ultima
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2013.10.18 19:38:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:Dominus Fatali wrote:Earl Crushinator wrote:Increase the range of the passive scanner and it's scan resolution on all scout/light suits. Base of 20 for Lights, 15 for Mediums, 10 for Heavy Frames. Please CCP? Meh. Meh. |
Dominus Fatali
Nox Aeterna Security
396
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Posted - 2013.10.18 19:39:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:Dominus Fatali wrote:Earl Crushinator wrote:Increase the range of the passive scanner and it's scan resolution on all scout/light suits. Base of 20 for Lights, 15 for Mediums, 10 for Heavy Frames. Please CCP? Meh. I'm a level V Gallente Scout. 15 meters is hilariously small; it isn't even to the smallest circle on the radar thingy. |
DJINN Marauder
Ancient Exiles
1991
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Posted - 2013.10.18 19:45:00 -
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The reason scouts need a buff is because assault/logi do all the scout roles just as good if not better.
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
1835
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Posted - 2013.10.18 19:57:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote: . . . The only thing it could use is an extra equipment slot, and more CPU.
Kinda answered your own question there buddy. |
Tectonic Fusion
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
407
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Posted - 2013.10.18 19:59:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote: . . . The only thing it could use is an extra equipment slot, and more CPU. Kinda answered your own question there buddy. Meh. That can't possibly be the only thing it needs to be OP again. It needs to run as fast as a tank/slow LAV, be undetectable by anything unless you're looking directly at him, and a 10 meter scan radius |
Luk Manag
of Terror TRE GAFFEL
132
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Posted - 2013.10.18 20:07:00 -
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Dominus Fatali wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:Dominus Fatali wrote:Earl Crushinator wrote:Increase the range of the passive scanner and it's scan resolution on all scout/light suits. Base of 20 for Lights, 15 for Mediums, 10 for Heavy Frames. Please CCP? Meh. I'm a level V Gallente Scout. 15 meters is hilariously small; it isn't even to the smallest circle on the radar thingy.
Yep, a scout in name only. They need a pretty big advantage to make up for the EHP disadvantage. They could be cheaper (much less ISK), or have significant innate scan range, equipment slots, cloaking, or something...otherwise you might as well run an assault suit.
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Dominus Fatali
Nox Aeterna Security
400
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Posted - 2013.10.18 20:30:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote: . . . The only thing it could use is an extra equipment slot, and more CPU. Kinda answered your own question there buddy. Meh. That can't possibly be the only thing it needs to be OP again. It needs to run as fast as a tank/slow LAV, be undetectable by anything unless you're looking directly at him, and a 10 meter scan radius 10 meters? Maybe if the other suits were 5. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
6148
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Posted - 2013.10.18 20:32:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:The reason scouts need a buff is because assault/logi do all the scout roles just as good if not better.
Minmatar logi makes a good scout, but both the logi and assault play like scout hybrids with their low EHP in exchange for speed. Pretty much working as intended. Scouts have very minimal gains for the EHP they give up. This has nothing to do with logisitcs suits. |
Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
1211
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Posted - 2013.10.18 21:23:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:The reason scouts need a buff is because assault/logi do all the scout roles just as good if not better.
Minmatar logi makes a good scout, but both the logi and assault play like scout hybrids with their low EHP in exchange for speed. Pretty much working as intended. Scouts have very minimal gains for the EHP they give up. This has nothing to do with logisitcs suits.
Agreed. All they need is better base stats (don't touch eHP), and another eq. slot, and cloaking, as well as EWAR (with bonuses for the racial preferred EWAR), then they'll be perfect. |
Bojo The Mighty
Zanzibar Concept
2218
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Posted - 2013.10.18 22:15:00 -
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A few problems:
Speed Gap is too small to warrant the nerfed areas, there's a few threads on this subject "Scout in a Pocket" or the Active Scanner, really takes the place of Gallente Scout usefulness. Minmatar Scouts lose racial benefits when they do not fit Nova Knives (because the scout melee is weakest melee anyway). Scouts do not get better with progression, they, by comparison, become worse. Not to say you can't mop up with Proto Scout, but it's like buying a $12000 glass vase. Lack of module space. - The Minmatar medium is the fastest but weakest medium frame yet it doesn't lose module space as well as HP to become faster.
The role of the scout does not exist in the game. What is there to be seen that can not be seen with an Active Scanner or Overview map. And the scout can only hide in terms of Radar, LOS beats scout every time.
So yeah, the G-1 is rightly fun, most bang for your buck. Get to G/1 and it's like "Boy, I wish I had a 3rd low slot...because my gimped CPU does not support high slots".
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Powerh8er
Norwegian Dust514 Corporation Top Men.
147
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Posted - 2013.10.18 22:27:00 -
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The scoutsuits need a price reduction. They are basically a leatherjacket., so why do they cost the same as other suits? |
Phazoid
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
62
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Posted - 2013.10.18 23:15:00 -
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the isk price will not change, and i agree with that, now scouts need a base speed that is by far superior to other classes, as well as a faster strafe, and of course cloaking, the role of the scout is simple, it is based on steath, we excel at assassination( which is my style), EWAR, hacking, scanning, but the real deal is that there is not a single thing designed for scouts, silenced weapons, back nova knifes assassinations (Killzone 3 style, only for scouts), PASSIVE cloaking, radar scramblers, mines, jump packs, grappling hooks, i mean scouts are hunters, we stalk you for satan sakes, people should have nightmares of us!!!, they should scream like little girls when they turn and see us at 3 meters |
Nyra Volki
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
58
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Posted - 2013.10.18 23:28:00 -
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So i'm a scout and the only buff we need is 1more meter per second sprint speed and a base scan range of 15 or 20 meters. We don't need a cpu upgrade or dampener boost. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
6158
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Posted - 2013.10.18 23:31:00 -
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Nyra Volki wrote:So i'm a scout and the only buff we need is 1more meter per second sprint speed and a base scan range of 15 or 20 meters. We don't need a cpu upgrade or dampener boost. When you're getting a buffet for dollar menu price, you don't complain. |
Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
1218
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Posted - 2013.10.19 07:16:00 -
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Phazoid wrote:the isk price will not change, and i agree with that, now scouts need a base speed that is by far superior to other classes, as well as a faster strafe, and of course cloaking, the role of the scout is simple, it is based on steath, we excel at assassination( which is my style), EWAR, hacking, scanning, but the real deal is that there is not a single thing designed for scouts, silenced weapons, back nova knifes assassinations (Killzone 3 style, only for scouts), PASSIVE cloaking, radar scramblers, mines, jump packs, grappling hooks, i mean scouts are hunters, we stalk you for satan sakes, people should have nightmares of us!!!, they should scream like little girls when they turn and see us at 3 meters
Scanning is EWAR by the way |
Sleepy Zan
Sumar Gorp
2562
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Posted - 2013.10.19 07:27:00 -
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I miss my E3 scout now that I think about it |
HowDidThatTaste
Ancient Exiles
3843
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Posted - 2013.10.19 07:32:00 -
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Sleepy Zan wrote:I miss my E3 scout now that I think about it
I have been sniping. With the Thales. WOW!
But sleepy is the only sniper that quick scoped me ever from 4 yards time and time again. |
crazy space 1
Unkn0wn Killers
1860
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Posted - 2013.10.19 08:28:00 -
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scouts just all need 2 more slots
remember when we got an extra equipment slot? All scouts should get one more high/low slot and a second equipment slot. |
Borne Velvalor
BLACK-DRAGON-SOCIETY
758
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Posted - 2013.10.19 10:20:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:I've been playing around with my dragonfly scout (so basic), and it works fine for sniping, nova knifing, scanning, and using the tactical assault rifle for it. I get a lot of kills with it because of it's strafe speed and speed in general, plus I can get away with my increased stamina. So my question is, what's underpowered about it? The only thing it could use is an extra equipment slot, and more CPU.
Look at that Minmatar Assault. 25% more ammo per side arm clip, similar movement speed to a Gallente Scout, a nice 5 highs and 2 lows (2 more highs than Minmatar Scout), more PG/CPU to play with, higher base shields and higher base armor. If you need some more speed, slap a Kinectic on it. You've got all those highs to play with. Fill them up with Extenders and Damage Mods and you can be fast and lethal at the same time.
Oh, sorry, we were talking about the Scout. |
Oswald Rehnquist
Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance
313
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Posted - 2013.10.19 11:55:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:My Minmatar scout is often out sprinted by caldari assaults, minmatar assaults, and just about any logi with kin cats. Problem 1.
In order to beat a proto scanner my minmatar scout has to give up it's one available low slot that isn't reserved for a cpu extender due to the complete lack of CPU the suit has. This in turn makes me about as slow as my minmatar assault. Problem 2 which leads to problem 1. That's why I said it needs more CPU... but I mean't like, besides that lol
You misread this one because it is also a slot allocation issue as well, mediums are 7/6, scouts are 5/4, with less cpu per slot, so we are not even more efficient with the fewer slots that we are given. Also CPU/PG and slots are everything in this game, so don't play dumb because the last bit left are passive stats which the scout is not very impressive in since they can be pretty much breached by the two slot gap.
The most noticeable thing is that upgrading the scout line has very little effect on game play, which is contrary to how medium frames play, which I am thankful for because I too am using the dragonfly because I am holding off for future content, yet I am able to keep up with other scouts.
A low slot focused medium frame operates as a very good scout with the Gal Logis becoming the new scout, especially since active scanners (scout in a pocket) are more wp friendly and have team potential, without having to sacrifice utility and hp. A low slot focused medium is also always a better sniper, better alpha damage from damage mods with enough damps to go below the 30's needed to escape all but one active scanner, even if they did this, they would still out EHP the scout and be able to take a counter snipe.
And the biggest thing of all you missed, your playing pubs, I can play starter fits and go positive in pubs, doesn't really mean starter fits are balanced. Go play matches were it gets serious, pc matches and see how well you play as a scout.
The stupid stuff you can get away with in pubs doesn't work with veterans, and in those matches one death equals one death, so with scouts fragile nature they really need to do a lot with a lot less, but as it stands their utility with that one clone count is not at all comparable to what a medium frame can do with it. While we are not asking to make us assaulting machines or more EHP, we do need a unique role like how Sentinels have heavy weapons which mediums can't touch or copy. That is all that is being asked for. |
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Tectonic Fusion
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
407
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Posted - 2013.10.19 16:39:00 -
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Dominus Fatali wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote: . . . The only thing it could use is an extra equipment slot, and more CPU. Kinda answered your own question there buddy. Meh. That can't possibly be the only thing it needs to be OP again. It needs to run as fast as a tank/slow LAV, be undetectable by anything unless you're looking directly at him, and a 10 meter scan radius 10 meters? Maybe if the other suits were 5. Oops I meant +10 meters. |
Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
586
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Posted - 2013.10.19 16:42:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:My Minmatar scout is often out sprinted by caldari assaults, minmatar assaults, and just about any logi with kin cats. Problem 1.
In order to beat a proto scanner my minmatar scout has to give up it's one available low slot that isn't reserved for a cpu extender due to the complete lack of CPU the suit has. This in turn makes me about as slow as my minmatar assault. Problem 2 which leads to problem 1. That's why I said it needs more CPU... but I mean't like, besides that lol So... whats wrong with a scout besides all the problems you listed? None because you listed all the problems. They're slow, weak, have crap slot layouts, and you can't fit anything on them. Besides that they're totally fine....? If they had like 200 CPU on a basic and all the rest increased, they would be perfect because you could stack complex dampeners and still have room for a few complex damage mods/sidearm mods.
Yeah, which is great but they still would be weaker than other suits. Otherwise they are fine, nothing is wrong with them. |
Tectonic Fusion
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
407
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Posted - 2013.10.19 16:47:00 -
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Oswald Rehnquist wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:My Minmatar scout is often out sprinted by caldari assaults, minmatar assaults, and just about any logi with kin cats. Problem 1.
In order to beat a proto scanner my minmatar scout has to give up it's one available low slot that isn't reserved for a cpu extender due to the complete lack of CPU the suit has. This in turn makes me about as slow as my minmatar assault. Problem 2 which leads to problem 1. That's why I said it needs more CPU... but I mean't like, besides that lol You misread this one because it is also a slot allocation issue as well, mediums are 7/6, scouts are 5/4, with less cpu per slot, so we are not even more efficient with the fewer slots that we are given. Also CPU/PG and slots are everything in this game, so don't play dumb because the last bit left are passive stats which the scout is not very impressive in since they can be pretty much breached by the two slot gap. The most noticeable thing is that upgrading the scout line has very little effect on game play, which is contrary to how medium frames play, which I am thankful for because I too am using the dragonfly because I am holding off for future content, yet I am able to keep up with other scouts. A low slot focused medium frame operates as a very good scout with the Gal Logis becoming the new scout, especially since active scanners (scout in a pocket) are more wp friendly and have team potential, without having to sacrifice utility and hp. A low slot focused medium is also always a better sniper, better alpha damage from damage mods with enough damps to go below the 30's needed to escape all but one active scanner, even if they did this, they would still out EHP the scout and be able to take a counter snipe. And the biggest thing of all you missed, your playing pubs, I can play starter fits and go positive in pubs, doesn't really mean starter fits are balanced. Go play matches were it gets serious, pc matches and see how well you play as a scout. The stupid stuff you can get away with in pubs doesn't work with veterans, and in those matches one death equals one death, so with scouts fragile nature they really need to do a lot with a lot less, but as it stands their utility with that one clone count is not at all comparable to what a medium frame can do with it. While we are not asking to make us assaulting machines or more EHP, we do need a unique role like how Sentinels have heavy weapons which mediums can't touch or copy. That is all that is being asked for. Due it's kinda obvious I would fail in PC using a basic suit...I would fail less if I had core grenades, Proto Nova knives and proto scout. |
Phazoid
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
66
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Posted - 2013.10.19 18:50:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Phazoid wrote:the isk price will not change, and i agree with that, now scouts need a base speed that is by far superior to other classes, as well as a faster strafe, and of course cloaking, the role of the scout is simple, it is based on steath, we excel at assassination( which is my style), EWAR, hacking, scanning, but the real deal is that there is not a single thing designed for scouts, silenced weapons, back nova knifes assassinations (Killzone 3 style, only for scouts), PASSIVE cloaking, radar scramblers, mines, jump packs, grappling hooks, i mean scouts are hunters, we stalk you for satan sakes, people should have nightmares of us!!!, they should scream like little girls when they turn and see us at 3 meters Scanning is EWAR by the way
Noted, thanks you |
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