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Powerh8er
Norwegian Dust514 Corporation Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.10.18 22:27:00 -
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The scoutsuits need a price reduction. They are basically a leatherjacket., so why do they cost the same as other suits? |
Phazoid
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
62
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Posted - 2013.10.18 23:15:00 -
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the isk price will not change, and i agree with that, now scouts need a base speed that is by far superior to other classes, as well as a faster strafe, and of course cloaking, the role of the scout is simple, it is based on steath, we excel at assassination( which is my style), EWAR, hacking, scanning, but the real deal is that there is not a single thing designed for scouts, silenced weapons, back nova knifes assassinations (Killzone 3 style, only for scouts), PASSIVE cloaking, radar scramblers, mines, jump packs, grappling hooks, i mean scouts are hunters, we stalk you for satan sakes, people should have nightmares of us!!!, they should scream like little girls when they turn and see us at 3 meters |
Nyra Volki
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.10.18 23:28:00 -
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So i'm a scout and the only buff we need is 1more meter per second sprint speed and a base scan range of 15 or 20 meters. We don't need a cpu upgrade or dampener boost. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
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Posted - 2013.10.18 23:31:00 -
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Nyra Volki wrote:So i'm a scout and the only buff we need is 1more meter per second sprint speed and a base scan range of 15 or 20 meters. We don't need a cpu upgrade or dampener boost. When you're getting a buffet for dollar menu price, you don't complain. |
Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.10.19 07:16:00 -
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Phazoid wrote:the isk price will not change, and i agree with that, now scouts need a base speed that is by far superior to other classes, as well as a faster strafe, and of course cloaking, the role of the scout is simple, it is based on steath, we excel at assassination( which is my style), EWAR, hacking, scanning, but the real deal is that there is not a single thing designed for scouts, silenced weapons, back nova knifes assassinations (Killzone 3 style, only for scouts), PASSIVE cloaking, radar scramblers, mines, jump packs, grappling hooks, i mean scouts are hunters, we stalk you for satan sakes, people should have nightmares of us!!!, they should scream like little girls when they turn and see us at 3 meters
Scanning is EWAR by the way |
Sleepy Zan
Sumar Gorp
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Posted - 2013.10.19 07:27:00 -
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I miss my E3 scout now that I think about it |
HowDidThatTaste
Ancient Exiles
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Posted - 2013.10.19 07:32:00 -
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Sleepy Zan wrote:I miss my E3 scout now that I think about it
I have been sniping. With the Thales. WOW!
But sleepy is the only sniper that quick scoped me ever from 4 yards time and time again. |
crazy space 1
Unkn0wn Killers
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Posted - 2013.10.19 08:28:00 -
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scouts just all need 2 more slots
remember when we got an extra equipment slot? All scouts should get one more high/low slot and a second equipment slot. |
Borne Velvalor
BLACK-DRAGON-SOCIETY
758
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Posted - 2013.10.19 10:20:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:I've been playing around with my dragonfly scout (so basic), and it works fine for sniping, nova knifing, scanning, and using the tactical assault rifle for it. I get a lot of kills with it because of it's strafe speed and speed in general, plus I can get away with my increased stamina. So my question is, what's underpowered about it? The only thing it could use is an extra equipment slot, and more CPU.
Look at that Minmatar Assault. 25% more ammo per side arm clip, similar movement speed to a Gallente Scout, a nice 5 highs and 2 lows (2 more highs than Minmatar Scout), more PG/CPU to play with, higher base shields and higher base armor. If you need some more speed, slap a Kinectic on it. You've got all those highs to play with. Fill them up with Extenders and Damage Mods and you can be fast and lethal at the same time.
Oh, sorry, we were talking about the Scout. |
Oswald Rehnquist
Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance
313
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Posted - 2013.10.19 11:55:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:My Minmatar scout is often out sprinted by caldari assaults, minmatar assaults, and just about any logi with kin cats. Problem 1.
In order to beat a proto scanner my minmatar scout has to give up it's one available low slot that isn't reserved for a cpu extender due to the complete lack of CPU the suit has. This in turn makes me about as slow as my minmatar assault. Problem 2 which leads to problem 1. That's why I said it needs more CPU... but I mean't like, besides that lol
You misread this one because it is also a slot allocation issue as well, mediums are 7/6, scouts are 5/4, with less cpu per slot, so we are not even more efficient with the fewer slots that we are given. Also CPU/PG and slots are everything in this game, so don't play dumb because the last bit left are passive stats which the scout is not very impressive in since they can be pretty much breached by the two slot gap.
The most noticeable thing is that upgrading the scout line has very little effect on game play, which is contrary to how medium frames play, which I am thankful for because I too am using the dragonfly because I am holding off for future content, yet I am able to keep up with other scouts.
A low slot focused medium frame operates as a very good scout with the Gal Logis becoming the new scout, especially since active scanners (scout in a pocket) are more wp friendly and have team potential, without having to sacrifice utility and hp. A low slot focused medium is also always a better sniper, better alpha damage from damage mods with enough damps to go below the 30's needed to escape all but one active scanner, even if they did this, they would still out EHP the scout and be able to take a counter snipe.
And the biggest thing of all you missed, your playing pubs, I can play starter fits and go positive in pubs, doesn't really mean starter fits are balanced. Go play matches were it gets serious, pc matches and see how well you play as a scout.
The stupid stuff you can get away with in pubs doesn't work with veterans, and in those matches one death equals one death, so with scouts fragile nature they really need to do a lot with a lot less, but as it stands their utility with that one clone count is not at all comparable to what a medium frame can do with it. While we are not asking to make us assaulting machines or more EHP, we do need a unique role like how Sentinels have heavy weapons which mediums can't touch or copy. That is all that is being asked for. |
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Tectonic Fusion
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
407
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Posted - 2013.10.19 16:39:00 -
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Dominus Fatali wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote: . . . The only thing it could use is an extra equipment slot, and more CPU. Kinda answered your own question there buddy. Meh. That can't possibly be the only thing it needs to be OP again. It needs to run as fast as a tank/slow LAV, be undetectable by anything unless you're looking directly at him, and a 10 meter scan radius 10 meters? Maybe if the other suits were 5. Oops I meant +10 meters. |
Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
586
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Posted - 2013.10.19 16:42:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:My Minmatar scout is often out sprinted by caldari assaults, minmatar assaults, and just about any logi with kin cats. Problem 1.
In order to beat a proto scanner my minmatar scout has to give up it's one available low slot that isn't reserved for a cpu extender due to the complete lack of CPU the suit has. This in turn makes me about as slow as my minmatar assault. Problem 2 which leads to problem 1. That's why I said it needs more CPU... but I mean't like, besides that lol So... whats wrong with a scout besides all the problems you listed? None because you listed all the problems. They're slow, weak, have crap slot layouts, and you can't fit anything on them. Besides that they're totally fine....? If they had like 200 CPU on a basic and all the rest increased, they would be perfect because you could stack complex dampeners and still have room for a few complex damage mods/sidearm mods.
Yeah, which is great but they still would be weaker than other suits. Otherwise they are fine, nothing is wrong with them. |
Tectonic Fusion
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
407
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Posted - 2013.10.19 16:47:00 -
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Oswald Rehnquist wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:My Minmatar scout is often out sprinted by caldari assaults, minmatar assaults, and just about any logi with kin cats. Problem 1.
In order to beat a proto scanner my minmatar scout has to give up it's one available low slot that isn't reserved for a cpu extender due to the complete lack of CPU the suit has. This in turn makes me about as slow as my minmatar assault. Problem 2 which leads to problem 1. That's why I said it needs more CPU... but I mean't like, besides that lol You misread this one because it is also a slot allocation issue as well, mediums are 7/6, scouts are 5/4, with less cpu per slot, so we are not even more efficient with the fewer slots that we are given. Also CPU/PG and slots are everything in this game, so don't play dumb because the last bit left are passive stats which the scout is not very impressive in since they can be pretty much breached by the two slot gap. The most noticeable thing is that upgrading the scout line has very little effect on game play, which is contrary to how medium frames play, which I am thankful for because I too am using the dragonfly because I am holding off for future content, yet I am able to keep up with other scouts. A low slot focused medium frame operates as a very good scout with the Gal Logis becoming the new scout, especially since active scanners (scout in a pocket) are more wp friendly and have team potential, without having to sacrifice utility and hp. A low slot focused medium is also always a better sniper, better alpha damage from damage mods with enough damps to go below the 30's needed to escape all but one active scanner, even if they did this, they would still out EHP the scout and be able to take a counter snipe. And the biggest thing of all you missed, your playing pubs, I can play starter fits and go positive in pubs, doesn't really mean starter fits are balanced. Go play matches were it gets serious, pc matches and see how well you play as a scout. The stupid stuff you can get away with in pubs doesn't work with veterans, and in those matches one death equals one death, so with scouts fragile nature they really need to do a lot with a lot less, but as it stands their utility with that one clone count is not at all comparable to what a medium frame can do with it. While we are not asking to make us assaulting machines or more EHP, we do need a unique role like how Sentinels have heavy weapons which mediums can't touch or copy. That is all that is being asked for. Due it's kinda obvious I would fail in PC using a basic suit...I would fail less if I had core grenades, Proto Nova knives and proto scout. |
Phazoid
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
66
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Posted - 2013.10.19 18:50:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Phazoid wrote:the isk price will not change, and i agree with that, now scouts need a base speed that is by far superior to other classes, as well as a faster strafe, and of course cloaking, the role of the scout is simple, it is based on steath, we excel at assassination( which is my style), EWAR, hacking, scanning, but the real deal is that there is not a single thing designed for scouts, silenced weapons, back nova knifes assassinations (Killzone 3 style, only for scouts), PASSIVE cloaking, radar scramblers, mines, jump packs, grappling hooks, i mean scouts are hunters, we stalk you for satan sakes, people should have nightmares of us!!!, they should scream like little girls when they turn and see us at 3 meters Scanning is EWAR by the way
Noted, thanks you |
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