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Tectonic Fusion
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Posted - 2013.10.18 17:23:00 -
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I've been playing around with my dragonfly scout (so basic), and it works fine for sniping, nova knifing, scanning, and using the tactical assault rifle for it. I get a lot of kills with it because of it's strafe speed and speed in general, plus I can get away with my increased stamina. So my question is, what's underpowered about it? The only thing it could use is an extra equipment slot, and more CPU. |
Tectonic Fusion
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.10.18 17:33:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:1: Sniping can be done better by a medium suit
2: Winmatar Assaults can do nova knifing far easier
3: Scanning can be done better by logi's (Gallente Scouts really get hurt by this, as that's their EWAR)
4: speed can be matched or passed by a medium suit, as it's a very small difference (and they got more slots and CPU/PG, so they could fit better weapons at the same time).
5: Read #4 about the stamina
Now, What was that? Meh. If you have prototype, you can surpass all my the scanning. And I snipe better because It says "SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED." You can know if someone is coming if you see that, and people tend to appear on your radar a lot more than medium suits. |
Tectonic Fusion
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.10.18 17:40:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:My Minmatar scout is often out sprinted by caldari assaults, minmatar assaults, and just about any logi with kin cats. Problem 1.
In order to beat a proto scanner my minmatar scout has to give up it's one available low slot that isn't reserved for a cpu extender due to the complete lack of CPU the suit has. This in turn makes me about as slow as my minmatar assault. Problem 2 which leads to problem 1. That's why I said it needs more CPU... but I mean't like, besides that lol |
Tectonic Fusion
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.10.18 17:45:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:My Minmatar scout is often out sprinted by caldari assaults, minmatar assaults, and just about any logi with kin cats. Problem 1.
In order to beat a proto scanner my minmatar scout has to give up it's one available low slot that isn't reserved for a cpu extender due to the complete lack of CPU the suit has. This in turn makes me about as slow as my minmatar assault. Problem 2 which leads to problem 1. That's why I said it needs more CPU... but I mean't like, besides that lol So... whats wrong with a scout besides all the problems you listed? None because you listed all the problems. They're slow, weak, have crap slot layouts, and you can't fit anything on them. Besides that they're totally fine....? If they had like 200 CPU on a basic and all the rest increased, they would be perfect because you could stack complex dampeners and still have room for a few complex damage mods/sidearm mods. |
Tectonic Fusion
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.10.18 17:52:00 -
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Earl Crushinator wrote:Increase the range of the passive scanner and it's scan resolution on all scout/light suits. I think it needs to not be able to be scanned by scanners, or have the dB reduced to either 30 or 35. |
Tectonic Fusion
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Posted - 2013.10.18 18:49:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Scouts need: -This game to run at 60 FPS so they can have their Uprising 1.0 speed back -The shotgun and nova knives to have better hit detection -A second equipment slot with more CPU/PG -Cloaking -More non combat roles on the battlefield like tackling, sabotage, and additional EWAR
Edit: Passive scanning needs to be useful for scouts as well. Yesh. |
Tectonic Fusion
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Posted - 2013.10.18 19:37:00 -
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Dominus Fatali wrote:Earl Crushinator wrote:Increase the range of the passive scanner and it's scan resolution on all scout/light suits. Base of 20 for Lights, 15 for Mediums, 10 for Heavy Frames. Please CCP? Meh. |
Tectonic Fusion
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Posted - 2013.10.18 19:59:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote: . . . The only thing it could use is an extra equipment slot, and more CPU. Kinda answered your own question there buddy. Meh. That can't possibly be the only thing it needs to be OP again. It needs to run as fast as a tank/slow LAV, be undetectable by anything unless you're looking directly at him, and a 10 meter scan radius |
Tectonic Fusion
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Posted - 2013.10.19 16:39:00 -
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Dominus Fatali wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote: . . . The only thing it could use is an extra equipment slot, and more CPU. Kinda answered your own question there buddy. Meh. That can't possibly be the only thing it needs to be OP again. It needs to run as fast as a tank/slow LAV, be undetectable by anything unless you're looking directly at him, and a 10 meter scan radius 10 meters? Maybe if the other suits were 5. Oops I meant +10 meters. |
Tectonic Fusion
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Posted - 2013.10.19 16:47:00 -
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Oswald Rehnquist wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:My Minmatar scout is often out sprinted by caldari assaults, minmatar assaults, and just about any logi with kin cats. Problem 1.
In order to beat a proto scanner my minmatar scout has to give up it's one available low slot that isn't reserved for a cpu extender due to the complete lack of CPU the suit has. This in turn makes me about as slow as my minmatar assault. Problem 2 which leads to problem 1. That's why I said it needs more CPU... but I mean't like, besides that lol You misread this one because it is also a slot allocation issue as well, mediums are 7/6, scouts are 5/4, with less cpu per slot, so we are not even more efficient with the fewer slots that we are given. Also CPU/PG and slots are everything in this game, so don't play dumb because the last bit left are passive stats which the scout is not very impressive in since they can be pretty much breached by the two slot gap. The most noticeable thing is that upgrading the scout line has very little effect on game play, which is contrary to how medium frames play, which I am thankful for because I too am using the dragonfly because I am holding off for future content, yet I am able to keep up with other scouts. A low slot focused medium frame operates as a very good scout with the Gal Logis becoming the new scout, especially since active scanners (scout in a pocket) are more wp friendly and have team potential, without having to sacrifice utility and hp. A low slot focused medium is also always a better sniper, better alpha damage from damage mods with enough damps to go below the 30's needed to escape all but one active scanner, even if they did this, they would still out EHP the scout and be able to take a counter snipe. And the biggest thing of all you missed, your playing pubs, I can play starter fits and go positive in pubs, doesn't really mean starter fits are balanced. Go play matches were it gets serious, pc matches and see how well you play as a scout. The stupid stuff you can get away with in pubs doesn't work with veterans, and in those matches one death equals one death, so with scouts fragile nature they really need to do a lot with a lot less, but as it stands their utility with that one clone count is not at all comparable to what a medium frame can do with it. While we are not asking to make us assaulting machines or more EHP, we do need a unique role like how Sentinels have heavy weapons which mediums can't touch or copy. That is all that is being asked for. Due it's kinda obvious I would fail in PC using a basic suit...I would fail less if I had core grenades, Proto Nova knives and proto scout. |
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