If you're an older player it's most likely hatred for vehicles in builds past, these new guys have it lucky lol.

I really don't understand. (yes this is a slight rage thread)

I was flying around in a logi ship, i had one gunner, we were kinda doing are thing, getting a few kills here and there, not a massive threat.

I was getting hit by swarms and forges constantly.

To the point where i was useless and so was the av, because i would just be far away in unreachable spots.

They kept all there militia swarms, must have been 4-6 guys running swarms with 2-3 forges. Of course scrubs also got into the rail turrets and continued trying to shoot us down.

But my question is, why try so hard to kill something, that is already not that much of a threat. My gunner might get 10 kills if he's lucky.

15-20 if not a crap ton of av is being used.

Pulling out all this av makes me useless and also 3-6 guys on your team. because just one av person isn't good enough

I really don't understand. (yes this is a slight rage thread)

I was flying around in a logi ship, i had one gunner, we were kinda doing are thing, getting a few kills here and there, not a massive threat.

I was getting hit by swarms and forges constantly.

To the point where i was useless and so was the av, because i would just be far away in unreachable spots.

They kept all there militia swarms, must have been 4-6 guys running swarms with 2-3 forges. Of course scrubs also got into the rail turrets and continued trying to shoot us down.

But my question is, why try so hard to kill something, that is already not that much of a threat. My gunner might get 10 kills if he's lucky.

15-20 if not a crap ton of av is being used.

Pulling out all this av makes me useless and also 3-6 guys on your team. because just one av person isn't good enough

My secondary role is dedicated AV and turret destruction. While I'm doing that I sometimes hack objectives.

Except that I take a different approach to AV.

For example, if I see a dropship pilot flying around wildly not really doing much...I assume that they're new and trying out the dropship for the first time. I'm not going to shoot them out of the sky for 75 wp... I mean they can't earn any wp, and they aren't a threat to me or the team. In fact, I'm actually giving our team the advantage by not destroying them because one of the enemies is up in the air not helping the ground forces.

Now if a tank rolls by and starts shooting at me, if course I'm going to hunt him down until one of us is dead. However, if I spot a tank or a heavily armored dropship that is not targeting me, but is heading towards my team/objective, I'm going to fire a few shots at the guy to give them a warning. If you're stupid enough to think that me shooting at you means that you can go ahead and keep doing what you were doing, then you thought wrong, and you're going to die.

If they run away though, I feel just as satisfied as if I had blown them up. I want to make the vehicle experience fun and challenging for other players without ruining it for them by instantly killing them...

But if you **** me off, oh, you're going to regret it. Dropship with 5 guys heading towards the objective I just hacked? Not happening. Tank obliterating my blueberries? Bye. Annoying LAV driver that just tried to run me over? Goodnight.

Finally, if you're running a tank with a million hp, the best hardeners, and a supercharged blaster, I'm going to take that as a challenge myself. I skilled into this role specifically so that if I wanted to I could take on players like you who think they can roll into a pub match and mow down the red dots. I am the person you hate, the one you fear most of all. You want to run the best gear? Well then I'll give you a run for your money...literally.

+1. I see a vehicle I see red, I do everything in my power to kill it. Sorry its a conditioned response.

A few days ago, I joined a squad of two guys who were looking for a second gunner for their dropship testing.

In one match, at least half the enemy team pulled out swarm launchers (so at least six of them), and fired them ALL at once at us.

It was one of the most beautiful, yet terrifying things I've seen in a match.

Funny enough though, I survived. I found a place in the corner of the map to gather my bearings. It was only a pub Ambush match, and we got rocked. Fun though.

... half the enemy team pulled out swarm launchers (so at least six of them), and fired them ALL at once at us ... survived.

Seldom crash a dropship with proto swarms, even when focusing fire with a squadmate. The best I can do is deny the DS(s) freedom to roam unfettered ... all the while waiting patiently for the enemy to call in something I can actually hit :-)

If you're an older player it's most likely hatred for vehicles in builds past, these new guys have it lucky lol.

[quote=Humble Seeker]

Tanks and dropships in ambush?

Did you say AMBUSH!!!!

Folks that bring four tanks in a simple mode like ambush realy tick me off!!

You better not shoot at me with a vehicle.
Sometimes clones that die like that come back with a heavy suit and a forge gun and jack kitten for bubble gum.

War points. Very simple.

I really don't understand. (yes this is a slight rage thread)

I was flying around in a logi ship, i had one gunner, we were kinda doing are thing, getting a few kills here and there, not a massive threat.

I was getting hit by swarms and forges constantly.

To the point where i was useless and so was the av, because i would just be far away in unreachable spots.

They kept all there militia swarms, must have been 4-6 guys running swarms with 2-3 forges. Of course scrubs also got into the rail turrets and continued trying to shoot us down.

But my question is, why try so hard to kill something, that is already not that much of a threat. My gunner might get 10 kills if he's lucky.

15-20 if not a crap ton of av is being used.

Pulling out all this av makes me useless and also 3-6 guys on your team. because just one av person isn't good enough

I really don't understand. (yes this is a slight rage thread)

I was flying around in a logi ship, i had one gunner, we were kinda doing are thing, getting a few kills here and there, not a massive threat.

I was getting hit by swarms and forges constantly.

To the point where i was useless and so was the av, because i would just be far away in unreachable spots.

They kept all there militia swarms, must have been 4-6 guys running swarms with 2-3 forges. Of course scrubs also got into the rail turrets and continued trying to shoot us down.

But my question is, why try so hard to kill something, that is already not that much of a threat. My gunner might get 10 kills if he's lucky.

15-20 if not a crap ton of av is being used.

Pulling out all this av makes me useless and also 3-6 guys on your team. because just one av person isn't good enough

Its War Points. I hate War Points and yet I still run idiotically towards LAV's chucking AV Grenades hoping for that +75 kill. Or die to a HAV because I think I'm superman and my AV grenades will get me that +150 high.

I hope that CCP removes War Points from Faction Warfare and Planetary Conquest. Keep them for the silly public matches, but WP only causes stupid behavior and limits strategy because people have to max their War Points.

Think about it vehicle users; the reason you die so fast is your in something that's a high WP value. If WP didn't exist people would only try to kill you if you were an actual threat. That would be a huge buff for Dropships. Right now y'all are an easy 150 WP (+50 WP per passenger) pinata in the sky. If WP didn't exist and you were just flying around harmlessly people wouldn't stalk you with Forges / Swarms like they do now. You could actually survive the entire match and transport people!

WP = bad behavior. They make people ignore the objective and run after the LAV because +75 WP > 0 WP for counterhacking. They make people do stupid things like run out and revive people only for both die moments later for that sweet +60 revive WP. They make people tunnel vision into just going after kills, or spamming equipment, or red line sniping to get themselves more WP.

War Points are bad. Take them out and let strategy (and sanity) return.

It greatly troubles me to see the statement that in pub matches killing vehicles is about ISK.. I guess that means in their minds that's and vehicles are just peaceful harmless butterflies that have no effect on the match and us " fowage gunnars and swarmer launchers are just meanies!"

Come on guys, I want to win, I don't want to waste my or my teams suits, I'm going to take you out, WP is a reward for doing my job. ISK damage is the price of trying to steam roll infantry or being steam rolled by vehicles.

Because AV is sooo incredibly easy everyone wants the "Free Warpoints".

I really don't understand. (yes this is a slight rage thread)

I was flying around in a logi ship, i had one gunner, we were kinda doing are thing, getting a few kills here and there, not a massive threat.

I was getting hit by swarms and forges constantly.

To the point where i was useless and so was the av, because i would just be far away in unreachable spots.

They kept all there militia swarms, must have been 4-6 guys running swarms with 2-3 forges. Of course scrubs also got into the rail turrets and continued trying to shoot us down.

But my question is, why try so hard to kill something, that is already not that much of a threat. My gunner might get 10 kills if he's lucky.

15-20 if not a crap ton of av is being used.

Pulling out all this av makes me useless and also 3-6 guys on your team. because just one av person isn't good enough