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OZAROW WarRavens League of Infamy 826	Posted - 2013.10.16 13:15:00 - [1] - Quote Two weeks ago this thing was on point, everything was landing . I had it at proficiency 2 since uprising an couldn't hit a thing with it, few weeks ago people said it was fixed so I pulled it out an I was 2 shotting everything except caldari an heavies, 3 on a heavy in the back an like 5 on a caldari adv wtf ? Ok so whatever caldari take way too many shots to kill, but these past few day I'm hitting guys POINT BLANK IN THE BACK WHILE THEY CALL IN A VEHICLE AN NOTHING! Common ccp did you do another ninja screw up? Starter fits are taking no damage , caldaris don't die an this things back to being crap again
Cosgar ParagonX 6100	Posted - 2013.10.16 13:18:00 - [2] - Quote Just use an AR or SMG like every other scout I've seen. Spare the headache.
OZAROW WarRavens League of Infamy 827	Posted - 2013.10.16 14:14:00 - [3] - Quote Lol Faylock-over nerfed Sg - broken Knives- semi broken Smg- perfect Guess your right I'm running out of options
Ruthless Lee The Eliminators 78	Posted - 2013.10.16 14:45:00 - [4] - Quote Scrambler pistols ...and yeah, I spent a few weeks leveling up my AR, just so I would always have the option to use the one seemingly nerf-proof weapon. It's very, very effective (ahem), but man ... I hate using the thing. So ... boring.
8213 Grade No.2 390	Posted - 2013.10.16 14:56:00 - [5] - Quote Shotgun is broken. You need to have the full Skill Branch maxed out, play with full Proto, full squad with scanner, just to do decent with it. HAVs and Shotgun bugs need the biggest fix in the game. They are pure BROKEN
OZAROW WarRavens League of Infamy 828	Posted - 2013.10.16 14:58:00 - [6] - Quote Ruthless Lee wrote: Scrambler pistols ...and yeah, I spent a few weeks leveling up my AR, just so I would always have the option to use the one seemingly nerf-proof weapon. It's very, very effective (ahem), but man ... I hate using the thing. So ... boring. I'm thinking scramblers, but I just love that sg when it works, which has been two weeks out of 5 months!
Green Living 0uter.Heaven 901	Posted - 2013.10.16 14:59:00 - [7] - Quote I just went proficiency five with the SMG, absolutely shredding now.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster 1190	Posted - 2013.10.16 15:06:00 - [8] - Quote I was using it last night with no problem. But the other day it was not even registering on direct hits, even on uplinks and what not. Seems to change from day to day.
Ruthless Lee The Eliminators 78	Posted - 2013.10.16 15:09:00 - [9] - Quote OZAROW wrote: Ruthless Lee wrote: Scrambler pistols ...and yeah, I spent a few weeks leveling up my AR, just so I would always have the option to use the one seemingly nerf-proof weapon. It's very, very effective (ahem), but man ... I hate using the thing. So ... boring. I'm thinking scramblers, but I just love that sg when it works, which has been two weeks out of 5 months! Yeah, I used to run shotty with my scout all the time, and had some good times with it. Then it just became so unreliable ... I couldn't deal with it anymore. Was costing me too many suits So now I have my Scrambler Pistols at Pro 3 ... and am having a lot of fun with 'em. Pistols are my favorite weapon in the game now, honestly...
Marc Rime Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 191	Posted - 2013.10.16 17:22:00 - [10] - Quote Hard to say if they've screwed up or not since they hardly ever tell us when they tweak things like hit detection, hit boxes or aim assist. Shotgun hit detection is still/again kinda wonky, that much I know.

Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 1530	Posted - 2013.10.16 17:28:00 - [11] - Quote It's a Caldari...I'm not surprised. We are hard to kill but make killing look so easy.
Medic 1879 Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 1139	Posted - 2013.10.16 17:35:00 - [12] - Quote I use shotguns on my speed fits and on my alt and some games I fire get hitmarkers and people die then next game 5-6 hit markers and no damage is done its too inconsistent.
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 564	Posted - 2013.10.16 18:31:00 - [13] - Quote The shotgun also seems to have regressed for me as well. I have a few good games here and there but overall it's missing more than it's hitting. I can't seem to bring it up past ops L1 just because it's so unreliable. The AR seems safe but I'm having a hard time skilling that also.... I like the high alpha damage weapons. The SMG seems to be getting the majority of my SP at the moment, however I've been having some real fun with the militia scrambler pistol so I may just go all-in gunslinger style. That, and I just got 3 extra wolfman's for salvage.... and eventually I'd like to use those. As a scout, what's another handicap after no HP, crap speed, crap passive scanning... hell, why use a light weapon at all? SMG/Pistol? Sure, can't get any worse!
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR The Kaos Legion 149	Posted - 2013.10.16 18:37:00 - [14] - Quote 8213 wrote: Shotgun is broken. You need to have the full Skill Branch maxed out, play with full Proto, full squad with scanner, just to do decent with it. HAVs and Shotgun bugs need the biggest fix in the game. They are pure BROKEN dont forget Nova Knives. to the OP, i know exactly what you mean. i shot a guy 3 times and no health went down yesterday only to be killed by a militia AR from behind. what can you do? ALL HAIL AR 514
taxi bastard S.A.C. Strategic 7	Posted - 2013.10.16 19:22:00 - [15] - Quote I had a battle last night where a scout with speed mods and shotgun was owning everything. think the bastard got my heavy suit 5 times with 2 or 3 shots and when I saw him on my scan it was too late.....he was just too fast. tried chasing him a couple of times but with jumping and weaving he always got away. I don't use the gun, but yea he did not miss unfortunately - and the combo with speed and low profile he was going on great killing sprees.
Ghost Kaisar Pradox One 616	Posted - 2013.10.16 19:30:00 - [16] - Quote taxi bastard wrote: I had a battle last night where a scout with speed mods and shotgun was owning everything. think the bastard got my heavy suit 5 times with 2 or 3 shots and when I saw him on my scan it was too late.....he was just too fast. tried chasing him a couple of times but with jumping and weaving he always got away. I don't use the gun, but yea he did not miss unfortunately - and the combo with speed and low profile he was going on great killing sprees. Heavies are easy to kill with shotties. You don't move fast enough for HD issues. Medium Frames are hell. Somtimes it take me 4-5 shots just to kill them, and you get hit markers for all of them.
Ruthless Lee The Eliminators 82	Posted - 2013.10.16 20:33:00 - [17] - Quote ...and then there's matches like the one I just had, where a scout blasted me through a wall with his militia shotty and killed me. Yeah, it's ... a little unpredictable. I may have just broken my controller, actually... Oh, and Monk ... if you're liking the militia scrambler pistol, just wait til you get a Viziam
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 566	Posted - 2013.10.16 22:39:00 - [18] - Quote Ruthless Lee wrote: ...and then there's matches like the one I just had, where a scout blasted me through a wall with his militia shotty and killed me. Yeah, it's ... a little unpredictable. I may have just broken my controller, actually... Oh, and Monk ... if you're liking the militia scrambler pistol, just wait til you get a Viziam Those proto pistols do look pretty good! And unlike the various versions of the SMG; where the assault SMG is clearly the go-to SMG to have, the various pistol variants look like they would all get some play-time depending on the situation.
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 1814	Posted - 2013.10.16 22:42:00 - [19] - Quote OZAROW wrote: Lol Faylock-over nerfed Sg - broken Knives- semi broken Smg- perfect Guess your right I'm running out of options Oz, May i suggest... The Flaylock pistol is NOT Overnerfed. It just takes more skill to use than before. Afte the BALANCE it got,it become my Main sidearm (to pair with my Laser weaponry) Now , when i run scout i use ADV Assault SMG and ADV Specialist flaylock, both prof 4, with a Cx Sidearm damage mod. You'd be surprised broski...
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 2077	Posted - 2013.10.16 22:44:00 - [20] - Quote 8213 wrote: Shotgun is broken. You need to have the full Skill Branch maxed out, play with full Proto, full squad with scanner, just to do decent with it. HAVs and Shotgun bugs need the biggest fix in the game. They are pure BROKEN I do just fine solo with an advanced shotgun and my dragonfly scout dropsuit with my advanced active scanner. I usually never say this but get good scrub.

itsmellslikefish DIOS EX. Top Men. 353	Posted - 2013.10.16 22:53:00 - [21] - Quote I'm still waiting on md nerf. I want mds to cry.
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 1001	Posted - 2013.10.16 23:12:00 - [22] - Quote I was enamoured with the Shotguns in Chromosome. 1.0 - 1.3 made it impossible to even go positive with one. I try them every time I hear someone saying, "OMG, they fixed them!" and get one or two matches where it works >80% of the time it's triggered. Then, it's instantly SSDD... At this point, I give up on shotties completely. To the point that I want my SP (in shotgun operation & proficiency) refunded. The server system, and rendering, in place do not allow for constant, rapid, actions to take place consistently enough to use this or any other "twitch fire" weapons - reliably.
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR The Kaos Legion 152	Posted - 2013.10.17 11:05:00 - [23] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: 8213 wrote: Shotgun is broken. You need to have the full Skill Branch maxed out, play with full Proto, full squad with scanner, just to do decent with it. HAVs and Shotgun bugs need the biggest fix in the game. They are pure BROKEN I do just fine solo with an advanced shotgun and my dragonfly scout dropsuit with my advanced active scanner. I usually never say this but get good scrub. OZAROW is far from scrub. go troll post in a different thread. just because YOU haven't experienced hit detection bugs yet, doesn't mean everyone else hasn't.
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR The Kaos Legion 152	Posted - 2013.10.17 11:06:00 - [24] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: 8213 wrote: Shotgun is broken. You need to have the full Skill Branch maxed out, play with full Proto, full squad with scanner, just to do decent with it. HAVs and Shotgun bugs need the biggest fix in the game. They are pure BROKEN I do just fine solo with an advanced shotgun and my dragonfly scout dropsuit with my advanced active scanner. I usually never say this but get good scrub. 8213, actually most of the scouts here are far from scrub. go troll post in a different thread. just because YOU haven't experienced hit detection bugs yet, doesn't mean everyone else hasn't.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 711	Posted - 2013.10.17 11:10:00 - [25] - Quote interesting, I run around with dragonfly suit and std shotgun and kill proto dudes just fine... in short, me a casual player playing just a few matches a week can but some self-appointed pro cant
The Eristic Sad Panda Solutions 45	Posted - 2013.10.17 11:51:00 - [26] - Quote Ruthless Lee wrote: ...and then there's matches like the one I just had, where a scout blasted me through a wall with his militia shotty and killed me. Yeah, it's ... a little unpredictable. Had that happen tonight, too. Twice, same guy with Militia Shot, different walls, both times nearly 20m away and both of us backpedaling. Been noticing plenty of weird issues over the past week, laggy and unpredictable hit detection/damage registration issues on both ends of various weapons prime among them. Yesterday, an Exile AR did 1015 damage to my 615hp suit in less than 1 second of my time from 45m away. I've been crunching the numbers and can't figure out how it was possible without some kind of lag involved wherein I was stationary. User was wearing a red Caldari suit, don't know the slot layout on that particular one, but it still seems essentially impossible under normal circumstances. I wish I'd snapped a pic.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 204	Posted - 2013.10.17 11:53:00 - [27] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: interesting, I run around with dragonfly suit and std shotgun and kill proto dudes just fine... in short, me a casual player playing just a few matches a week can but some self-appointed pro cant Well this is still possible with the shotty its just that the shotty is not reliable in one game it serves you well and in the next game it betrays you. I had games where I was hitting a Minni Assault SIX times right in the back with no damage he must have thought it was friendly fire
Ruthless Lee The Eliminators 83	Posted - 2013.10.17 12:33:00 - [28] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: Jack McReady wrote: interesting, I run around with dragonfly suit and std shotgun and kill proto dudes just fine... in short, me a casual player playing just a few matches a week can but some self-appointed pro cant Well this is still possible with the shotty its just that the shotty is not reliable in one game it serves you well and in the next game it betrays you. I had games where I was hitting a Minni Assault SIX times right in the back with no damage he must have thought it was friendly fire ^^^ Exactly this. All the guys saying that if you're having a problem with the shotty then you're a scrub are sort of missing the point, or have just been really fortunate with the thing. Lag and hit detection and any other random shotty bug of the week has nothing to do with skill. Sometimes the gun works for a guy, sometimes it doesn't ... and sometimes it shoots through walls and around corners. And you never know til you're in the match which it's going to be. At least, that's been my experience, and why I moved on. And yeah, Checkmate is right, OZ ... the Flaylock does still work. I never really used it before the changes so I can't compare it to the old pre-nerf Flaylock, but when I want a break from my SP/SMG fit, a lot of times I pick up my Flaylock. Only have it at OP 5 (no Pro), but it's pretty good.
Frank Olson Usul DUST University Ivy League 32	Posted - 2013.10.17 13:17:00 - [29] - Quote Shotgun is working since the last patch. Practive aiming.
Ruthless Lee The Eliminators 83	Posted - 2013.10.17 13:55:00 - [30] - Quote Frank Olson Usul wrote: Shotgun is working since the last patch. Practive aiming. Yeah, you're right. Everyone here is making this stuff up.

Chilled Pill Pro Hic Immortalis 222	Posted - 2013.10.17 15:33:00 - [31] - Quote "No, I use a special weapon....It's called Proto Shotgun by Creodron. It's illegal in nine countries... Yep, it's made with bits of real merc tears, so you know it's good. They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time, it works every time. Well... Let's go see if we can make this little kitty purr."
OZAROW WarRavens League of Infamy 834	Posted - 2013.10.17 19:05:00 - [32] - Quote Yea it's really hard to say when it's gonna work an when it's not, I find that creo, k5 , an crg are the best ones an the duv, but it's a weapon that is imperative that it works everytime especially since your so close, an when it doesn't an some dude in a starter fit gets his only kIll in the whole match on you with his militia gun it's a extremely irritating moment that never should have happened lol Last night I was in a squad of scouts and the squad leader was b!tchen at the other guy saying " kill that guy, Dude get him, what the hells wrong with you kill him" Lol other dudes like " I'm fukkin trying" Even more p!$$3d off squad leader is like " WTF MAN KILL HIM, don't you have a better gun" Dudes like " I'm using a fukkin shotgun , man give me a break" Lmao I ran around playing with a pistol, needless to say the squad broke after that match
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 569	Posted - 2013.10.17 19:13:00 - [33] - Quote Sounds like a fun match..... ^ ugh. I'm glad that some people have better luck with the shotgun because it works when the occasionally play or decide to pick it up, and I'm fine with them thinking I'm a scrub and need to get good. They'll be the first to know when I start to care about their opinions.
OZAROW WarRavens League of Infamy 836	Posted - 2013.10.17 21:02:00 - [34] - Quote It's not easy to use especially when it's so sporadic that you cant teach yourself what your doing wrong with it. I remember in 1.1 standing their dumping a clip into a drop uplink thinking " what a fukking waste of points" Then I left it untill recently, picked it up in 1.4 an had a blast with it, but I find it better to use on a suit that can take some hits just incAse it's being stubborn. I like the alpha kill weapons an all my weapons are proficient, except 3/4 of them work when they want to. It would be nice to make fits that were just as reliable as automatic weapons
Marc Rime Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 192	Posted - 2013.10.17 21:15:00 - [35] - Quote The last few days I tried playing with the two graphics settings at "high" and my shots would hardly ever register. Turned them back to "low" and things got better. Still not good, but better. In a way it was better some time ago. Clear hits didn't always register back then either, but at least this was sometimes compensated by obvious misses registering as hits -- never happens to me now... Actually that might not have been better, but it made me smile when it happened ;).
Dunk Mujunk RestlessSpirits 150	Posted - 2013.10.17 21:26:00 - [36] - Quote I have been getting mowed down by Militia Shotguns over the past week or so. I'm running 2 Enhanced Armor Plates and an Enhanced Shield Extender (Plates and Extenders at 5) and the Militia Shotgun OHKs me at least 3-5 times a night. Not really complaining (ok, kinda lol), i'm sure these guys have a decent amount of SP in Shotguns (I hope), plus when they do kill me it's in super close quarters, my fault for letting the fight get that close. But I don't know if I could say Shotguns aren't working properly. Of course, I only pay attention to what kills me, not what doesn't kill me, and I haven't tried running a Shotgun for a couple months now. All I can say is when it works, that thing really works.
OZAROW WarRavens League of Infamy 839	Posted - 2013.10.18 00:34:00 - [37] - Quote Dunk Mujunk wrote: I have been getting mowed down by Militia Shotguns over the past week or so. I'm running 2 Enhanced Armor Plates and an Enhanced Shield Extender (Plates and Extenders at 5) and the Militia Shotgun OHKs me at least 3-5 times a night. Not really complaining (ok, kinda lol), i'm sure these guys have a decent amount of SP in Shotguns (I hope), plus when they do kill me it's in super close quarters, my fault for letting the fight get that close. But I don't know if I could say Shotguns aren't working properly. Of course, I only pay attention to what kills me, not what doesn't kill me, and I haven't tried running a Shotgun for a couple months now. All I can say is when it works, that thing really works. Yea when it's on it's on, needless to say tho if a shot gunner keeps missing you it's a bad sg day, but it probably varies from person to person that's why so many people think their fine, but dying to them an killing with them are two totally seperate things. I will say this tho if they worked perfect people would say their op, and that's why their in this state because of how good the chrome shotty was
deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 78	Posted - 2013.10.18 00:51:00 - [38] - Quote I've beer seeing a lot of ghost players recently, people flying and walking into walls and of course unkillable,but after about 45 seconds they stop and everyone is working again


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