DUST Search - Laser Rifle Nerf

Rinzler XVII wrote:

After reading all the QQ on these forums about the laser rifle i decided to test it out because everytime I've come up against a Laser Rifle user they've killed me at longish range eg out of my AR's effective distance but when i rush in and get close i destroy them so for me I've never had any issue with them.

What I found is alot of AR users have no idea what they are doing, this isn;t even just new players who can be forgiven for their lack of knowledge on how to fight v a Laser Rifle user, I had guys in proto's using Duvolle's thinking they can kill me (in adv with a militia Laser Rifle) at MY optimal range .. when I came up v someone who knew what they were doing they rushed at me using cover and turned the battle in their favour because now we're fighting at THEIR optimal range and not mine

This post isn;t from someone who doesn;t want their weapon nerfed this is a post from someone who had never used the Laser Rifle til yesterday so my conclusion is that the only people QQ about Laser Rifles are people who don't know how to use their own weapons

Right now I think weapons are perfectly fine but people need to actually learn how to play the game properley eg use cover, work together, pick your fights ..

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Rinzler XVII Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 124	Posted - 2013.10.16 08:51:00 - [1] - Quote After reading all the QQ on these forums about the laser rifle i decided to test it out because everytime I've come up against a Laser Rifle user they've killed me at longish range eg out of my AR's effective distance but when i rush in and get close i destroy them so for me I've never had any issue with them. What I found is alot of AR users have no idea what they are doing, this isn;t even just new players who can be forgiven for their lack of knowledge on how to fight v a Laser Rifle user, I had guys in proto's using Duvolle's thinking they can kill me (in adv with a militia Laser Rifle) at MY optimal range .. when I came up v someone who knew what they were doing they rushed at me using cover and turned the battle in their favour because now we're fighting at THEIR optimal range and not mine This post isn;t from someone who doesn;t want their weapon nerfed this is a post from someone who had never used the Laser Rifle til yesterday so my conclusion is that the only people QQ about Laser Rifles are people who don't know how to use their own weapons Right now I think weapons are perfectly fine but people need to actually learn how to play the game properley eg use cover, work together, pick your fights ..
Kaltos Darksbane KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 49	Posted - 2013.10.16 09:02:00 - [2] - Quote Logic? In the DUST forums?......................HERESY!!! Begone with such outmoded ideas of logic.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3172	Posted - 2013.10.16 09:06:00 - [3] - Quote Kaltos Darksbane wrote: Logic? In the DUST forums?......................HERESY!!! Begone with such outmoded ideas of logic. HERESY!? WHERE? I must stamp it out!
Kaltos Darksbane KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 49	Posted - 2013.10.16 09:11:00 - [4] - Quote This one thinks I should use cover and not have blind faith that my AR will not kill his blasphemous ways if I run straight at him without thought to optimal weapon ranges. SMITE HIM!
Mortedeamor Internal Rebellion 466	Posted - 2013.10.16 09:12:00 - [5] - Quote this i think is pretty widely accepted by laser using veterans..the only issue with lasers involves the viziam. some people just dont take the time to learn how to use something before they qq about it...
Beld Errmon Evocatius 1014	Posted - 2013.10.16 09:13:00 - [6] - Quote I like the laser rifle now and in the past, I both love and hate that its a weapon that requires finesse and tactics, its pretty awesome at long range, but not so awesome that a player with a rifle can't kill you at long range, at short range its completely useless, no other weapon suffers this penalty and i think CCP needs to loosen up on how much the weapons ability drops at medium and short range. Now if the laser rifle had a lot longer range then other weapons in its class the short and medium range penalty would make a lot more sense, but this is not the case.
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 565	Posted - 2013.10.16 09:14:00 - [7] - Quote I was wondering the whole time why people are crying about the AR. They describe situations which I could not follow. Lasers, HMGs and the SCR works very fine. In my hands they are as god as AR. All this weapons have pros and cons.
Mortedeamor Internal Rebellion 466	Posted - 2013.10.16 09:17:00 - [8] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: I like the laser rifle now and in the past, I both love and hate that its a weapon that requires finesse and tactics, its pretty awesome at long range, but not so awesome that a player with a rifle can't kill you at long range, at short range its completely useless, no other weapon suffers this penalty and i think CCP needs to loosen up on how much the weapons ability drops at medium and short range. Now if the laser rifle had a lot longer range then other weapons in its class the short and medium range penalty would make a lot more sense, but this is not the case. slap a proto specced smg on that ***** problem solved
Borne Velvalor BLACK-DRAGON-SOCIETY 703	Posted - 2013.10.16 09:26:00 - [9] - Quote Rinzler XVII wrote: After reading all the QQ on these forums about the laser rifle i decided to test it out because everytime I've come up against a Laser Rifle user they've killed me at longish range eg out of my AR's effective distance but when i rush in and get close i destroy them so for me I've never had any issue with them. What I found is alot of AR users have no idea what they are doing, this isn;t even just new players who can be forgiven for their lack of knowledge on how to fight v a Laser Rifle user, I had guys in proto's using Duvolle's thinking they can kill me (in adv with a militia Laser Rifle) at MY optimal range .. when I came up v someone who knew what they were doing they rushed at me using cover and turned the battle in their favour because now we're fighting at THEIR optimal range and not mine This post isn;t from someone who doesn;t want their weapon nerfed this is a post from someone who had never used the Laser Rifle til yesterday so my conclusion is that the only people QQ about Laser Rifles are people who don't know how to use their own weapons Right now I think weapons are perfectly fine but people need to actually learn how to play the game properley eg use cover, work together, pick your fights .. I main the Laser rifle and just last night was standard stomping with it. I had several games with 15+ kills, 15+ assists and none to a handful of deaths against protogear in standard gear. I'm pretty sure I know how to use it. The Laser rifle has numerous issues that I will, again, reiterate. It does not gain damage at higher tiers, unlike every other weapon type. A Viziam does 280 damage at optimal range per second while a Duvolle does over 460. Of course, the Duvolle will be dealing less at Laser Rifle optimal range just as a Laser Rifle will be dealing less at Assault Rifle optimal range. A Laser Rifle has to heat up to deal damage anywhere near as quickly as an Assault Rifle. If you heat it up on the target, they flee. If you heat it up off the target, they're gone by the time you get them with it unless they are wide out in the open. A Laser Rifle has a 20m optimal span. A few meters too far away from this does one tenth the damage, ten meters too close and you're doing a third less, easily. It's easy to keep someone in Assault Rifle range. Anyone can run for a maximum of a second and a half and be outside of Laser Rifle range and safe. If an Assault Rifle user ducks under cover, the Laser Rifle's damage is reset to squirt gun strength. The Laser Rifle user cannot circle around due to the distance making the circumference of the strafing circle too large. The Laser cannot move forwards or backwards by more than 10m without nerfing their damage. If a Laser Rifle user ducks under cover, the Assault Rifle user can run forward and simultaneously increase their damage and lower the Laser Rifle's. The Laser Rifle could run backwards too, but this forces them out of cover and will result in their death before range can be restored. If a Laser Rifle user faces a Duvolle Tactical Assault Rifle, they could be looking at more than 2 times the DPS potential against them within the Laser's optimal range. The Laser's optimal starts at 65 and the Tactical's ends at 60. The tiny fall off means the Tactical will be doing more damage any way you can possibly slice it. The Duvolle Tactical has a maximum DPS potential of 520 compared to the Laser Rifle's starting 280. Weapons that deal more damage the longer you hold them cannot break even on DPS because other weapons can kill them long before they build up significantly. Despite all this, the Laser is a good weapon. It just doesn't scale well. It needs to get its damage boost back for going proto and a drop off that doesn't make it deal a tenth of optimal damage as soon as you're three meters (half a second of walking for most suits) out of range. It would also be nice to swap the cool down and heat build up skills so that the heat build up is the weapon skill and the cool down is the Amarr Assault bonus. At the end of the day, I use my Laser and have fun with it. With the Assault Rifle, it's easy to plow through people. With the Laser Rifle, if the enemy has a brain and isn't already engaged in combat, it can be hard to get kills. It's frustrating to have the enemy duck into cover for a few seconds and have to lose your damage boost and go back to 2:1 in their favor. It's a pain the butt having to let it cool down while also remembering to reload. It's annoying when some Assault nut rushes you the second you take cover and now you're doing 25% damage. In my experience, you want to be looking out onto an empty field, large stretches of tar or popping snipers before they can move. If there's any cover where you're aiming and the enemy is any good, you can forget it.
Beld Errmon Evocatius 1014	Posted - 2013.10.16 09:37:00 - [10] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: Beld Errmon wrote: I like the laser rifle now and in the past, I both love and hate that its a weapon that requires finesse and tactics, its pretty awesome at long range, but not so awesome that a player with a rifle can't kill you at long range, at short range its completely useless, no other weapon suffers this penalty and i think CCP needs to loosen up on how much the weapons ability drops at medium and short range. Now if the laser rifle had a lot longer range then other weapons in its class the short and medium range penalty would make a lot more sense, but this is not the case. slap a proto specced smg on that ***** problem solved I know I use my SMG a lot, but if I just specced into a proto AR I wouldn't need to use either.

Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2844	Posted - 2013.10.16 09:51:00 - [11] - Quote Agreed, too many people have no clue how the laser rifle works. I love coming across these guys in prototype Caldari suits with duvolles used to simply pointing at wherever the enemy fire is coming from and getting the kill. Like, I'm in my optimal range outside of the AR range, and they just sit there trying to gun me down. They don't even try to find cover and get up close to me.
BrownEye1129 Death In Xcess Corporation 83	Posted - 2013.10.16 10:01:00 - [12] - Quote The LAZER really shines when you have a few squad members built for CQC. Most of the time the reds are busy focusing on the closest target. Once you get a lock with the Lazer it is game over, have got double and triple even quad kills with this tatic. It helps when the reds duck behind cover because their HP is .low and you have CQC guys charge in to clean up. Also it is great for suppressing and flushing the reds out of cover. Think of a Lazer user as a sheep dog. Keeping reds in a herd not letting them flank.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3173	Posted - 2013.10.16 10:03:00 - [13] - Quote BrownEye1129 wrote: The LAZER really shines when you have a few squad members built for CQC. Most of the time the reds are busy focusing on the closest target. Once you get a lock with the Lazer it is game over, have got double and triple even quad kills with this tatic. It helps when the reds duck behind cover because their HP is .low and you have CQC guys charge in to clean up. Also it is great for suppressing and flushing the reds out of cover. Think of a Lazer user as a sheep dog. Keeping reds in a herd not letting them flank. Or think of them as a brick wall. Because they can fulfil that role as well.
Mortedeamor Internal Rebellion 468	Posted - 2013.10.16 10:14:00 - [14] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: Beld Errmon wrote: I like the laser rifle now and in the past, I both love and hate that its a weapon that requires finesse and tactics, its pretty awesome at long range, but not so awesome that a player with a rifle can't kill you at long range, at short range its completely useless, no other weapon suffers this penalty and i think CCP needs to loosen up on how much the weapons ability drops at medium and short range. Now if the laser rifle had a lot longer range then other weapons in its class the short and medium range penalty would make a lot more sense, but this is not the case. slap a proto specced smg on that ***** problem solved I know I use my SMG a lot, but if I just specced into a proto AR I wouldn't need to use either. yeah but i was talking about just to compliment the laser only way you could use ar to compensate for lasers range issues would beona commando the most worthless suit in the game. (only time i ever see a commando he is disappearing after death) i like using the smg to compliment the laser cause ar users tend to run right up to you when your using laser right out of your optimal lr range and thier optimal ar range and into you optimal smg range..generally with shields already taken down..just to catch that smg burst to the face sighs
Mortedeamor Internal Rebellion 468	Posted - 2013.10.16 10:16:00 - [15] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: Beld Errmon wrote: I like the laser rifle now and in the past, I both love and hate that its a weapon that requires finesse and tactics, its pretty awesome at long range, but not so awesome that a player with a rifle can't kill you at long range, at short range its completely useless, no other weapon suffers this penalty and i think CCP needs to loosen up on how much the weapons ability drops at medium and short range. Now if the laser rifle had a lot longer range then other weapons in its class the short and medium range penalty would make a lot more sense, but this is not the case. slap a proto specced smg on that ***** problem solved I know I use my SMG a lot, but if I just specced into a proto AR I wouldn't need to use either. i think ar needs more extreme drop off seems to me the lr has 10x more drop off than ar. both on the outside and the inside of its optimal range
Borne Velvalor BLACK-DRAGON-SOCIETY 704	Posted - 2013.10.16 10:20:00 - [16] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: Beld Errmon wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: Beld Errmon wrote: I like the laser rifle now and in the past, I both love and hate that its a weapon that requires finesse and tactics, its pretty awesome at long range, but not so awesome that a player with a rifle can't kill you at long range, at short range its completely useless, no other weapon suffers this penalty and i think CCP needs to loosen up on how much the weapons ability drops at medium and short range. Now if the laser rifle had a lot longer range then other weapons in its class the short and medium range penalty would make a lot more sense, but this is not the case. slap a proto specced smg on that ***** problem solved I know I use my SMG a lot, but if I just specced into a proto AR I wouldn't need to use either. i think ar needs more extreme drop off seems to me the lr has 10x more drop off than ar. both on the outside and the inside of its optimal range The inside isn't too bad, but dropping from 120% to 12% shield damage in the blast radius of a grenade on the outside is hilarious.
BrownEye1129 Death In Xcess Corporation 83	Posted - 2013.10.16 10:23:00 - [17] - Quote I really want to see a Lazer Officer Version. CCP could even call it BrownEye's Melting Lazer of Untimely Death It would have feedback damage of 2000 with a splash radius of 5m
meri jin Goonfeet Top Men. 566	Posted - 2013.10.16 11:09:00 - [18] - Quote Why is ever buddy comparing their favorite weapons with the Duvolle? The Duvolle is not a general weapon, it is the highest of all AR that you can buy in the marked. Don't compare your Meta 0 crap to a prototype weapon!
Borne Velvalor BLACK-DRAGON-SOCIETY 709	Posted - 2013.10.16 11:14:00 - [19] - Quote meri jin wrote: Why is ever buddy comparing their favorite weapons with the Duvolle? The Duvolle is not a general weapon, it is the highest of all AR that you can buy in the marked. Don't compare your Meta 0 crap to a prototype weapon! Every weapon has tiers. I compared the Viziam to the Duvolle which are the proto weapons of their classes. Not that it matters, since the Viziam does the same damage as a standard LR, which was part of my point.
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 812	Posted - 2013.10.16 11:19:00 - [20] - Quote BrownEye1129 wrote: I really want to see a Lazer Officer Version. CCP could even call it BrownEye's Melting Lazer of Untimely Death It would have feedback damage of 2000 with a splash radius of 5m. Yes it would also damage blue dots. I'd use that weapon on a regular bases.

Borne Velvalor BLACK-DRAGON-SOCIETY 709	Posted - 2013.10.16 11:20:00 - [21] - Quote BrownEye1129 wrote: I really want to see a Lazer Officer Version. CCP could even call it BrownEye's Melting Lazer of Untimely Death It would have feedback damage of 2000 with a splash radius of 5m. Yes it would also damage blue dots. That sounds like fun. Finally, a way to kill reds that flee behind crates.
Tek Hound Death In Xcess Corporation 69	Posted - 2013.10.16 11:25:00 - [22] - Quote Weapons are not balance in this game.Ar user got alot of them nerfed even though the Ar is OP.Ccp caterers to Ar users because they are the majority.Why do you need skill when you have a weapon that requires none,highest ttk, aims for you, little sp investment,no drawbacks and increases your k/d.
Borne Velvalor BLACK-DRAGON-SOCIETY 709	Posted - 2013.10.16 11:27:00 - [23] - Quote Tek Hound wrote: Weapons are not balance in this game.Ar user got alot of them nerfed even though the Ar is OP.Ccp caterers to Ar users because they are the majority.Why do you need skill when you have a weapon that requires none,highest ttk, aims for you, little sp investment,no drawbacks and increases your k/d. If it had the highest TTK I would be pretty happy. Well, maybe I wouldn't. Then everybody would move to Scramblers.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 869	Posted - 2013.10.16 12:28:00 - [24] - Quote meri jin wrote: Why is ever buddy looking at my AR? just since its easy to get 20 or more Duvolle kills ?? leave my IWINZ weapon alone!!
SCAT mania Ancient Exiles 417	Posted - 2013.10.16 12:33:00 - [25] - Quote i still think the laser needs more work. its pros dont equal its cons, cons being the greater. give us more variants too. like an assault laser (like something out of star wars lol), or a charged laser rifle. we'd also all love different types of ammo too like they have in eve for all weapons.
Mortedeamor Internal Rebellion 470	Posted - 2013.10.16 12:56:00 - [26] - Quote Borne Velvalor wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: Beld Errmon wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: Beld Errmon wrote: I like the laser rifle now and in the past, I both love and hate that its a weapon that requires finesse and tactics, its pretty awesome at long range, but not so awesome that a player with a rifle can't kill you at long range, at short range its completely useless, no other weapon suffers this penalty and i think CCP needs to loosen up on how much the weapons ability drops at medium and short range. Now if the laser rifle had a lot longer range then other weapons in its class the short and medium range penalty would make a lot more sense, but this is not the case. slap a proto specced smg on that ***** problem solved I know I use my SMG a lot, but if I just specced into a proto AR I wouldn't need to use either. i think ar needs more extreme drop off seems to me the lr has 10x more drop off than ar. both on the outside and the inside of its optimal range The inside isn't too bad, but dropping from 120% to 12% shield damage in the blast radius of a grenade on the outside is hilarious. one word ccp FALLOFF
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 813	Posted - 2013.10.16 14:11:00 - [27] - Quote SCAT mania wrote: i still think the laser needs more work. its pros dont equal its cons, cons being the greater. give us more variants too. like an assault laser (like something out of star wars lol), or a charged laser rifle. we'd also all love different types of ammo too like they have in eve for all weapons. We do its called a Scranbler Rifle ooooooohhh.....
SCAT mania Ancient Exiles 418	Posted - 2013.10.16 16:10:00 - [28] - Quote My bad then didn't realize the laser rifle and scrambler had the same type of ammo
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 704	Posted - 2013.10.16 16:38:00 - [29] - Quote Rinzler XVII wrote: After reading all the QQ on these forums about the laser rifle i decided to test it out because everytime I've come up against a Laser Rifle user they've killed me at longish range eg out of my AR's effective distance but when i rush in and get close i destroy them so for me I've never had any issue with them. What I found is alot of AR users have no idea what they are doing, this isn;t even just new players who can be forgiven for their lack of knowledge on how to fight v a Laser Rifle user, I had guys in proto's using Duvolle's thinking they can kill me (in adv with a militia Laser Rifle) at MY optimal range .. when I came up v someone who knew what they were doing they rushed at me using cover and turned the battle in their favour because now we're fighting at THEIR optimal range and not mine This post isn;t from someone who doesn;t want their weapon nerfed this is a post from someone who had never used the Laser Rifle til yesterday so my conclusion is that the only people QQ about Laser Rifles are people who don't know how to use their own weapons Right now I think weapons are perfectly fine but people need to actually learn how to play the game properley eg use cover, work together, pick your fights .. well said. play in your optimal range.
Stevez WingYip Operation Wolf Pack 4	Posted - 2013.10.16 17:26:00 - [30] - Quote Rinzler XVII wrote: After reading all the QQ on these forums about the laser rifle i decided to test it out because everytime I've come up against a Laser Rifle user they've killed me at longish range eg out of my AR's effective distance but when i rush in and get close i destroy them so for me I've never had any issue with them. What I found is alot of AR users have no idea what they are doing, this isn;t even just new players who can be forgiven for their lack of knowledge on how to fight v a Laser Rifle user, I had guys in proto's using Duvolle's thinking they can kill me (in adv with a militia Laser Rifle) at MY optimal range .. when I came up v someone who knew what they were doing they rushed at me using cover and turned the battle in their favour because now we're fighting at THEIR optimal range and not mine This post isn;t from someone who doesn;t want their weapon nerfed this is a post from someone who had never used the Laser Rifle til yesterday so my conclusion is that the only people QQ about Laser Rifles are people who don't know how to use their own weapons Right now I think weapons are perfectly fine but people need to actually learn how to play the game properley eg use cover, work together, pick your fights .. Just because your AR doesn't work against it for you doesn't mean it's imbalanced.



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