DUST Search - 1.7 Tanker contact with CCP.

Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

Spkr4theDead wrote:

Meeko Fent wrote:

Sir Dukey wrote:

If a thread is made about abolishing 1.7 and has 30 signatures, 1.7 will be abolished. 1.7 is making tanks a bigger sp sink and nerfing tanks into the groud to a point where they have to retreat to the red line for 2 minutes after 10 seconds of combat. Shame on you CCP, And i better be able to fking one shot infantry cuz you giving us limited ammo, in no fking game in the world do vehicles have limited ammo except those stupid ones. Please-buff tanks not nerf. Nerfing is not the solution. Also to people who are tanker, the turrets are getting a huge nerf. scat blasters now doing 105 dmg instead of 150.1 and on top of that, you only have 480 rounds in which im guessing that you reload after 80.

Sigh, can't wait to QQ before you get the numbers on AV can't you.

Just...

Point out one time CCP has nerfed AV.

Forge Gun Range Nerf - Still hits from 300m, top of towers or rings and can still prevent vehicles access to nearly all the map
Swarm Damage Reduction - 3k per volley is a reduction?
Forge Gun Damage Reduction - Still stronger than every vehicle mounted railgun turret on base stats, breach is about 1k more damage, so no
Forge Gun Splash Reduction - FG still has better splash than a vehicle mounted large railgun
Swarm Launcher Dumbfire removed. - Only because it was hurting AV, FG are doing the same to AV right now but no one seems to be bothered, when it was the vehicle mounted railgun tho everyone QQ until it got nerfed to nothing
Swarm Launcher Full Automatic Firing removed. - 0.3sec relock time, might aswell been auto still since it can spit out 9k damage with 3 volleys in 3secs
Swarm Launcher speed nerf. - Still catches all LAVs, DS are the only ones who can actually escape by flying to the othter end of the mpa
Forge Gun Damage Nerf - Still stronger than every vehicle mounted railgun turret on base stats, breach is about 1k more damage, so no
Swarm Launcher Damage Nerf - 9k damage from 3 volleys, stronger than a large vehicle mounted missile launcher and fires more missiles, so no
Turret Installation AI dumbed down - installation lock onto you automatically even if no one is in it and will shoot at you until you are behind cover or dead, so no
Turret Installation HP massive nerf - It has about 6k in health
Turret repairer removed. - Because that was so OP
Nerfed AV grenade Land Mines - The AV nades wasnt working as intended, AV mines were but no one used them because AV nades were bugged and were better and still are
Massively increased cluster consumption of grenades and AV weapons. - Really? my K2 nanos i can sit on and spam nades, same at the depot as well so no
Nerfed Nanohive clusters - Thats a nerf to all ammo so not a nerf to AV but a standard nerf to everything which uses ammo
Light Poles nerfed. - Nope, can still do 3k damage to you
Collision Model Changes - Collision to what? i can smack a shield tank with an armor tank and pop it


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Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1374	Posted - 2013.10.16 12:36:00 - [1] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: If a thread is made about abolishing 1.7 and has 30 signatures, 1.7 will be abolished. 1.7 is making tanks a bigger sp sink and nerfing tanks into the groud to a point where they have to retreat to the red line for 2 minutes after 10 seconds of combat. Shame on you CCP, And i better be able to fking one shot infantry cuz you giving us limited ammo, in no fking game in the world do vehicles have limited ammo except those stupid ones. Please-buff tanks not nerf. Nerfing is not the solution. Also to people who are tanker, the turrets are getting a huge nerf. scat blasters now doing 105 dmg instead of 150.1 and on top of that, you only have 480 rounds in which im guessing that you reload after 80. Sigh, can't wait to QQ before you get the numbers on AV can't you. Just... Point out one time CCP has nerfed AV. Forge Gun Range Nerf - Still hits from 300m, top of towers or rings and can still prevent vehicles access to nearly all the map Swarm Damage Reduction - 3k per volley is a reduction? Forge Gun Damage Reduction - Still stronger than every vehicle mounted railgun turret on base stats, breach is about 1k more damage, so no Forge Gun Splash Reduction - FG still has better splash than a vehicle mounted large railgun Swarm Launcher Dumbfire removed. - Only because it was hurting AV, FG are doing the same to AV right now but no one seems to be bothered, when it was the vehicle mounted railgun tho everyone QQ until it got nerfed to nothing Swarm Launcher Full Automatic Firing removed. - 0.3sec relock time, might aswell been auto still since it can spit out 9k damage with 3 volleys in 3secs Swarm Launcher speed nerf. - Still catches all LAVs, DS are the only ones who can actually escape by flying to the othter end of the mpa Forge Gun Damage Nerf - Still stronger than every vehicle mounted railgun turret on base stats, breach is about 1k more damage, so no Swarm Launcher Damage Nerf - 9k damage from 3 volleys, stronger than a large vehicle mounted missile launcher and fires more missiles, so no Turret Installation AI dumbed down - installation lock onto you automatically even if no one is in it and will shoot at you until you are behind cover or dead, so no Turret Installation HP massive nerf - It has about 6k in health Turret repairer removed. - Because that was so OP Nerfed AV grenade Land Mines - The AV nades wasnt working as intended, AV mines were but no one used them because AV nades were bugged and were better and still are Massively increased cluster consumption of grenades and AV weapons. - Really? my K2 nanos i can sit on and spam nades, same at the depot as well so no Nerfed Nanohive clusters - Thats a nerf to all ammo so not a nerf to AV but a standard nerf to everything which uses ammo Light Poles nerfed. - Nope, can still do 3k damage to you Collision Model Changes - Collision to what? i can smack a shield tank with an armor tank and pop it So nerfs to AV you were saying? No more like buffs You forgot the reduced lock time for swarms, the reduced relock time for swarms, the reduced reloading speed for swarms and that was 1.4 AV still have proto AV vs a basic tank with basic mods and your trying to say AV has been nerfed?
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1381	Posted - 2013.10.16 15:21:00 - [2] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Forge Gun Range Nerf - Still hits from 300m, top of towers or rings and can still prevent vehicles access to nearly all the map Swarm Damage Reduction - 3k per volley is a reduction? Forge Gun Damage Reduction - Still stronger than every vehicle mounted railgun turret on base stats, breach is about 1k more damage, so no Forge Gun Splash Reduction - FG still has better splash than a vehicle mounted large railgun Swarm Launcher Dumbfire removed. - Only because it was hurting AV, FG are doing the same to AV right now but no one seems to be bothered, when it was the vehicle mounted railgun tho everyone QQ until it got nerfed to nothing Swarm Launcher Full Automatic Firing removed. - 0.3sec relock time, might aswell been auto still since it can spit out 9k damage with 3 volleys in 3secs Swarm Launcher speed nerf. - Still catches all LAVs, DS are the only ones who can actually escape by flying to the othter end of the mpa Forge Gun Damage Nerf - Still stronger than every vehicle mounted railgun turret on base stats, breach is about 1k more damage, so no Swarm Launcher Damage Nerf - 9k damage from 3 volleys, stronger than a large vehicle mounted missile launcher and fires more missiles, so no Turret Installation AI dumbed down - installation lock onto you automatically even if no one is in it and will shoot at you until you are behind cover or dead, so no Turret Installation HP massive nerf - It has about 6k in health Turret repairer removed. - Because that was so OP Nerfed AV grenade Land Mines - The AV nades wasnt working as intended, AV mines were but no one used them because AV nades were bugged and were better and still are Massively increased cluster consumption of grenades and AV weapons. - Really? my K2 nanos i can sit on and spam nades, same at the depot as well so no Nerfed Nanohive clusters - Thats a nerf to all ammo so not a nerf to AV but a standard nerf to everything which uses ammo Light Poles nerfed. - Nope, can still do 3k damage to you Collision Model Changes - Collision to what? i can smack a shield tank with an armor tank and pop it So nerfs to AV you were saying? No more like buffs You forgot the reduced lock time for swarms, the reduced relock time for swarms, the reduced reloading speed for swarms and that was 1.4 AV still have proto AV vs a basic tank with basic mods and your trying to say AV has been nerfed? 1. You could not refute all the points made out 2. this list was very incomplete. 3. It sounds like you don't have any horror stories of getting nailed by theses AV before they got nerfed. 4. the logic used is poor, I can declare HAVs never got nerfed and apply the same tact in return I countered all your points You say nerfs but they are still infact better than a large turret which needs a vehicle to work and also are alot cheaper ISK wise The list was incomplete because you made it so, whos fault is that? Back in the day HAVs and other vehicles were really good to use, to solo one took some doing but to make the job easier and kill it required teamwork and also AV was alot more expensive and players prefered to tryhard with an AR because it was easier and AV was harder, but also the best counter to a tank was another tank The logic is fine, you are just changing the goalposts yet again like you did in that proto thread you made, you can try and say HAVs never got nerfed but a loss of skills/mods/vehicles and changing of skill descriptions to something less useful such as no bonus or it being an SP sink you cannot counter against - These are facts