If a thread is made about abolishing 1.7 and has 30 signatures, 1.7 will be abolished. 1.7 is making tanks a bigger sp sink and nerfing tanks into the groud to a point where they have to retreat to the red line for 2 minutes after 10 seconds of combat. Shame on you CCP, And i better be able to fking one shot infantry cuz you giving us limited ammo, in no fking game in the world do vehicles have limited ammo except those stupid ones. Please-buff tanks not nerf. Nerfing is not the solution. Also to people who are tanker, the turrets are getting a huge nerf. scat blasters now doing 105 dmg instead of 150.1 and on top of that, you only have 480 rounds in which im guessing that you reload after 80.

1) oh so CCP is compensating for how pathetic these vehicles will be?
2)https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=93873
how much feedback did they take from this? give me a break dude
3) list one time CCP nerfed AV
4) just another nerf and better yet turrets remain bogged down by horrible hit detection

CCP cannot balance what isn't there to balance. We are missing two full racial lines, all modules meta level 4 and higher, advanced and proto hulls. I don't give a damn about your spreadsheet, when all that was needed was a little bit of listening on CCP's part. The fact the CPM members like yourself can't seem to wrap your heads around the bigger picture of this game is frightening.

What part of the absurd cool down times and ammo problems do you not understand. Is it fun to have to retreat every 60 seconds?

Where are active heat syncs?
Speed mods?
Remote Repairs?
Why are shield tanks the same speed as armor tanks?
Why are both tanks now 33%? slower than our current lolenforcers?

If CCP would sit down and talk with some vehicle pilots he might actually get it.

Sorry for ranting, but CCP and all of its lapdogs are in way over their heads.

AV has never and i mean NEVER been nerfed no need to get real results...

Because then ANYBODY can be AV
Herp-a-Derp.

because they were fighting a 50 ton vehicle with hardeners and repps on that are more powerful than a dropsuit module. tell me how a single guy throwing AV nades at me killing me in 3 seconds is balanced.

You have military experience? Or are we just talking out our ass here?

Since you're attempting to compare actual tanks with Dust tanks, here ya go:

Reactive Armor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUVnNk0aJBE
Trophy Active Protective System: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=na29pFmoBzk
Smoke Screens: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjlJi4l0cBs

Oh yeah, and here's a tank navigating bumpy terrain without taking massive hull damage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eypmJ9gskDk


I can keep going...

Point out one time CCP has nerfed AV.

Makes no sense... In "real life" a crafty combat engineer like myself would just strap a bunch of forge guns to the front of the tank instead of garbage missiles. They take a fraction of the PG and CPU and pump out as much damage as a large rail turret.

Stop comparing **** to real life. Real tanks don't blow up with a number reaches zero.

My point was about pricing in Dust. In general, the ratios are just way too far off but making them realistic would make tanks the equivalent of titans in EVE, except that a frigate can't kill a titan at full health in a few shots. I do think though that AV needs to cost somewhere between tanks and rifles (at least twice that of rifles)

More Countermeasures:

ECM Jamming Devices counter remote detonated explosives: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VcD_0L6NQg

Physical/explosive activation systems counter landmines and other pressure detonated explosives: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGbI9OeZo90

If only they could disappear past 200 meters because of draw distance. (or lack therof)



I'd entertain the "real life" comparison if this game had any physics going for it - but it doesn't.

CCP needs to stop tweaking and fix the fundamentals. Hit detection, draw distance, frame rates in games with lots of equipment, etc... We're getting regurgitated material instead of actual new content. I know this patch is going to be terrible - simply because its patching something that isn't broken. Some changes to a few core skills could solve all of this and all of that manpower could be solving these other game-breaking issues.

Seriously, I'm done beating a dead horse.

I love how you think you're arguing against me, but you're really arguing my point for me.

Dust has none of this fun, high-tech equipment you expect to come with the battlefield of the future. Such is my point... All of the equipment that you and I just mentioned exists now, on the modern battlefield. Yet we don't even have the simplest of countermeasures (smoke) even though (according to you) it's been around for 1000 years.

So we're fighting in a universe where ships travel the stars, yet modern combat technology trumps everything we have access to on the ground. You just helped me prove that point, and for that, I thank you.

Ummm... what?



Do you even tank? You seem to have no idea what you're talking about.

Forge Gun Range Nerf - Still hits from 300m, top of towers or rings and can still prevent vehicles access to nearly all the map
Swarm Damage Reduction - 3k per volley is a reduction?
Forge Gun Damage Reduction - Still stronger than every vehicle mounted railgun turret on base stats, breach is about 1k more damage, so no
Forge Gun Splash Reduction - FG still has better splash than a vehicle mounted large railgun
Swarm Launcher Dumbfire removed. - Only because it was hurting AV, FG are doing the same to AV right now but no one seems to be bothered, when it was the vehicle mounted railgun tho everyone QQ until it got nerfed to nothing
Swarm Launcher Full Automatic Firing removed. - 0.3sec relock time, might aswell been auto still since it can spit out 9k damage with 3 volleys in 3secs
Swarm Launcher speed nerf. - Still catches all LAVs, DS are the only ones who can actually escape by flying to the othter end of the mpa
Forge Gun Damage Nerf - Still stronger than every vehicle mounted railgun turret on base stats, breach is about 1k more damage, so no
Swarm Launcher Damage Nerf - 9k damage from 3 volleys, stronger than a large vehicle mounted missile launcher and fires more missiles, so no
Turret Installation AI dumbed down - installation lock onto you automatically even if no one is in it and will shoot at you until you are behind cover or dead, so no
Turret Installation HP massive nerf - It has about 6k in health
Turret repairer removed. - Because that was so OP
Nerfed AV grenade Land Mines - The AV nades wasnt working as intended, AV mines were but no one used them because AV nades were bugged and were better and still are
Massively increased cluster consumption of grenades and AV weapons. - Really? my K2 nanos i can sit on and spam nades, same at the depot as well so no
Nerfed Nanohive clusters - Thats a nerf to all ammo so not a nerf to AV but a standard nerf to everything which uses ammo
Light Poles nerfed. - Nope, can still do 3k damage to you
Collision Model Changes - Collision to what? i can smack a shield tank with an armor tank and pop it

So nerfs to AV you were saying?

No more like buffs

You forgot the reduced lock time for swarms, the reduced relock time for swarms, the reduced reloading speed for swarms and that was 1.4

AV still have proto AV vs a basic tank with basic mods and your trying to say AV has been nerfed?